Re: Got some test results part 2

[Guest guest]

I getcha. You're not a confrontational type person and telling the

doctor, who supposedly should know this stuff, is intimidating.

Nevertheless, it's YOUR body that's going to suffer from high BGs, not

his.

His parameters are DEFINITELY too high.

Tell him you want your BGs down to non-diabetic levels so you won't get

complications and you want to start right now. Tell him you've done

your research and can't lower your carb intake because of your kidney

problems and this also precludes most pills.

Tell him youi're willing to take insulin (he may die of shock) and would

appreciate it if he would write a prescription for UL and Humalog (my

own personal preference).. He may not feel comfortable with this but

tell him you'll have some excellent support and instruction.

Then we'll help you all we can, Patti.

I haven't read all my emails and you may have sent one saying you want

those articles on type 2 and early insulin therapy. I'm going to send

them to you anyway. Print 'em out, read 'em yourself, show 'em to your

doctor.

And please let us know what happens.

Vicki, LADA type 1 diagnosed 1997, UL and Humalog insulin and lotsa

testing, no complications.

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Got some test results part 2

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>

> I'm just more confused as ever..I know that 7.5 isn't bad but it

> indicates that something is going on within my body.

> My GP wanted me to maintain a blood sugar between 146 and 164 I

> think that is still too high.

> My doctor must not be up to date on diabetes and tests etc.

> I'm just confused about this matter and feel totally lost in what to

> say or do to this doctor.

> I don't want to come across to my doctor a know it all. But its my

> body and health that is in question here.

> I go and see him tomorrow and I need some advice on how to take and

> talk to me doctor about this.

> Please Help wiht any advice or encouragement.

> Patti aka patti_cakes70

>

[Guest guest]

Vickie

No I'm not an confrontational person I guess I accept the doctor at

his word so to speak I guess that is the learned response.

I have researched the American Diabetes Associations Standrards of

diagnosing Diabetes and the American Association of Diabetic

Educators, The American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists,

all of these indicate that I have type 2 and that medical

intervention is needed to help me control my high BS's.

I called the American Diabetes Associations 1-800 number and talked

about this same subject one thing she mentioned that in order to be

confirmed of diabetes is the ORAL Glucose tolerence test where you

drink glucose rich beverage.

The only tests I had is the Fasting Blood Sugar and that was 168 and

the A1c test of 7.5

Do I need the Oral Gluscose tolerence Test too since my other tests

show type 2?

You see why I'M CONFUSED I want to go armed to the teeth when I see

my doctor tomorrow.

Any ADDITIONAL help and information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Patti

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Patti_Cakes70

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> The only tests I had is the Fasting Blood Sugar and that

was 168 and

> the A1c test of 7.5

> Do I need the Oral Gluscose tolerence Test too since my

other tests

> show type 2?

I'm not a doctor, but your fasting blood sugars are high

enough for a formal diagnosis according to the ADA website,

so I do not see why an OGTT is needed in your case.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Patti,

Tell your doctor that you have read a lot of research that states that those

numbers still

pose too significant of a risk for future complications (especially as you are

currently

experiencing complications!) The ADA, which has very lax guidelines as far as

most of are

concerned, says /below 7.0/ which seems to be what he's going by. A 7.0

translates to an

average glucose of 172. The TOP of the range that most would recommend as a GOOD

Hba1C is an average of 143 (Hba1C of 6.3). My mom's endo wants her below 6.

If you're willing to do what it takes to get where you need to be, TELL your

doctor.

DEMAND to go to an endo who specializes in diabetes, who is up to date on the

latest

research, and who is going to give you the tools you need -- be it insulin or a

prescription

for 250 or so test strips a month if that's what it takes for you to get your

blood sugar in

control and keep it there.

SulaBlue

>

> I'm just more confused as ever..I know that 7.5 isn't bad but it

> indicates that something is going on within my body.

> My GP wanted me to maintain a blood sugar between 146 and 164 I

> think that is still too high.

> My doctor must not be up to date on diabetes and tests etc.

> I'm just confused about this matter and feel totally lost in what to

> say or do to this doctor.

> I don't want to come across to my doctor a know it all. But its my

> body and health that is in question here.

> I go and see him tomorrow and I need some advice on how to take and

> talk to me doctor about this.

> Please Help wiht any advice or encouragement.

