Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi Re: seat belt laws > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > all..are > > made because many people have no common sense or > > morals. > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > to the States. > > Nate > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I agree, Lori. We had to put our pup of 12 years out of his misery, because he was suffering and his heart could not be repaired. Our vet kept telling us that sometimes helping them go is the kindest thing we can do for them. What about us? na Re: laws and state rights This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi Re: seat belt laws > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > all..are > > made because many people have no common sense or > > morals. > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > to the States. > > Nate > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 What gets my goat is that congress would not pass legislation to allow marijuana to be used for medicinal purposes. I hope that if I am in terminal condition and in pain, someone will love me enough to sneak it in to me. I'm all for laws that are for the good of people, but this is just politics.. blah! na Re: laws and state rights This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi Re: seat belt laws > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > all..are > > made because many people have no common sense or > > morals. > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > to the States. > > Nate > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What gets me is that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no say or choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a decision about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. Carol Lori Phibbs wrote: This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I hear you Lori darling, Arizona has voted in marijuana for medical purposes 3 times only to be over turned by big brother. JD, smokeless, in AZ On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:34:12 -0700 " Lori Phibbs " writes: > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes > 3 > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain > before it > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 > times. This > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, > and > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi > Re: seat belt laws > > > > > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > > all..are > > > made because many people have no common sense or > > > morals. > > > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > > to the States. > > > > Nate > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Hey Lori, Same with my state and using cannibis (pot) for medicinal purposes. Oh well, but it's how the US does things so.....However, I do hope the Bush Administration approves federal funding for stem cells research. Stem cell research would greatly benefit not only people with NF2, but people with Parkinson's, diabetes, and other maladies. This may anger some because it uses embryos but think of it, they're one celled organisms, not humans!!! Many have used the arguement that they have the potential to be human, but that's it! They have the potentail, which means that they are humans yet! And they also have the potential to help other humans who are in dire need!!! To deny them that need is cruel, in my opinion! Dunno, where I'm going with this, but I just want to say, if they find a cure for NF2 tomorrow through stem cells research, I can honestly say I'll be the first one in line! There's also a seperation of Church and State in this country (the US) but sometimes, that line get's blurred and that's sad. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: NF2_Crew To: <NF2_Crew > Subject: Re: laws and state rights Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:34:12 -0700 This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi Re: seat belt laws > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > all..are > > made because many people have no common sense or > > morals. > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > to the States. > > Nate > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 ----Original Message Follows---- What gets my goat is that congress would not pass legislation to allow marijuana to be used for medicinal purposes. I hope that if I am in terminal condition and in pain, someone will love me enough to sneak it in to me. <====== I'll seek you some " herb " on the left hand side na. =) Just don't narc on me. Mark > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I agree that the Federal government usurps States' powers way too much. There is a wide chasm in the interpretation of the Constitution. Is it a " living " document whose meaning changes with the times, or is it fixed (i.e.- should we interpret it using the meaning the Founders had when they wrote it)? You have libertarians on one side and Ralph Nader on the other. I tend to lean more towards the former... Nate --- Lori Phibbs wrote: > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted > in the Physician > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each > time) It takes 3 > separate Drs to write a letter that you are > incurable and in pain before it > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has > revoked it all 3 times. This > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a > religon thing, and > really the choice should be to the individual and > their God. ~~Lowi > Re: seat belt laws > > > > > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > > all..are > > > made because many people have no common sense or > > > morals. > > > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood > in > > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most > of > > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There > are > > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let > the > > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or > Minnesota, > > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt > law, > > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea > behind > > most of the Constitution. Anything not > specifically > > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY > falls > > to the States. > > > > Nate > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 I think its a silly thing.I don't need help killing myself.People need to stop being wusses and asking others to "help you". Jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Lori I AGREE WITH YOU. This is a religion thing, and > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi I have written many replies, but had to delete them. I was a Carer to my partner and although it is an individual choice, it is also something that should be able to be done medically by that individual. There is no way I would have been able to assist my partner. To me it would have been a sin, not my right to do and something I would never have been able to live with. ine (in a more serious mood) Re: seat belt laws > > > > > > > > I think freedom of choice is overstated > > > sometimes....Most laws..not > > > all..are > > > made because many people have no common sense or > > > morals. > > > > The 1st Amendment is one of the most misunderstood in > > this country. Too many people say, " this is a > > violation of my Constitutional rights! " And most of > > the time, the answer is, " No, it's not. " There are > > very few rights specifically spelled out in the > > Constitution; for everything else, it says, " Let the > > STATES decide. " Therefore, when Texas (or Minnesota, > > or California, etc.) enacts a mandatory seat belt law, > > that IS Constitutional. That is the very idea behind > > most of the Constitution. Anything not specifically > > spelled out in the US Constitution AUTOMATICALLY falls > > to the States. > > > > Nate > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 " To live the ultimate dream is to face the ultimate nightmare " --No Fear Inc. " Don't walk behind me, for I am not lead. Don't walk in front of me, for I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend " --Albert Camus Carpe Diem " The greater the diffuclty, the greater the glory " --Cicisero --No one's stopping you in killing yourself, but you shouldn't ask a doctor to do it for you because it goes against the Hippocratic Oath that he took! There's also a think called, a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) code with patients who are terminally ill or are in a coma. And that's understandable. But, you shouldn't ask another person to end your life because that would be murder. Mark ----Original Message Follows---- Reply-To: NF2_Crew To: NF2_Crew Subject: Re: laws and state rights Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:32:11 -0400 I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What gets me is that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no say or choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a decision about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. Carol Lori Phibbs wrote: > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before it > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. This > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2001 Report Share Posted July 17, 2001 Nooooooooooooooooooooo Mark, nobody is ASKING a Dr to end their life. BUT, they have medicines that they can give you to make the end sooner and less painful. Death with Dignity. If ever I cant wipe my own ass or feed myself and Im in great pain and have become a burden to those I love, I would choose to go. That is MY CHOICE and your values and morals have absolutelty no place in that decision. Certainly im not making any choices for you based on my beliefs, please dont cram your ideas of whats right or wrong on me.~~Lowwwiiiiiiiiiii Re: laws and state rights > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:32:11 -0400 > > I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What gets me > is > that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no say or > choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a decision > about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. > Carol > > Lori Phibbs wrote: > > > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the Physician > > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It takes 3 > > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in pain before > it > > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 times. > This > > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon thing, and > > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. ~~Lowi > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 I had a real hard decision to make about 4 years ago. My grandmother, on my mom's side, was in a nursing home and at 96 had lived a very good life. We were very close because she was the first that we know of to have NF2, and when my mom died from it when I was 5 years old, and because I have NF2 also, we developed a special relationship. Anyway I would go see her at least twice a week. When she needed something I was the one that got it for her. When she started going down hill I was the one that her doctor asked if he should revive her if necessary. She was not in any pain, but after sitting with her for two days, feeding her ice chips, I said no.....she didn't want that. I asked him if he would do me a favor though...... if he would give her something to help her..... go to sleep..... and let her go to heaven. I loved her very much. I didn't want her to have any pain. I wanted her to go peacefully. And as I was holding her hand he gave her a shot. He said he'd be back to check on her in an hour, but we both knew she was gone. I sat there with her for a short while, until a nurse came in. I told her, " Grandma was gone. " She said she already knew, the doctor had told her on his way out. My grandma was the best person I ever knew. I miss her... I miss her a lot... There are good compassionate doctors out there. When it's time, they will do what's needed. Law or no law. JD, reaching for a Kleenex, in AZ On Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:28:22 -0700 " Lori Phibbs " writes: > Nooooooooooooooooooooo Mark, nobody is ASKING a Dr to end their life. > BUT, > they have medicines that they can give you to make the end sooner > and less > painful. Death with Dignity. If ever I cant wipe my own ass or > feed myself > and Im in great pain and have become a burden to those I love, I > would > choose to go. That is MY CHOICE and your values and morals have > absolutelty > no place in that decision. Certainly im not making any choices for > you > based on my beliefs, please dont cram your ideas of whats right or > wrong on > me.