Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 No, it wasn't the messages about the service dogs for fibro and their warmth. In message number 64150 someone said they had a service dog for the depression from fibro. That was the one I was wondering about as to how a service dog would help with depression. It intrigues me because with my personality I don't understand how having another chore/responsibility heaped on you like taking care of an animal would help in any form. But that is just me. I see pets not as an enjoyment but just as another chore/responsibility that takes up what little spare time and extra energy I have. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Thanks for the information . That was interesting. But you don't have to bother with the websites. I'm not an " animal person'. To me animals are not an advantage in your life, they are just something else that wants your time, attention, energy and money not a joy. But I do appreciate the information. I always like learning something i did not know! N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 >> I don't think she wanted to take it to Resaruants etc.. She just wanted a pet.. << ---------------------------- Right, and please I hope everyone understands... that is why I said I wasn't meaning offense to anyone here, I was just sharing experiences on the subject in general... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 For me, the time trouble and money of caring for is more than repaid a thousand times over when he saves me from pain of trying to walk when I am having a bad day by getting things for me, all the times I would have fallen and ended up injured and in the hospital if not for him etc. Our house is too small for me to use the electric wheelchair inside and on bad days, I can't use the cane... and no object can replace the fast thinking and movements he can do when I stumble. A cane isn't going to feel me wavering and press itself against me for support and keep me on my feet. LOL One of the few times I decided I didn't *need* him during a bad day, so I didn't bother putting on his harness or anything, I ended up falling, spending the night in the ER and the next 3 months recovering from a busted kneecap and torn ligaments under the kneecap. It was almost months before I could walk normal and even now, over 2 years later, I still have major problems with that leg with pain and weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 > > Do any of you have service dogs? Yes, I do have a service dog. Mine is a schipperke, named Dizzy, she helps me with the anxiety I have as well as can alert me for my seizures. She is a little to big to hang around my neck, but she only weighs about 12 pounds. She does help reduce stress, which in turn helps with some of the pain. I also plan on breeding her and training her puppies to work as service dogs. Her daughter is learning the ropes and her son is a service dog for an autistic child. Webb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I have done a lot of research on service dogs starting back in the 80's when my son was DX educationally mentally retarded. I know how much good a service dog can do AND how ppl try and abuse the service dog regulations. I for one am glad that we have someone on the list that trains service dogs so we have someone to go for information and that she has provided us with her wisdom. I have a very good human friend who has a service dog who comes to church with us every Sunday the service dog's name is Christian <giggle> Christian is very well behaved better than some of the toddlers! I have often told that one day I was going to put Christian on the schedule to serve at the altar since he showed up more than the kids that were scheduled to serve! I also have a canine friend named Happy she is a rescue Corgi who lives with me and she can detect my asthma attacks before I can but she would NEVER be a service dog.......she loves to jump up and give EVERYONE a hello kiss. Thanks everyone for ALL of the information! etta Re: service dogs > >>I hate to be the barer of bad news to everyone. Being a trainer my self and having a service dog who is licensed to work I assure you all that just having a need for a dog such as stress etc does not grant you the write to take that dog with you. The ADA clearly states the dog must be trained to do a task for you.<< > > >>And better yet the animal must be well trained well groomed and free of flees dirt etc when in public.<< > > This information is not only correct but I have found myself on the hurting side of these types of people. > > Even though my service dog IS professionally trained for several tasks, including mobility assistance and even though he wears a service dog patch and a very expensive custom-made mobility assistance harness... I have still overheard rude comments in public such as " oh must be nice, lemme go slap a collar on my dog and take it everywhere just because I want to " ... or " she isn't blind, it's just another faker " . I even had a restaurant owner make a very loud scene and embarrass me in front of dozens of customers, even though I had taken him with me into that restaurant dozens of times before and this same owner had even commented on how well behaved is etc... to this day, I have no clue why he threw a tantrum that day. Oh I could sit here all day, typing up stories like this that have happened to me personally. > > One business (a grocery store) whose manager and security were way out of line with me, the next day I called the regional office and told them what happened. They were very upset, apologetic and made a promise that the store would be talked to and given the proper information about service dogs etc. The next time I went in there, the manager came to apologize, which was nice BUT his apology was tempered by his explaining about how frustrated he is of having so many people walk in with all sorts of pets, claiming them to be service animals when it is obvious they are not. > > While I can understand *that* problem, I do not for the life of me see how MY could be mistaken for not being legit! I mean seriously, here is a picture of what he looks like when he goes out with me... now who could not think he was really a service dog? http://members.cox.net/pegasus.realm/TravWork.jpg > > I had to laugh at Ambers hygiene comment because I am *so* anal about that subject! I could not tell you how many times I could have used and wanted him to go with me but left him home simply because he needed a bath and I hurt to bad to give him one that day and I would NOT take him out in public working, and risk going places where he might offend someone! > > Now all of that said, it *is* possible to have a small dog who is considered stress relief or depression aid etc BUT those are usually reserved for very severe cases of phobias and such where people can't leave their home without suffering serious panic attacks AND the animal has been professionally trained to assist them. I once knew a girl who had very severe phobias, she had been locked up at 8 years old by parents who didn't understand her disorder (severe epilepsy and mild autism) and she did not start to venture out into the world until she was 34 years old... and had such terrible panic attacks that they would trigger her epileptic seizures. She had a Pomeranian who had been specifically trained both as a stabilizing, calming influence and to detect oncoming seizures. That is a whole different world from " he makes me feel better " . > > No offense to anyone, and I realize the origional poster wasn't suggesting they do such a thing... I was just sharing some of my experiences on the subject. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 That is great they are adorable little dogs.. Bet -- Re: service dogs > > Do any of you have service dogs? Yes, I do have a service dog. Mine is a schipperke, named Dizzy, she helps me with the anxiety I have as well as can alert me for my seizures. She is a little to big to hang around my neck, but she only weighs about 12 pounds. She does help reduce stress, which in turn helps with some of the pain. I also plan on breeding her and training her puppies to work as service dogs. Her daughter is learning the ropes and her son is a service dog for an autistic child. Webb 1. While it is wonderful to share our experiences with everyone on the list as to what treatments do and don't work for us, pls always check with your dr. Some treatments are dangerous when given along with other meds as well as to certain health conditions or just dangerous in general. 2. If you are in a difficult situation (doesn't matter what it is) pls don't be afraid to ask for help. It is the first step to trying to make that situation better. 3. To unsubscribe the e-mail is: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group-unsubscribe 4. Also, it is not uncommon for more than one member to be feeling bad at the same time when it comes to flares and b/c of that potentially take something another member says the wrong way. And that includes the things that one member may find funny (even if it's laughing at fibro itself) even though we who deal with illness whether one such as fibro or multiple illnesses try to keep a sense of humor. 5. Pls let's be gentle with each other, and if you are having a bad day pls let us know so that we can do our best to offer our support. Have a nice day everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 What a wonderful dog..and companion. Bet -- Re: service dogs For me, the time trouble and money of caring for is more than repaid a thousand times over when he saves me from pain of trying to walk when I am having a bad day by getting things for me, all the times I would have fallen and ended up injured and in the hospital if not for him etc. Our house is too small for me to use the electric wheelchair inside and on bad days, I can't use the cane... and no object can replace the fast thinking and movements he can do when I stumble. A cane isn't going to feel me wavering and press itself against me for support and keep me on my feet. LOL One of the few times I decided I didn't *need* him during a bad day, so I didn't bother putting on his harness or anything, I ended up falling, spending the night in the ER and the next 3 months recovering from a busted kneecap and torn ligaments under the kneecap. It was almost months before I could walk normal and even now, over 2 years later, I still have major problems with that leg with pain and weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 ROTFL My husband told me that no way would he every go out with me having a dog around my neck like a fox collar our Mothers used to wear! Our grandson's cat Miss Lucy disappeared a couple of weeks ago.........that makes the 4th cat we have lost since we moved into this damn dump after the flood! Everyone on the road knows it is one person on the road but we can't get evidence against them When our cats were being taken care of while we were in the shelter after the flood the gal had them in a ferret cage but I couldn't afford one ( a couple hundred dollars) and the cats were as happy as clams! food, water, litter box, toys etc all in one spot and nice and safe. etta Re: service dogs > > > i have a service dog for the depression associated with the fibro > from what i was told all you need to do is have a need that the > animal can provide then i went to my counselor and he wrote a paper > stating the need for the dog and a recomendation for accomadation and > now i get to have my dog at my apt. free of charge and when i got him > i picked a good natured dog at the pound and told them what my > intentions were for the dog and i just had to pay the 25 dollars for > the microchip and nothing else./ > > > > > > > Do any of you have service dogs? I saw one called a Xolos (common > > name is a > > > Mexion hairless) that is supposed to help like a heating pad. the > > web site > > > tells how this lady trains them to lay around the neck and be a > > service dog. > > > I have emailed her but so far no response. Also when I tried to > > find out > > > more and get one no one knows anything about them. > > > etta > > > > > > > Jonetta, > > > > I have been loking online for more information on the Xolo dog for > > you. I have found a website that lists a breeder for them, but I > > don't know the price. It has their contact info, so I hope this > > helps. Here is the link: > > http://www.breederinfocenter.com/index.php?a_id=20020109173824 > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'm with . Even though I do not have a service dog, I do not resent any of the money I have spent on my collie. He is such good company, gets me to go out for walks, and always senses how I am feeling. Yes he has cost me a lot of money - over $7000 for 4 surgeries on his foot in less than 2 years. His previous owner ignored a broken bone in his foot which has caused permanent trouble and he has to wear a brace for the rest of his life. I don't regret the money spent but I sure wish I had it to get painting and repairs done on my house. I got him from the shelter and he is absolutely gorgeous inside and out. Margaret B > For me, the time trouble and money of caring for is more > than repaid a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 i just wanted to clarify my last comment about dogs i was just meaning to refer to the ability to get one into and apt that normally doesnt allow animals because thats the way ive seen it done my dog started that wasy and i trained him because i have 60 percent hearing loss to alert me of alarms fire alarms etc he lets me know if a car is getting close because i cant usually hear it and also lets me know if someones coming up to me and if someone knocks on the door. so before i could get him trained to be able to be certified i had him as a mental health dog by getting the letter from a psychiatrist to be able to keep him in my apt b4 he was certified and i agree that currently alot of people are taking advantage of the name service dog and that a mental health dog is not one and i have seen very unbehaving dogs with patches on busses that bark at my service dog and don't obey their owners and then bus drivers start to question everyone because of this and stores to > > I have done a lot of research on service dogs starting back in the 80's when > my son was DX educationally mentally retarded. I know how much good a > service dog can do AND how ppl try and abuse the service dog regulations. I > for one am glad that we have someone on the list that trains service dogs so > we have someone to go for information and that she has provided us with her > wisdom. > I have a very good human friend who has a service dog who comes to church > with us every Sunday the service dog's name is Christian <giggle> Christian > is very well behaved better than some of the toddlers! I have often told > that one day I was going to put Christian on the schedule to serve at > the altar since he showed up more than the kids that were scheduled to > serve! > I also have a canine friend named Happy she is a rescue Corgi who lives with > me and she can detect my asthma attacks before I can but she would NEVER be > a service dog.......she loves to jump up and give EVERYONE a hello kiss. > Thanks everyone for ALL of the information! > etta > > > Re: service dogs > > > > >>I hate to be the barer of bad news to everyone. Being a trainer my self > and having a service dog who is licensed to work I assure you all that just > having a need for a dog such as stress etc does not grant you the write to > take that dog with you. The ADA clearly states the dog must be trained to do > a task for you.<< > > > > >>And better yet the animal must be well trained well groomed and free of > flees dirt etc when in public.<< > > > > This information is not only correct but I have found myself on the > hurting side of these types of people. > > > > Even though my service dog IS professionally trained for several tasks, > including mobility assistance and even though he wears a service dog patch > and a very expensive custom-made mobility assistance harness... I have still > overheard rude comments in public such as " oh must be nice, lemme go slap a > collar on my dog and take it everywhere just because I want to " ... or " she > isn't blind, it's just another faker " . I even had a restaurant owner make a > very loud scene and embarrass me in front of dozens of customers, even > though I had taken him with me into that restaurant dozens of times before > and this same owner had even commented on how well behaved is etc... > to this day, I have no clue why he threw a tantrum that day. Oh I could sit > here all day, typing up stories like this that have happened to me > personally. > > > > One business (a grocery store) whose manager and security were way out of > line with me, the next day I called the regional office and told them what > happened. They were very upset, apologetic and made a promise that the store > would be talked to and given the proper information about service dogs etc. > The next time I went in there, the manager came to apologize, which was nice > BUT his apology was tempered by his explaining about how frustrated he is of > having so many people walk in with all sorts of pets, claiming them to be > service animals when it is obvious they are not. > > > > While I can understand *that* problem, I do not for the life of me see how > MY could be mistaken for not being legit! I mean seriously, here is a > picture of what he looks like when he goes out with me... now who could not > think he was really a service dog? > http://members.cox.net/pegasus.realm/TravWork.jpg > > > > I had to laugh at Ambers hygiene comment because I am *so* anal about that > subject! I could not tell you how many times I could have used and > wanted him to go with me but left him home simply because he needed a bath > and I hurt to bad to give him one that day and I would NOT take him out in > public working, and risk going places where he might offend someone! > > > > Now all of that said, it *is* possible to have a small dog who is > considered stress relief or depression aid etc BUT those are usually > reserved for very severe cases of phobias and such where people can't leave > their home without suffering serious panic attacks AND the animal has been > professionally trained to assist them. I once knew a girl who had very > severe phobias, she had been locked up at 8 years old by parents who didn't > understand her disorder (severe epilepsy and mild autism) and she did not > start to venture out into the world until she was 34 years old... and had > such terrible panic attacks that they would trigger her epileptic seizures. > She had a Pomeranian who had been specifically trained both as a > stabilizing, calming influence and to detect oncoming seizures. That is a > whole different world from " he makes me feel better " . > > > > No offense to anyone, and I realize the origional poster wasn't suggesting > they do such a thing... I was just sharing some of my experiences on the > subject. