Re: Re: The low down on ferritin

[Guest guest]

well, the research I am finding now on my transferrin and ferritin shows that

low ferritin and high transferrin indicate iron poor anemia.

Re: Re: The low down on ferritin

Hers tells me that her transportation system is in working order, but it may

not have many passengers (maybe doesn't eat red meat? or is in a chronically

hypothyroid state or another chronic illness). I can't remember what your

ferritin was, but if you are/were taking in a lot of iron, it might have

made up for the transport problem, I don't know.

[Guest guest]

boy that group of levels are curious before the Armour.

Re: Re: The low down on ferritin

Test Date prior to Armour 6/3/03

TIBC was 321 Range 240-450

Iron was 175H Range 30-160

% Saturation 55H Range 20-50

Ferritin 18 Range 11-307

TSH 2.08 Range 0.40-4.20

Curious?

[Guest guest]

Jamy,

Could you be having any type of bleeding inside? Like ulcers or whatever? (Are

your stools black?)

I saw somewhere that low ferritin can be from internal bleeding.

in Va.

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Hi Jamy,

I can understand your concern. Probably you shouldn't bother too

much for the low transferrin, since if your ferritin is low as

well ..... because, what sense does it make for an empty train to go

from A to B?

But I agree you have a serious condition. Do you get the B12 in

shots also? Your body might deal with that better. B12-deficiency

gives liver-trouble as well.

May I ask how much Armour you take? And do you add T4 as well?

I'm really curious to know!

Margreet.

[Guest guest]

it doesn't make sense to me either. Low ferritin with high transferrin is the

determination of iron deficient anemia. In the dozens of studies I have looked

at, aside from Leukemia and cirrhosis, there is never low ferritin, low

transferrin and low to low normal iron. Maybe you can find what I am missing.

It doesn't seem to have flagged my DR.

Re: Re: The low down on ferritin

> well, I can shed a bit of light on this I think. Many undertreated thyroid

people have severe absorption issues. Even with heavy menstruation, a normal

diet will bring the ferritin levels up. Maybe not through the roof, but most

assuredly over 2 or up to the low normal levels. When I am looking at the

ferritin issue and like I am looking a lot because I have something I

can't find anywhere, it seems many people once they get their thyroid med

levels up and bring the ferritin levels up with iron, that then they can

live a normal life without constant iron replacement. Now if Pam is on this

list, she will like this, the only variant seems to be that people that eat

any sugar or flour seem to continue to have an absorption issue, thus need

iron. I intend to ask Janie now that she is back if she ever eats any bread,

cake, sugar etc., because I know she is a person that still needs to take

iron. Now ask me what research from experts on this, none. This is from

watching many !

> of us on the boards and then asking for their habits to see if what I am

seeing for me is true for most.

> Now I knew someone who's horse at pica which was a vitamin deficiency so

it would eat the fence, etc. I will bet I get some response on this.

> While I am at it, I have found nothing on my condition. My ferritin was

20, but my transferrin or tibc was below the scale. Now for most anemia if

the ferritin is low the transferrin is elevated or visa versa. My iron was

low normal as well. Has anyone found anything on low ferritin and low

transferrin at the same time that iron was not elevated?

[Guest guest]

Hi, Margreet,

Yes, there's often alot of tweaking and twisting.

Yes, dark circles under the eyes, I've always heard is an adrenal sign or at

least a sign

of allergies, which is related to the adrenals as well. Check out www.drrind.com

in case

you haven't already. He has a chart of adrenal & thyroid symptoms. In fact, I

think it might

be in the files here too.

When I was a teenager, I was eating alot of salt. I had vasel-vagal episodes

(this is fainting

from low blood volume). The last time it happened was my wedding day, which was

a

couple of months after I started on thyroid medication. So I think strengthening

my thyroid

strengthened my adrenals. At least enough to prevent these episodes. It could be

just a

coincidence that I " outgrew " it at that time. I do feel there's a relationship

between the

thyroid and adrenals.

Let us know what your doctor decides!

in Va.

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Hi ,

> Are you taking Armour? Do you feel you are still adjusting it? <

Yes, take 3 & 1/4 grain Armour for almost 6 months now. When I upped

to 3 & 1/2 I thought that that was my right dose, since I finally

lost weight and got beautyfull skin. But 2 weeks after the increase,

my heartbeat went up to 92 bpm. So I went back to 3 & 1/4. Then I

had to cut on the 3 1/4 also and for two weeks I took 3 grains only.

And then ofcourse, I got depressed, gained weight and felt cold.

So I raised again to 3 & 1/4 grain, and had that for a month.

Didn't feel balanced still.

I realised I might have problems with the high T 3, so exactly 14

days ago I added Levoxyl 0.025. My mum noticed today that I have

lost weight. But now I have chestpain. So I will now reduce it to

0.12,5.

Its tweaking and twisting, isn't it.

Thank you very much for your information. I have printed it, so i

can look over it again later. I love these personal advices by the

way. I wish you were my doc!

>I've always heard the adrenals should be first.<

I would like to share with you, that I had dark circels under my

eyes when I switched to Armour 8 months ago. It lasted for one month.

