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I just read 's comments on scientists creating human embryos for the

sole purpose of killing these human embryos strictly to harvest stem

cells. I agree with , I do not want to be " saved " because someone

deliberately created life just to take it in the name of a scientific

break through. The difference is THEY CREATED THEM FOR SCIENTIFIC

RESEARCH ONLY! Not to create a life to help less fortunate couples have a

child and start a family. If you have " left over " embryos that the

" parents " don't want to donate to other couples that's different. I also

refuse to believe people deliberately get pregnant JUST to get an

abortion. So to me NOT using those stem cells is a waste, they should be

used for research. Lets not create life, a cell that can divide itself is

a life, so that it can just be destroyed.

Later,

JD, feeling the need for God's wisdom, in AZ

PS What would we think about creating an embryo for stem cell research,

but then took it one step further? Say bring it to the second trimester?

or the third trimester? That is the next logical step isn't it?

I too am in favour of any research that may help control the ravages of

NF2 in ourselves or more probably in our children, but for me the researchers

in Virginia crossed the line. They went out and recruited and then paid

donors for their eggs and sperm for the sole purpose of creating human

organisms that were subsequently killed to yield stem cells.

You can rationalize it anyway you want and you can gloss it over with

nice words like"harvest", but the bottom line is that these researchers

killed potential humans. Since we have developed the technology to intercede

at all stages of our reproductory process it seems only fair, in my humble

opinion, that our wing of protection be similarly extended.

This is the start of the slippery slope and I think that we need to

see what is really happening here. Human selective breeding and population

control programmes of the last century were reviled and here it is again

in another form.

Why should one human life be expended to improve the longevity of another?

Extending the life of one individual through the death of another

is not logical and is morally totally wrong.

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BUZZ : ! humans are SO arrogant to think they are the only worthy spices

on this planet

Marcus : No no no, I believe SALT and PEPPER are worthy spices also, go

great with a 2 inch slice of COW.

Marcus almost home from 5 years of seeking out strange new life forms .

hahahahahhaa time to put the JB away Marcus.. Night all, heading into

Saturday here signing off from your tomorrow .( am I really ? No wonder i'm

so confused .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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The question really comes down to a point. is a one cell with DNA in it a

human ? and is being a human any more special than being a monkey, horse, or

Fish. why do we have the right to destroy amoeba but not a one celled fetus

? Because it is ALL LIFE! humans are SO arrogant to think they are the

only worthy spices on this planet, EVERYTHING that has DNA is part of YOU!

One day human kind will be able to create life. We are coming close

already. Artificial Intelligence is Life. It is different than DNA but is

a life form in itself.

And as far as creating life . NO WAY that life was there. it has been

there since the beginning of time and will be there till the end of

existence. We as humans don't have the knowledge to create life, All that

we are doing is copying a procedure that has gone on for billions of years.

I just read 's comments on scientists creating human embryos for the

sole purpose of killing these human embryos strictly to harvest stem

cells. I agree with , I do not want to be " saved " because someone

deliberately created life just to take it in the name of a scientific

break through. The difference is THEY CREATED THEM FOR SCIENTIFIC

RESEARCH ONLY! Not to create a life to help less fortunate couples have a

child and start a family. If you have " left over " embryos that the

" parents " don't want to donate to other couples that's different. I also

refuse to believe people deliberately get pregnant JUST to get an

abortion. So to me NOT using those stem cells is a waste, they should be

used for research. Lets not create life, a cell that can divide itself is

a life, so that it can just be destroyed.

Later,

JD, feeling the need for God's wisdom, in AZ

PS What would we think about creating an embryo for stem cell research,

but then took it one step further? Say bring it to the second trimester?

or the third trimester? That is the next logical step isn't it?

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HAHAHA My spell checker did that. It may screw with a word every once in

a while, But I bet you would rather see that that me not using a spell

checker. My spelling is DEPLORABLE!

Re: Human Stem Cell Research

BUZZ : ! humans are SO arrogant to think they are the only worthy spices

on this planet

Marcus : No no no, I believe SALT and PEPPER are worthy spices also, go

great with a 2 inch slice of COW.

Marcus almost home from 5 years of seeking out strange new life forms .

hahahahahhaa time to put the JB away Marcus.. Night all, heading into

Saturday here signing off from your tomorrow .( am I really ? No wonder i'm

so confused .... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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BUZZ : ! humans are SO arrogant to think they are the only worthy spiceson this planet

Jimmy says:ha,man you never met my dog.