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 It is a shame people have to ruin it for others.. Bet -- Re: service dogs i just wanted to clarify my last comment about dogs i was just meaning to refer to the ability to get one into and apt that normally doesnt allow animals because thats the way ive seen it done my dog started that wasy and i trained him because i have 60 percent hearing loss to alert me of alarms fire alarms etc he lets me know if a car is getting close because i cant usually hear it and also lets me know if someones coming up to me and if someone knocks on the door. so before i could get him trained to be able to be certified i had him as a mental health dog by getting the letter from a psychiatrist to be able to keep him in my apt b4 he was certified and i agree that currently alot of people are taking advantage of the name service dog and that a mental health dog is not one and i have seen very unbehaving dogs with patches on busses that bark at my service dog and don't obey their owners and then bus drivers start to question everyone because of this and stores to > > I have done a lot of research on service dogs starting back in the 80's when > my son was DX educationally mentally retarded. I know how much good a > service dog can do AND how ppl try and abuse the service dog regulations. I > for one am glad that we have someone on the list that trains service dogs so > we have someone to go for information and that she has provided us with her > wisdom. > I have a very good human friend who has a service dog who comes to church > with us every Sunday the service dog's name is Christian <giggle> Christian > is very well behaved better than some of the toddlers! I have often told > that one day I was going to put Christian on the schedule to serve at > the altar since he showed up more than the kids that were scheduled to > serve! > I also have a canine friend named Happy she is a rescue Corgi who lives with > me and she can detect my asthma attacks before I can but she would NEVER be > a service dog.......she loves to jump up and give EVERYONE a hello kiss. > Thanks everyone for ALL of the information! > etta > > > Re: service dogs > > > > >>I hate to be the barer of bad news to everyone. Being a trainer my self > and having a service dog who is licensed to work I assure you all that just > having a need for a dog such as stress etc does not grant you the write to > take that dog with you. The ADA clearly states the dog must be trained to do > a task for you.<< > > > > >>And better yet the animal must be well trained well groomed and free of > flees dirt etc when in public.<< > > > > This information is not only correct but I have found myself on the > hurting side of these types of people. > > > > Even though my service dog IS professionally trained for several tasks, > including mobility assistance and even though he wears a service dog patch > and a very expensive custom-made mobility assistance harness... I have still > overheard rude comments in public such as " oh must be nice, lemme go slap a > collar on my dog and take it everywhere just because I want to " ... or " she > isn't blind, it's just another faker " . I even had a restaurant owner make a > very loud scene and embarrass me in front of dozens of customers, even > though I had taken him with me into that restaurant dozens of times before > and this same owner had even commented on how well behaved is etc... > to this day, I have no clue why he threw a tantrum that day. Oh I could sit > here all day, typing up stories like this that have happened to me > personally. > > > > One business (a grocery store) whose manager and security were way out of > line with me, the next day I called the regional office and told them what > happened. They were very upset, apologetic and made a promise that the store > would be talked to and given the proper information about service dogs etc. > The next time I went in there, the manager came to apologize, which was nice > BUT his apology was tempered by his explaining about how frustrated he is of > having so many people walk in with all sorts of pets, claiming them to be > service animals when it is obvious they are not. > > > > While I can understand *that* problem, I do not for the life of me see how > MY could be mistaken for not being legit! I mean seriously, here is a > picture of what he looks like when he goes out with me... now who could not > think he was really a service dog? > http://members.cox.net/pegasus.realm/TravWork.jpg > > > > I had to laugh at Ambers hygiene comment because I am *so* anal about that > subject! I could not tell you how many times I could have used and > wanted him to go with me but left him home simply because he needed a bath > and I hurt to bad to give him one that day and I would NOT take him out in > public working, and risk going places where he might offend someone! > > > > Now all of that said, it *is* possible to have a small dog who is > considered stress relief or depression aid etc BUT those are usually > reserved for very severe cases of phobias and such where people can't leave > their home without suffering serious panic attacks AND the animal has been > professionally trained to assist them. I once knew a girl who had very > severe phobias, she had been locked up at 8 years old by parents who didn't > understand her disorder (severe epilepsy and mild autism) and she did not > start to venture out into the world until she was 34 years old... and had > such terrible panic attacks that they would trigger her epileptic seizures. > She had a Pomeranian who had been specifically trained both as a > stabilizing, calming influence and to detect oncoming seizures. That is a > whole different world from " he makes me feel better " . > > > > No offense to anyone, and I realize the origional poster wasn't suggesting > they do such a thing... I was just sharing some of my experiences on the > subject. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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