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Since I was on a PPO...my insurance covered me at 70% after meeting the

deductible amount that they had set. This particular doctor liked to use

certain labs for bloodwork so that was also covered at 70% since they were

not on my plan. I did go to another doctor who was not on my plan either, but

in that case I had blood work done at the local hospital which was totally

covered. They were on my health plan. In the case of any doctor who is not a

provider, you have to pay the whole amount up front and get reimbursed from

your insurance company. For surgery or things like that-I believe that the

hospital covers you fully if they are a provider. Of course, the doctor bills

seperately as well as the anesthesia person.

If you don't involve your insurance company, you pay all out of pocket.

Did I answer all your questions. Please...let me know if I need to explain

better!!!!

Lynn

In a message dated 04/20/2001 12:20:14 PM Central Daylight Time,

Vaccinations writes:

<< So help me understand how this worked- you paid the doc out of pocket and

then billed your own insurnce company? So in other words the doc didn't

deal with the insurance at all, that was your choice/responsibility? Also

curious- if the doc ordered tests or recommended a hospital stay, could you

bill your insurance for that or did you have to pay out of pocket? Also did

the doc have an affiliation with a hospital/ med center or was he/she just

on their own somehow? I'm so curious how this works. I suppose you also had

the choice whether or not to involve your insurance company at all? >>

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Lynn-

Thanks so much for the info- I appreciate all the details! I think I've

got the picture: The doc never deals with the insurance company, you do.

Is that right?

~Kelli

Re: Digest Number 1586

> ,

> Since I was on a PPO...my insurance covered me at 70% after meeting the

> deductible amount that they had set. This particular doctor liked to use

> certain labs for bloodwork so that was also covered at 70% since they were

> not on my plan. I did go to another doctor who was not on my plan either,

but

> in that case I had blood work done at the local hospital which was totally

> covered. They were on my health plan. In the case of any doctor who is not

a

> provider, you have to pay the whole amount up front and get reimbursed

from

> your insurance company. For surgery or things like that-I believe that the

> hospital covers you fully if they are a provider. Of course, the doctor

bills

> seperately as well as the anesthesia person.

>

> If you don't involve your insurance company, you pay all out of pocket.

>

> Did I answer all your questions. Please...let me know if I need to explain

> better!!!!

> Lynn

>

>

>

> In a message dated 04/20/2001 12:20:14 PM Central Daylight Time,

> Vaccinations writes:

>

> << So help me understand how this worked- you paid the doc out of pocket

and

> then billed your own insurnce company? So in other words the doc didn't

> deal with the insurance at all, that was your choice/responsibility?

Also

> curious- if the doc ordered tests or recommended a hospital stay, could

you

> bill your insurance for that or did you have to pay out of pocket? Also

did

> the doc have an affiliation with a hospital/ med center or was he/she

just

> on their own somehow? I'm so curious how this works. I suppose you also

had

> the choice whether or not to involve your insurance company at all? >>

>

>

>

>

>

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From: " conniehache " <jhache@...>

> Here's another site that might help with your insurance issues.

(snip)

> http://www.insure.com/health/claimdenial.html

Connie,

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The Game. "

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<<Enzymes can help with fibro. I can send you some information and

studies on it, if you like. Metals may be connected or they may not

be. It is one of the vague issues there isn't a definite answer to.>>

I would love some info, thank you. I already gave her the No-Fenol from

Houston's, because she can't eat hardly any kind of veggie/fruit without

having a stomach reaction or breaking out in a rash. She hasn't tried them

yet, though.

Sorry if I'm posting too much " metal " talk here! I will get on the mercury

board and give it a shot, maybe when it calms down. I don't even have a

child with autism! I got into this info accidentally, read Seroussi's book

b/c I used to teach special ed and try to keep up. So many things were

issues my kids and I are dealing with, i.e. vaccine reactions, food

allergies, dairy problems, etc. that I feel we're on the right track with

all the autism interventions, and frankly, no one else seems to have nearly

the good info you all do. So thanks!

BTW, our family has been cf for two years. Peptizide seems to be doing the

trick for dairy for one son, not so much for me and other son. Any

suggestions on which enzyme to give for corn allergies?