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Yes, you ask and "Christian" if animals have souls. They will say “absolutely NOT! Only Man is worthy of God, after all according to a book written 1500 years ago by men, Man was made in God's image..”Every form of life on this planet is special, Not just homo-sapiens

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BUZZ : ! humans are SO arrogant to think they are the only worthy spiceson this planet

Jimmy says:ha,man you never met my dog.

Jimmy

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--- CrystalBuzz wrote:

> Yes, you ask and " Christian " if animals have souls.

> They will say

> “absolutely NOT! Only Man is worthy of God, after

> all according to a book

> written 1500 years ago by men, Man was made in God's

> image..”

>

> Every form of life on this planet is special, Not

> just homo-sapiens

Bob,

I am not starting another debate :)

I will ask that you stop insulting " Christians " (why

the quotes?). And I'll try not to attack your

beliefs, or anyone else's.

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shutup both of you,

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RE: Human Stem Cell Research

>

> --- CrystalBuzz wrote:

> > Yes, you ask and " Christian " if animals have souls.

> > They will say

> > " absolutely NOT! Only Man is worthy of God, after

> > all according to a book

> > written 1500 years ago by men, Man was made in God's

> > image.. "

> >

> > Every form of life on this planet is special, Not

> > just homo-sapiens

>

> Bob,

>

> I am not starting another debate :)

>

> I will ask that you stop insulting " Christians " (why

> the quotes?). And I'll try not to attack your

> beliefs, or anyone else's.

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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Were did I insult Christens ? And I put quotes around Christens because

there are at least 15 different groups that have different beliefs, that

even kill one another that call themselves Christens.

If you say. Christens don't Kill Christens. Look at Northern Ireland..

Nuff said.

--- CrystalBuzz wrote:

> Yes, you ask and " Christian " if animals have souls.

> They will say

> “absolutely NOT! Only Man is worthy of God, after

> all according to a book

> written 1500 years ago by men, Man was made in God's

> image..”

>

> Every form of life on this planet is special, Not

> just homo-sapiens

Bob,

I am not starting another debate :)

I will ask that you stop insulting " Christians " (why

the quotes?). And I'll try not to attack your

beliefs, or anyone else's.

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Bob,

It's not a one cell fetus, it's an embryo. A human embryo. I don't think

it's a fetus until the fourth week. I never said one thing about " us "

humans experimenting on other life forms. I was just saying " Creating a

human embryo for the sole purpose of destroying it is wrong. It's going

to far. " There are other ways to achieve is. BTW if Bush doesn't approve

the funding for stem cells, it will only put the US behind other

countries that are doing their own research. Israel, Sweden, Germany.

Lots of big bucks out there wanting patents on this.

JD in AZ

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:40:22 -0700 " CrystalBuzz "

writes:

> The question really comes down to a point. is a one cell with DNA in

> it a

> human ? and is being a human any more special than being a monkey,

> horse, or

> Fish. why do we have the right to destroy amoeba but not a one

> celled fetus

> ? Because it is ALL LIFE! humans are SO arrogant to think they are

> the

> only worthy spices on this planet, EVERYTHING that has DNA is part

> of YOU!

> One day human kind will be able to create life. We are coming close

> already. Artificial Intelligence is Life. It is different than DNA

> but is

> a life form in itself.

>

> And as far as creating life . NO WAY that life was there. it has

> been

> there since the beginning of time and will be there till the end of

> existence. We as humans don't have the knowledge to create life,

> All that

> we are doing is copying a procedure that has gone on for billions of

> years.

>

On Friday July 13, 2001 Jeff Daharsh writes:

> I just read 's comments on scientists creating human embryos

> for the

> sole purpose of killing these human embryos strictly to harvest stem

> cells. I agree with , I do not want to be " saved " because

> someone

> deliberately created life just to take it in the name of a

> scientific

> break through. The difference is THEY CREATED THEM FOR SCIENTIFIC

> RESEARCH ONLY! Not to create a life to help less fortunate couples

> have a

> child and start a family. If you have " left over " embryos that the

> " parents " don't want to donate to other couples that's different. I

> also

> refuse to believe people deliberately get pregnant JUST to get an

> abortion. So to me NOT using those stem cells is a waste, they

> should be

> used for research. Lets not create life, a cell that can divide

> itself is

> a life, so that it can just be destroyed.

>

> Later,

> JD, feeling the need for God's wisdom, in AZ

>

> PS What would we think about creating an embryo for stem cell

> research,

> but then took it one step further? Say bring it to the second

> trimester?

> or the third trimester? That is the next logical step isn't it?

>

>

>

>

>

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