With my last increase two weaks ago, the dark circels appeared again!

Now, this is an adrenal sign right? Today my eyes were brighter.

> You can order a test that will check your estradiol, progesterone,

testosterone, cortisol and DHEA-S all at once. However, the test I

had only checked the cortisol and DHEA-S one time, in the morning.

There are tests that give you a better picture that tests the

cortisol four times a day. I would think that would be a good

starting place. (Anyone else? What do you think?) I would think

you'd get your regular doctor to test your parathyroids, so you

could go ahead and do that any time. Might be a good

thing to do and put your mind at ease. Then test your progesterone,

estradiol, testosterone. (However, you might find a way to test

these hormones all at once and then begin by treating the adrenals

if needed, then add in the other hormones. Don't forget the women's

international pharmacy might be helpful to you. You can go to their

website and order their free packet. I don't know if I helped you or

not.<

> Don't know if I left anything out.<

I guess it's enough for a start! .....

I'll hand out your comments to my doctor. I'll see him in August.

And contemplate a little more on it myself.

Thank You!!!

Margreet.

[Guest guest]

I have seen that most DR's are prescribing too low a dose of iron. Slow-fe

and Florasil irons did nothing for me. I needed the 325 mg 3x a day to

absorb anything. That is 65 mg of elemental oron 3x a day. We had raised my

thyroid meds to compensate. The problem is one I was feeling better, I

stopped the iron. I was supposed to take it 1 x a day and I think I was

taking it only 1x every few days otr maybe a week. I felt cold again, hair

falling out etc. I am taking it 3x a dya for one week then I will slow to

one every day without fail. I have added 12.5 mg of Synthyroid since I have

some.

>

>Reply-To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>To: NaturalThyroidHormones

>Subject: Re: The low down on ferritin

>Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2004 06:17:13 -0000

>

[Guest guest]

I am feeling badly because I was not taking any iron again I think

Re: The low down on ferritin

Hi Jamy,

I'm wondering if it is better for you to quit on iron suppletion

competely. I'm saying this since it doesn't seem to help you anyway.

It might be the opposit. If you take the iron 3 times a day, it will

ABSOLUTELY interfere with your capacity to absorb the thyroid meds.

Therefore you might be chronically undertreated, in my opinion.

Margreet.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/4/2004 4:22:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@...

writes:

> I'm beginning to ge hysterically entertained by the medical profession,

> instead of getting so angry.

I will be glad to get hysterical about it...unfortunately I'm still on the

angry phase. And I know folks think I'm egotiscal as heck when I tell them

I know volumes more about the thyroid than their own doctor...but it is

true...I'd bet my Armour on it.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

Margreet,

Can you tell me the name of this natural medicine?

Lynda (in the UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: myrazon2000

I bought a natural med for my chestpain and it performs wonders!!!

Pain and strong beat are gone. Amazing!

[Guest guest]

I'm beginning to ge hysterically entertained by the medical profession,

instead of getting so angry. It helps my adrenals destress, if I can look

at it another whole way. Here we are, paying these people so much money,

and quite frankly, any one of us knows more, at least on this sbjct. I

think we've already earned our doctorate!

Re: The low down on ferritin

> Ok , if you love it.....

> Shall I hunt for ignorant doctors first?

>

> Margreet ;-))

>

>

> > Hahahahahaha!!! I love it. You have made me smile for the day.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Amen! I saw my husband's nephew recently who has psoriatic arthritis like my

husband and he was amazed that I

knew about the mouth sores they get with the disease because he said the doctors

don't even know that!

in Va.

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I'm beginning to ge hysterically entertained by the medical profession,

instead of getting so angry. It helps my adrenals destress, if I can look

at it another whole way. Here we are, paying these people so much money,

and quite frankly, any one of us knows more, at least on this sbjct. I

think we've already earned our doctorate!

[Guest guest]

Same here. And I think it's pathetic when we know more than endocrinologists!

But we do!

in Va.

In a message dated 7/4/2004 4:22:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, marin@...

writes:

> I'm beginning to ge hysterically entertained by the medical profession,

> instead of getting so angry.

I will be glad to get hysterical about it...unfortunately I'm still on the

angry phase. And I know folks think I'm egotiscal as heck when I tell

them

I know volumes more about the thyroid than their own doctor...but it is

true...I'd bet my Armour on it.

Cindi

[Guest guest]

what are you taking it for? We call it Hawthorne here

Re: The low down on ferritin

Hi ,

It's a homeopathic med called Crataegus. Half an hour after I take

15 to 20 drops in a small glass of water, I feel that I'm calming

down, and a feeling of relaxation around the heartmuscle. I'm taking

it for the 3th day now. It's really a miracle med!

http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Heart/heart_homeopathy-heart-

disease.htm

Margreet.

> Margreet,

>

> Can you tell me the name of this natural medicine?

> Lynda (in the UK)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: myrazon2000

>

> I bought a natural med for my chestpain and it performs

wonders!!!

> Pain and strong beat are gone. Amazing!

>

>

>

>