; ) M

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  • 10 months later...

I know that you could have a vagal nerve response from holding your

breath and pressing down, and if somebody pressed on my eyes, I

probably would hold my breath!

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Dec 8, 2003, at 6:54 AM, Jeni wrote:

> Does anyone have any knowledge of a vagal nerve response elicited

> from an

> EEG tech pressing on the child's eyes? Thanks. Jeni

>

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Don:

ANY product can be assayed to determine it's components and each components

weight.... this should be part of quality control function so that a producer

knows that there will be standardization between batches of a product.

A gallon of Aloe Vera juice plus a quart of liquid minerals from WalMart

would have about the same ingredients. And cost less than $20.00.

As I recently related in this group, my son used to have early morning

seizures regularly. It turned out that changing the TIME he took one of his

AEDs

eliminated those seizures. Something that simple resolved something that

critical.

mjh

In a message dated 8/29/2004 7:35:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:51:12 -0600 (Central Standard Time)

From: " Don Vance " <dvance@...>

Subject: exact amounts not given like man made pill vitamins

Hey thanks for your post! We will most definitely report (post)

our results of usage pertaining to stopping his seizures in the early am.

As for reasons why the exact amounts of each vitamin and minerals are not

given is because they are not synthetic or man made but instead all natural

so the exact amounts cannot be given! This is a good thing, not bad.

Together, with Aloe Vera, black cherry, honey and an exclusive blend of 9

sea vegetables, you get over 120 vital essential nutrients per ounce:

74 minerals

23 vitamins

3 essential fatty acids

21 amino acids

7 enzymes and nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen

Body Balance even provides you with dietary fiber.

Because Body Balance is 98% absorbed within a matter of minutes, compared to

pills at10-20% absorption it saves your body energy on digestion. Many

people don't realize that digestion sucks up more energy than any other

system in the body. One other point is kids do not like pills! Lastly,

figuring out what combination of pills to take is difficult and confusing.

For example, if you take vitamin E, you need zinc. But if you take zinc,

you need copper and vitamin C in a certain balance for the zinc to be

effective. Being able to take everything in a liquid form that is already

balanced for you just makes more sense!

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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In a message dated 8/29/2004 7:35:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:38:03 -0000

From: " mamamurdock " <kmurd45480@...>

Subject: Re: Onset of Seizures at age 19

Hi Arnold!

Thanks for your reply. Yes, there were several changes leading up to

my son's first seizure. He went to college last August, although his

first seizure didn't occur until December 20th (which we thought was

a febrile seizure.) He returned to school and finished out his

second semester and didn't have another seizure until July 5th! Then

2 in August. I'm sure his diet was terrible while away at school,

but why no seizures there? He is 6'5 " tall, and I believe he is

still " maturing. " His beard is coming in, and he has " filled out "

more. We've started him on LifeForece's Body Balance and Osteo

ProCare, along with " trying " to encourage a healthier diet. He is

attending college locally so we (at least me, mom, feels better.)

So, with making these changes to his diet, do you think that means

his seizures will stop? This is so confusing and frustrating!

Thanks for your input. God Bless!

..

..>>> Get him the book " THe Epilepsy Workbook " by Donna s.

mjh

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Mjh! WARNING

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-- exact amounts not given like man made pill vitamins

Hey thanks for your post! We will most definitely report (post)

our results of usage pertaining to stopping his seizures in the early am.

As for reasons why the exact amounts of each vitamin and minerals are not

given is because they are not synthetic or man made but instead all natural

so the exact amounts cannot be given! This is a good thing, not bad.

Together, with Aloe Vera, black cherry, honey and an exclusive blend of 9

sea vegetables, you get over 120 vital essential nutrients per ounce:

74 minerals

23 vitamins

3 essential fatty acids

21 amino acids

7 enzymes and nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen

Body Balance even provides you with dietary fiber.

Because Body Balance is 98% absorbed within a matter of minutes, compared to

pills at10-20% absorption it saves your body energy on digestion. Many

people don't realize that digestion sucks up more energy than any other

system in the body. One other point is kids do not like pills! Lastly,

figuring out what combination of pills to take is difficult and confusing.

