Re: Weight Loss

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>My physician says

>that I will just have to accept that

>I am going to have to pay close

>attention to it until the end of my

>days but I still have a hope that I

>can get back into automatic mode

>some day, somehow

I think that is the mind set of most dieters. We want to go back! I could

eat monstrous amount of foods in my twenties and thirties, but not in my late

40's and 50's. So unless I can roll back the clock, I am going to have to face

the fact that a low calorie (as well as low carb since DH is diabetic) is a

fact of life for me. And for most of those that have EVER gained weight!

Janet

This life is a test. If it had been an actual life, you would have

received further instructions on where to go and what to do. "

An Ancient Proverb

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In a message dated 9/25/04 2:03:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Glory3331@... writes:

Some succeed. Can't succeed if you quit trying. G

If a doctor recommended a treatment to you that failed 90% of the time over

the course of the next 5 years, and if he kept recommending it over and over

every time he saw you and saw that the treatment had failed you again, would you

think that good medicine?

Some also succeed at becoming professional baseball players. I'd love to be

a professional baseball player, but there are a couple of issues... very few

succeed, I'm 41, I'm female, I had rotator cuff surger this year, and I'm fat.

Should I keep trying?

Having a goal that's realistic and achievable is quite different from just

wanting something. Most fat people want to be thin. Why aren't they thin? No

will power? Lazy? Stupid? Sorry, I don't buy it. I'd hazard a guess that

most fat people have worked very hard to get thin - have tried all kinds of

programs and plans over the years, yet they're still fat. Many have

accomplished

termendous things in their lives - lots of education, great careers, raising

children, etc., but they still can't accomplish this one other thing - weight

loss. Why is that?

I am all for people working hard to acheive and keep good health and mobility

- whether fat, thin, young, or old. What I see as a wasteful of my resources

is an unrealistic and most probably futile focus on weight loss as the goal.

Health goals are great. All the studies show that good eating habits and

exercise are the cornerstones of good health, regardless of weight, independant

of weight. That's the focus that I have, and the one I promote. Success in

those areas is measurable by better health, better sleep, more energy, etc.

Some people who are diagnosed with diabetes who begin eating lower carb and

more healthfully and who start exercising do lose some weight. Some don't.

Some gain, like me. But that doesn't mean the health goals aren't being met,

and those are the goals that matter.

Stacey

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In a message dated 9/26/04 9:23:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

up_away@... writes:

>

>last I was in america i was shocked to c the number of fat people !!! it

>seems a awful thing to notice about a country since the rest of my holiday

>there was great.

>>>>>>>>>

What was it about seeing so many fat people that made that part of your visit

less than great? Are you disgusted by fat people? Did we scare you? Did

you think it was catching?

Stacey

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In a message dated 9/26/04 11:50:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

letoile@... writes:

>

>If you exercise, you will be stronger, and in the long run, even though you

may be heavier >than you should be, strong is good!

>>>>>>>

I never said anything against good health and exercise. I'm all for them. But

good health/fitness and fatness are not mutally exclusive. Health cannot be

measured by size. I cry for all those fat children who are being told they're

not good enough, they're ugly, they're unhealthy, they're sick. I feel the

pain of what it's like to grow up that way, since that was me.

Sure, kids need better food and more exercise, but they all need it - not

just fat kids. Fat and thin are so much more related to genetics than anyone

wants to give them credit for. The morality play against fat in this country

sickens me as we poison another generation with the fat is bad mentality.

There are plenty of thin people who eat badly and don't exercise at all. I

am quite fat. I kayak, I swim, I hike, I walk dogs, I clean, I show houses, I

golf, I go to a gym 5 days a week. I eat better than most everyone I know in

real life. But I am still, shockingly, fat. My great great grandmother, who

came here from Germany in the 1870s was quite fat, like me. She single

handedly ran a large laundry business and raised 6 children after divorcing a

philandering husband. She was quite strong and lived to be almost 100. My

mother,

not quite as fat as me, is 73 and in excellent health. Her mother, more pudgy

than fat, lived to be 80 but had a damaged heart from childhood.

What disappoints me is someone saying that all the other parts of a trip to

the US were great except for all those fat people. We're here, and we're

evidence of the thrifty gene in action - we store fat easily and quickly in

preparation for the next famine - we mostly come from peasant stock from various

parts of the world - and now that our evolutionary superiority is no longer

required (few famines in the US these days), we're derided, pictured as gross

and

lazy and too dumb to lose weight, as if being thin is some sign of moral

superiority. And heaven forbid if you've stopped trying to lose weight. Then

you've

given up. I say that by stopping the focus on weight loss, you are giving in

to having a good life, focusing on the things you can do to make your life

better - good eating habits, exercise, thoughtfulness, without those voices

constantly saying you're not good enough, whether the voice is internal or

external.

