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I've found that potatoes don't really bother me at all... last night I took a

reading only a couple of hours after eating (probably something I shouldn't

have!) and then ate a small meal including french fries... 2 hours after that,

my BGL had actually gone DOWN 2 points (208 to 206). Later that night it was

120.

So I think different results for different people, but on the whole the quantity

of food you eat (GL) is far more important that the GI.

Dawn

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No, Dawn..a couple of hours after eating is actually a good time to

check your BGs. You don't really know where your peak is, so at least

for a while, it might be good to test 1 and 2 hours after and make a

good note of where t he peak seemed to be.

The drop from 208 to 206 is meaningless. There's a 20% allowable

difference in meter readings and it's extremely rare for 2 readings in

a row to be identical even if you take another test immediately after

the first using the same drop of blood.

Also, 208 is way higher than you should be aiming for. I believe the

guidelines suggest no higher than 140 2 hours after eating. This is, of

course, if your goal is to avoid complications.

(And I assume it is).

The thing about fried foods is that the fat makes the peak stay up

longer, so for instance, with a high GI carb such as potato, the peak

would rise pretty quickly -- sort of like a mountain -- then go down

pretty quickly too. OTOH, with fat added, the action graph would look

more like a plateau -- up then staying at that level for quite a few

hours, then down again. For most diabetics, pizza is the word offender

in this area.

Vicki

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> I've found that potatoes don't really bother me at all... last night I

took a reading only a couple of hours after eating (probably something I

shouldn't have!) and then ate a small meal including french fries... 2

hours after that, my BGL had actually gone DOWN 2 points (208 to 206).

Later that night it was 120.

>

> So I think different results for different people, but on the whole

the quantity of food you eat (GL) is far more important that the GI.

>

> Dawn

>

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> I've found that potatoes don't

> really bother me at all...

Nor me! According to Dr. Mercola, I

am a " carbohydrate type " and you

might well be, too, Dawn. There really

does seem to be some truth behind his

notion of " metabolic types " .

As far as the GI for potatoes is

concerned, the subject is not at all

clear. The table distinguishes between

instant mashed potato (GI=85+/-3),

boiled potato (GI=56-101) and baked

potato (GI=85+/-12) but it is well

known that apart from the cooking

method, the value is influenced

by the type of potato, the size of

the potato from which the test sample

was taken, how ripe it is and whether

the skin is included or not.

Part of the problem is that the

carbohydrate content of the potato

varies so widely. You can find

values between 14.2% and 20.1% so

that to get the 50g CH test sample

you would need between 352g and 250g

of potato - a difference of about

30%!

For us in Germany the problem is

increased because the potato type

used to get the values in the table

did not include most of the types of

potato sold here.

In my opinion, the biggest argument

against using the GI as a guide to

healthy food is, of course, that the

fried potato chip (undeniably a very

unhealthy food) has a much lower GI

than the boiled potato (which contains

a large number of nutrients and is

definitely a healthy food).

> ... last night I took a reading only

> a couple of hours after eating

> (probably something I shouldn't have!)

> and then ate a small meal including

> french fries... 2 hours after that, my

> BGL had actually gone DOWN 2 points

> (208 to 206).

There you are then! French fries, apart

from being a nutrionally " unhealthy "

food, have a medium to low GI (45)

whereas a nutritionally " healthier "

alternative like a boiled potato has a

GI of around 98!

> So I think different results for

> different people, but on the whole

> the quantity of food you eat (GL)

> is far more important that the GI.

And I reckon that eating a varied and

nutritionally balanced diet is more

important than both of them! Remember

that your BG meter does not tell you

one thing about how nutritionally

healthy the food is that you are

eating. It is best to find a balance

between controlling blood glucose

elevation and getting an adequate

nutrition. Eating french fries is not

the usually recommended way to go!

Regards

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Anyone who is seriously interested in using the GI?GL data should go direct

to the web site http://www.glycemicindex.com It has the correct figures and

also has two charts for foods tested and added in the last 6 months or a

year. Mendosa was gven permission to upload the data some time back and

like the books is inevitably out of date. The figures given in recent

postings here are not the figures in the books by Jennie Brand et al

or on their website.

Less than a month after I was diagnosed in March 2001 I have been using the

Glycemic Index - and later when it was published - the Glycemic Load as a

guide to my food choices. I buy very little in the way of fast food -

packaged or as a takeaway. As Jennie Brand et al say in their books,

there are several other factors that have to be considered in creating meal

plans not the least of which is whether you want to lose weight. This in

turn means you have to engage in counting calories (or kilojoules), directly

or indirectly. As part of calculating the Glycemic Load of a food item one

needs to know the amount of available carbohydrate in the portion - so you

have to read the label or weigh the item. There are several other factors

that affect the GL of a particular meal - and it takes time to learn and

adapt to a new WOE. Certainly I am very pleased with my efforts and I have

taught several other people how I use the GI/GL to help manage my diabetes.

Glycemic Load = Glycemic Index times the available carbohydrate (gms) over

100.

Many of us don't eat potatoes - especially fries because (of the fat/oil)

and that they raise our BGs too much - but if one is keen to eat potatoes

there are several principles outlined in Jennie Brand et al's books.

They have shown that the GI is lower if the potato is boiled with the skin

on. It is higher if you cut it very small and overboil it. etc.

For foods not tested so far I find it very easy to use guess how much of an

untested food I should try - and then weigh it. Then I take my BG before I

eat it and one hour and two hours after. Once I am satisfied the food fits

in with my repertoire I add it to other ingredients and test the effect of

adding it to meals I have previously tested, and again check my BG before

and after.

Bea

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