For example, if you take vitamin E, you need zinc. But if you take zinc,

you need copper and vitamin C in a certain balance for the zinc to be

effective. Being able to take everything in a liquid form that is already

balanced for you just makes more sense!

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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Mjh! My other reply to taking a gallon of aloe vera and dumping in your

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" My husband, Roy, is 91 years old. For the last two years he has been going

downhill. I noticed subtle changes in his facial appearance, his hands were

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For one month Roy took 1.5 ounces of Body Balance every morning after

breakfast. I am happy to report that Roy's health has dramatically improved

since he started taking Body Balance.

Within 2 weeks he started doing push-ups, after not having done them for two

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Date: 08/29/04 06:07:32

Subject: Re: [ ] Digest Number 1586

Don:

ANY product can be assayed to determine it's components and each components

weight.... this should be part of quality control function so that a

producer

knows that there will be standardization between batches of a product.

A gallon of Aloe Vera juice plus a quart of liquid minerals from WalMart

would have about the same ingredients. And cost less than $20.00.

As I recently related in this group, my son used to have early morning

seizures regularly. It turned out that changing the TIME he took one of his

AEDs

eliminated those seizures. Something that simple resolved something that

critical.

mjh

In a message dated 8/29/2004 7:35:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:51:12 -0600 (Central Standard Time)

From: " Don Vance " <dvance@...>

Subject: exact amounts not given like man made pill vitamins

Hey thanks for your post! We will most definitely report (post)

our results of usage pertaining to stopping his seizures in the early am.

As for reasons why the exact amounts of each vitamin and minerals are not

given is because they are not synthetic or man made but instead all natural

so the exact amounts cannot be given! This is a good thing, not bad.

Together, with Aloe Vera, black cherry, honey and an exclusive blend of 9

sea vegetables, you get over 120 vital essential nutrients per ounce:

74 minerals

23 vitamins

3 essential fatty acids

21 amino acids

7 enzymes and nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen

Body Balance even provides you with dietary fiber.

Because Body Balance is 98% absorbed within a matter of minutes, compared to

pills at10-20% absorption it saves your body energy on digestion. Many

people don't realize that digestion sucks up more energy than any other

system in the body. One other point is kids do not like pills! Lastly,

figuring out what combination of pills to take is difficult and confusing.

For example, if you take vitamin E, you need zinc. But if you take zinc,

you need copper and vitamin C in a certain balance for the zinc to be

effective. Being able to take everything in a liquid form that is already

balanced for you just makes more sense!

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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george, nice to 'hear' your voice and know you are well! you came in to my thoughts as dennis kimambo (nakuru) was here for a couple of weeks.i'd like to bounce some ideas off you about the making of mobiles (http://mixedmedia.us/mobiles/) as a means for youth development. from my experience among youths at a dump in senegal, i have a hunch the basic construction materials needed would be available (wire) and i might be able to provide some ideas about the rest... where can i learn more about the specifics of your entrepreneurship programs? i will also try and connect you with ENDA (http://www.enda.sn/english/urban.htm) in Senegal, which has some great microenterprise activities for youth.also, i couldn't access your site via the link in your signature, but found that the following worked: http://www.sidarec.org - is it correct?very best regards,lars -----Lars Hasselblad www.mixedmedia.us + www.peacetiles.net802-563-2757 On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:03 AM, AIDS treatments wrote: Re: Good Morning all?..Chota for ourcampaing/siasa that make sense ALWAYS!Dear Wams and wanakenya wote.It is great joy that though we are in electioneering mode/mood,we still spare time to think about how our kids are going tospend the holiday. Life does not need to stop with election. Goodwork Wams and the rest.Warms regards to all. OnyangoProject AdministratorSlums Information Development & Resource Centres(SIDAREC)P.O.BOX 9687 00300TEL.+254-20-246961/247356MOBILE:+254-721986320NAIROBI,KENYA.E-mail:georgesidarec (DOT) or.keWebsite: www.sidarec.or.ke <http://www.sidarec.or.ke>Skype: george.onyango

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