> Patti aka patti_cakes70

[Guest guest]

A lot of doctors don't do the oral glucose tolerance test these days. My opinion

is... why

bother? If I've got an Hba1C of 7.5, which is WAY ABOVE NORMAL, that states that

my

blood sugar *constantly* stays above normal, why would I want to go jacking my

blood

sugars up even HIGHER above their already high levels, just so I can have the

doc say " Well

gee, your blood glucose is higher than it should be. "

I didn't have this test. When I went in, without fasting, my BS was at 230 or

so. My Hba1C

was 9.6. My triglycerides were elevated signifcantly. There's also a family

history of

diabetes in my case. The test would have merely been stating the obvious.

SulaBlue

> I called the American Diabetes Associations 1-800 number and talked

> about this same subject one thing she mentioned that in order to be

> confirmed of diabetes is the ORAL Glucose tolerence test where you

> drink glucose rich beverage.

> The only tests I had is the Fasting Blood Sugar and that was 168 and

> the A1c test of 7.5

> Do I need the Oral Gluscose tolerence Test too since my other tests

> show type 2?

> You see why I'M CONFUSED I want to go armed to the teeth when I see

> my doctor tomorrow.

> Any ADDITIONAL help and information will be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks

> Patti

[Guest guest]

No, you don't need a glucose tolerance test, Patti. That would be

redundant, a waste of time and money.

Although the ADA is considered to be the ultimate authority on diabetes

care by most medical professionals and most laypeople, they sure don't

have MY respect. How can I respect any organization that states their

purpose is to help diabetics then keeps promulgating a high carb / high

GI diet, when it's obvious that high GI carbohydrates in the diabetic

body cause BGs to go way up?

Carbohydrates are NOT an essential nutrient.

I think you'll get better information on this list.

Vicki

Re: Got some test results part 2

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>

>

> Vickie

> No I'm not an confrontational person I guess I accept the doctor at

> his word so to speak I guess that is the learned response.

> I have researched the American Diabetes Associations Standrards of

> diagnosing Diabetes and the American Association of Diabetic

> Educators, The American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists,

> all of these indicate that I have type 2 and that medical

> intervention is needed to help me control my high BS's.

> I called the American Diabetes Associations 1-800 number and talked

> about this same subject one thing she mentioned that in order to be

> confirmed of diabetes is the ORAL Glucose tolerence test where you

> drink glucose rich beverage.

> The only tests I had is the Fasting Blood Sugar and that was 168 and

> the A1c test of 7.5

> Do I need the Oral Gluscose tolerence Test too since my other tests

> show type 2?

> You see why I'M CONFUSED I want to go armed to the teeth when I see

> my doctor tomorrow.

> Any ADDITIONAL help and information will be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks

> Patti

>

[Guest guest]

Well, they are *AN* essential nutrient, but yeah... way overstressed in the food

pyramid.

Remember, the brain functions mostly on glucose, more than any other organ. A

mind is a

terrible thing to starve

SulaBlue

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> Carbohydrates are NOT an essential nutrient.

>

> I think you'll get better information on this list.

That, I will agree with 100%

> Vicki

[Guest guest]

Patti,

If having an oral test is going to make *you* assured of the

diagnosis, then go for it. I was dx'd in 1997, accidentally as I was

in to my doctor for other reasons but complained about some things

that finally alerted her.

I did a fasting test the next day (what I now know is an A1c) and I

was dx'd as a full-blown diabetic (if you want to call it that) with

a fasting of 126 and an A1C of 6.5. There was no hand-wringing by

the doctor or Kaiser as to whether or not I was a diabtic.

I was brought in for a visit a couple of weeks later to get a meter

etc etc. They did a stick in her office and I was at something like

185 or so after lunch.

Subsequently, a nurse said .. well, you know you could probably

fight this diagnosis since you are right on the borderline with the

numbers. And exactly what would that do for me I asked her? Would it

mean I wasn't diabetic if the dx is changed??

If I am out of control for a prolonger period of time, I am quite

capable of fastings in the 300+ area and pp's of 500+. I would say

that makes me a diabetic.

Suzz, t2, dx97, d & e only

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> about this same subject one thing she mentioned that in order to

be

> confirmed of diabetes is the ORAL Glucose tolerence test where you

> drink glucose rich beverage.

> The only tests I had is the Fasting Blood Sugar and that was 168

and

> the A1c test of 7.5

> Do I need the Oral Gluscose tolerence Test too since my other

tests

> show type 2?