Stacey

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hi carole what is your size now?

i went up to 18 then went down to 12 now 10 now am stuch at 12 (british 14)

i want to be 10-12

its important to me but these last 10-15 lbs are just yo-yo-ng up down. I

guess big or small is relativeand does not reflect on the person as a whole.

last I was in america i was shocked to c the number of fat people !!! it

seems a awful thing to notice about a country since the rest of my holiday

there was great. but for people who come from abroad(europe etc) american

restraunt helpings, supermarkets all gear towards large appetites. so no

wonder the best intentioned end up gaining.

making my own portion sizes smaller is hard because a bit more is always

tempting. yes if you are healthy size doesn't matter but its difficult to be

healthy with extra weight on the scales! cheeky

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Aw c'mon ! I as a overweight, Type 2 diabetic, find the amount of grossly

overweight fat people (especially children) pretty shocking. If you really take

a good look around, its kind of a pathetic thing to see so many unhealthy

looking people. I worry about children today, who eat far too much junky food

and get exercise by watching tv or playing with the computer. Lets face it,

people who are very overweight don't exercise because it wears them out. I walk

my dogs two to three miles a day, and while the weight doesn't just fall off me,

I am stronger and firmer.

If you exercise, you will be stronger, and in the long run, even though you may

be heavier than you should be, strong is good!

Jo in Minnesota

Re: weight loss

In a message dated 9/26/04 9:23:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

up_away@... writes:

>

>last I was in america i was shocked to c the number of fat people !!! it

>seems a awful thing to notice about a country since the rest of my holiday

>there was great.

>>>>>>>>>

What was it about seeing so many fat people that made that part of your visit

less than great? Are you disgusted by fat people? Did we scare you? Did

you think it was catching?

Stacey

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One time while I was working and walking home from work, a skinny fairly short

man came

up to me from the other direction and gave me the " you would be so whatever if

you lost

all that weight " speech. Well, I am usually calm and nice but I lit into him and

sent

him on his way in a hurry, LOL!!! Right after work was not a good time to acost

me with

those kind of insults.

ml

Kore wrote:

>

> >a man from Scotland made mention of us all eating too much and being so

hefty<

>

> It amazes me how ready people are to insult fat people. " Political

correctness "

> now protects many groups who used to be the butt of jokes a short while ago,

> but it's still seems to be okay to badmouth us.

>

> When will we be seen as human beings?

>

> Grrrrrrr, Dianne

>

>

>

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I have really, reallyt curly hair and let me tell you, my whole

childhood and adolescence was spent desperatly wishing for long straight

blond hair ...and BOOBS.

(I would've been very fashionable in the '20s!)

It stopped bothering me at some point a buncha years ago.

It was nice when curly hair came into style. And at my age I can

definitely see the advantage of being flat-chested, smile.

Vicki, happily accepting the way I look now.

Re: weight loss

> I often wonder what life would be for me without the constant weight

> concerns and for all of my life. I would like to do life being thin

with

> softly curling hair...... Those are the things that have made life

> harder for me. Small things to be sure but pesky and constant. Of

course

> I had the big problems too. G

>

> ml wrote:

>

> >One time while I was working and walking home from work, a skinny

fairly short man came

> >up to me from the other direction and gave me the " you would be so

whatever if you lost

> >all that weight " speech. Well, I am usually calm and nice but I lit

into him and sent

> >him on his way in a hurry, LOL!!! Right after work was not a good

time to acost me with

> >those kind of insults.

> >ml

> >

> >Kore wrote:

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> I agree.. American portions are very large

I think any discussion of weight problems has to understand that there are

(at least) two different kinds of weight problems:

1. A person with a relatively normal metabolism who simply eats too much and

doesn't exercise enough and will become overweight. This type of person can

easily lose weight by eating less and exercising more.

2. A person with an abnormal metabolism who puts on weight with normal

portion sizes even with supernormal exercise habits. This is the type of

person who is apt to be at great risk of diabetes, and this is the type of

person who is harmed by all the publicity about " controlling portion sizes. "

Studies have shown that the percentage of overweight people today is about

the same as it's always been. The difference is that those who are

overweight are more overweight (and hence more noticeable) than they used to

be, probably because of the unhealthy American lifestyle. But despite the

unhealthy American lifestyle, a lot of people are *not* overweight. This

tells us that genes are just as important as lifestyle.

BTW, another physical aspect that it seems OK for people to make jokes about

is baldness. You'd never say to a friend, " My but you've become wrinkled and

saggy. " But it seems OK to say, " Getting a bit thin on top, aren't you? "

Gretchen

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that was very well put gretchen.

please write more often . i belong to your second group who eats measured

amount excercise daily and atcrazy levels yet lose sparingly.

my own sister barely excercises just cuts down on 'white' food and bam she's

come down a dress size! recently my brother lost 45lbs on the south beach

diet only, no excecise. so i guess i will always be putting in a happy

appearance in the gym, throwing away the bun in Mcdonalds yet be the

heaviest looking person. Being type 1 doesn't help either.

Vicki i know you always say u stay within your weight parameters how do u do

it? cheeky

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Well obviously I belong to the first type with a somewhat " normal "

metabolism. Problem is tho, that I can gain just as easily as I lose.

A few extra calories & boom back come a few lbs. Right now I am fairly

stable but it takes constant vigilance believe me.

My son who at 47 has had 3 heart attacks due to a genetic cholesterol

problem passed on by his father, also loses or gains at the drop of a

hat. He lost about 80 lbs in about 4/5 months after his last stent

surgery. Only vigilance & constant working-out is keeping it off as he

has a horrendous appetite. At least now they have meds to help this

genetic condition, my father-in-law died at 53 from it & my ex at 48.

BTW neither was heavy, both fit looking & my ex was a military man who

played strenuous handball twice a week.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...

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Well, first of all, I'm not type 2 and that helps...also genetically no

overweight people in my family. (Those are probably the 2 biggest

things)...

I weigh out all my food (when I eat at home) and I do watch portion

size. I execise regularly.

I've never eaten at Mc's or other similar fast food places, never

wanted to. No junk food and I don't eat between meals either -- it

messes up my insulin dosing and since I have to dose for everything,

it's easier for me to not eat between meals than do more calculations.

Vicki, who hates doing math...

Re: weight loss

> that was very well put gretchen.

> please write more often . i belong to your second group who eats

measured

> amount excercise daily and atcrazy levels yet lose sparingly.

>

> my own sister barely excercises just cuts down on 'white' food and bam

she's

> come down a dress size! recently my brother lost 45lbs on the south

beach

> diet only, no excecise. so i guess i will always be putting in a happy

> appearance in the gym, throwing away the bun in Mcdonalds yet be the

> heaviest looking person. Being type 1 doesn't help either.

>

> Vicki i know you always say u stay within your weight parameters how

do u do

> it? cheeky

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: I will look for it next time I'm at the library but I AM

eating " normally " & have been all along.

Since I never actually dieted & simply began eating the way I should to

control my dm, I decided that wherever I ended up weight-wise would be

ok by me.

Now I do wish I had ended up at about 20 or 25 less lbs but to do that I

WOULD have to " diet " & I know that I could never keep it up/maintain

that much of a struggle. With a bit of vigilance & self-control I can

manage my current way of eating fairly easily so I will have to be

satisfied with a size 14/16 on my five foot small frame. Not wonderful

but acceptable to me.

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

cappie@...

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Perhaps it has something to do with being bigger than that,

myself, but I would *LOVE* to be a size 14/16! I suspect the best

I'll be able to get to is a 16/18/20-ish. But that's OK -- so long as I

can fix this sagging belly! (I've got that overhanging 'metabolic

syndrome belly' - UGH).

Personally, when I look at other women around me, I find the

ideal shape to be a pear. I think there's a certain 'Earth Goddess'

quality to that shape, maybe, that I find beautiful (sorta like

Boticelli's Birth of Aphrodite) I wouldn't mind wide hips -- but I

have no butt! If I could move half my belly to the back, I'd be happy

even where I'm at right now *ROFL*

SulaBlue

> Now I do wish I had ended up at about 20 or 25 less lbs but to

do that I

> WOULD have to " diet " & I know that I could never keep it

up/maintain

> that much of a struggle. With a bit of vigilance & self-control I

can

> manage my current way of eating fairly easily so I will have to

be

> satisfied with a size 14/16 on my five foot small frame. Not

wonderful

> but acceptable to me.

>

>

> cappie

> Greater Boston Area

> T-2 10/02 6/04 A1c: 4.3

> Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

> ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

> ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

> fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

> Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

> 8/04: 25 to go/135 lbs gone / 5' / 66 yrs

> cappie@w...

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SulaBlue: According to the analysis at thedibeticdiet site I shd weigh

between 107 & 113 HAH! Never happen--even in high school I weighed

115.

I am ONLY 5 feet tall & have very small bones. Absolutely ridiculous

bird legs & thighs, ok hips, thick diabetic belly & waist, ok bust &

huge sagging upper arms.

These are not bat wings I am talking about these are VULTURE wings.

Losing half my self did NOT do away with all of my belly--it only gave

me a drooping pannus (apron) instead. My doc (I've had her for over 20

yrs so it's ok) said if I could only find someone to donate the approx

15 lbs of excess skin/flab to I'd be all set! LOLOL

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

9/04:145 lbs (highest weight 309) 5'/age 66

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

Since I never actually dieted & simply began eating the way

I should to

control my dm, I decided that wherever I ended up

weight-wise would be

ok by me.

Cappie,

I made the same decision, but I keep hoping that the weight

will go down, and it actually has, slowly but surely.

Now I do wish I had ended up at about 20 or 25 less lbs but

to do that I

WOULD have to " diet " & I know that I could never keep it

up/maintain

that much of a struggle. With a bit of vigilance &

self-control I can

manage my current way of eating fairly easily so I will have

to be

satisfied with a size 14/16 on my five foot small frame.

Not wonderful

but acceptable to me.

I feel the same way.... I wear a size 16 and have for some

time, but the 16 is a little looser on me. To maintain a

lower weight would mean a constant struggle. The way I eat

is mainly for diabetes contol, as is my daily walk, but I

would love to keep on losing a little. I'm probably about

10 lbs. less than I was a year ago, so I figure that's

progress.

Sandy

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I would be content with a 14 too Dianne--I AM a regular 14 on the bottom

(as long as it has elastic in the waistline) but am still a 16 on top

because of the arms & abdomen :< (

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

9/04:145 lbs (highest weight 309) 5'/age 66

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

I hate you both, not really. You both have done good, congratulations. I would

love to

even get down to a 18-20 size, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ml

Kore wrote:

>

> >My doc (I've had her for over 20 yrs so it's ok) said if I could only find

> someone to donate the approx 15 lbs of excess skin/flab to I'd be all set! <

>

> LOL, cappie, don't look at me. I have plenty of my own! (BTW, I am green with

> envy at the weight you have lost already. You are a model for me!)

>

> I have gotten down to a women's size 18-20. I would be content with being a

> real size 14 (as opposed to a plus size).

>

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

>

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Good luck with your spinal injection Dianne. I will be thinking about you.

ml

Kore wrote:

>

>

> I have decided to have the spinal injection. My rheumatologist referred me to

a

> doctor who does hundreds of injections in a year (at the very least). He and I

> spoke this afternoon and he answered my questions.

>

> I'm still nervous, but most of my concerns have been handled.

>

> Hugs, Dianne

>

>

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Dianne

I have had steriod shots for pain in my knee.I had one that only lasted a week

then my Dr gave me another and it has lasted for 4 months and no [well not

much]pain yet.It didnt make my bs any different and I already have diabetes so I

figured I couldnt be any worse by getting the shot.Now if they could only give

something for the neuropathy pain.WOW that is horrible Blessings Margaret

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I guess that it is a matter of priorities. Taste of my food is &

always was a very high one but it is no longer my highest. I do try to

make everything I eat taste as good to me as possible within the

framwork of bg & weight control but sometimes I just have to compromise

a little. For me, there are other & newer rewards for the slight

losses. YMMV

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

9/04:145 lbs (highest weight 309) 5'/age 66

cappie@...

[Guest guest]

I think there is a middle ground. If I didn't exercise and

watch what I eat, I would be much heavier than I am, so I do

that, but I am not willing to stay on a very rigid diet to

lose more weight just to be model slim. My main concern is

my blood sugar, and if I lose weight by doing all the right

things, that's great, but it's not my focus.

Sandy

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I am not peaceful with fat serenity. Others may well be and

that is ok with

me too.

[Guest guest]

I guess that it is a matter of priorities. Taste of my food is &

always was a very high one but it is no longer my highest. I do try to

make everything I eat taste as good to me as possible within the

framwork of bg & weight control but sometimes I just have to compromise

a little. For me, there are other & newer rewards for the slight losses.

YMMV

cappie

Greater Boston Area

T-2 10/02 9/04 A1c: 5.3

Mod 100 carb diet, walking, Metformin.

ALA/EPO, Coq10, B12, C, Cal/mag

ALC, Biotin, full spectrum E

fish oil, garlic, flax seed, multi vitamin

Lovastatin 20 mg, Enalapril 10 mg

9/04:145 lbs (highest weight 309) 5'/age 66

cappie@...