~~Lowwwiiiiiiiiiii > Re: laws and state rights > > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:32:11 -0400 > > > > I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What > gets me > > is > > that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no > say or > > choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a > decision > > about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. > > Carol > > > > Lori Phibbs wrote: > > > > > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the > Physician > > > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It > takes 3 > > > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in > pain > before > > it > > > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 > times. > > This > > > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon > thing, and > > > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. > ~~Lowi > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 --- Mark Sarmac wrote: > However, I do hope the Bush Administration approves federal funding for stem cells research. Stem cell research would greatly benefit not only people with NF2, but people with Parkinson's, diabetes, and other maladies. And they also have the potential to help other humans who are in dire need!!! To deny them that need is cruel, in my opinion! Dunno, where I'm going with this, but I just want to say, if they find a cure for NF2 tomorrow through stem cells research, I can honestly say I'll be the first one in line! Mark, The end does not justify the means. If Nazi scientists had been able to cure a disease using their " research " on unwilling Jews, would you still be the first in line? You said yourself that embryos have the potential to become humans. Who decides whether or not that potential is snuffed out? Nate- not stirring up a debate, I promise! Just dishing out food for thought... __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 --- " Finch, na " wrote: > Our vet kept telling > us that sometimes helping them go is the kindest > thing we can do for them. > What about us? > > na You're not gonna take me " hunting " , are you, na? Seriously..... sorry to hear about your dog! Our Pekingese died a couple of years ago of an aneurism. She was our first " kid. " This Christmas, I bought Reagan a 6 week-old Pekingese for Christmas. She died the next day, too small and too weak (birth defects- vet said her heart was not properly developed). Nate __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 I'd be the 2nd in line ;-) > > However, I do hope the Bush Administration approves > federal funding for stem cells research. Stem cell > research would greatly benefit not only people with > NF2, but people with Parkinson's, diabetes, and other > maladies. And they also have the potential to help > other humans who are in dire need!!! To deny them > that need is cruel, in my opinion! Dunno, where I'm > going with this, but I just want to say, if they find > a cure for NF2 tomorrow through stem cells research, > I can honestly say I'll be the first one in line! > > > Mark, > > The end does not justify the means. If Nazi > scientists had been able to cure a disease using their > " research " on unwilling Jews, would you still be the > first in line? You said yourself that embryos have > the potential to become humans. Who decides whether > or not that potential is snuffed out? > > Nate- not stirring up a debate, I promise! Just > dishing out food for thought... > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Phibbs .. If ever I cant wipe my own ass or feed myself _________________________________________________________ Jimmy says this:I'm here for ya babe!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Thank you so much for sharing that JD:( I get real upset on this bject:( The reason is that my Grandma refused to go into a hospital or nursing home. So I lived with her, took Dale and Cody with me (Cody was only 6 months old, I still nursed) Anyway, Gram is and was like a Mother to me, I was glad I was there. But it was a 24 hour a day job. She had malignant melanoma that spread to her liver. She was in tremendous pain:(:( I prayed for God to take her. I honestly cant see the benefit of agonized suffering till you die:( Maybe its to Purify your body?? or soul?? appease your God?? If that is so, hes no God of mine:( We should not treat our animals with more dignity then ourselves. (I know that the liquid morphine took her:( I continued giving it to her even when she was asleep:( so it would. No one deserves to suffer like that) More then 2 cents~~Lowi:( Re: laws and state rights > > > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:32:11 -0400 > > > > > > I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What > > gets me > > > is > > > that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no > > say or > > > choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a > > decision > > > about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. > > > Carol > > > > > > Lori Phibbs wrote: > > > > > > > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the > > Physician > > > > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It > > takes 3 > > > > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in > > pain > > before > > > it > > > > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 > > times. > > > This > > > > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon > > thing, and > > > > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. > > ~~Lowi > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 If I am sick and dying Marc, I'll put you in my will! na RE: laws and state rights ----Original Message Follows---- What gets my goat is that congress would not pass legislation to allow marijuana to be used for medicinal purposes. I hope that if I am in terminal condition and in pain, someone will love me enough to sneak it in to me. <====== I'll seek you some " herb " on the left hand side na. =) Just don't narc on me. Mark > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 That SUCKS Lori... I'm sorry you (and your Grandma) had to go through that. na <--- Doesn't understand why we treat our animals with more dignity either Re: laws and state rights Thank you so much for sharing that JD:( I get real upset on this bject:( The reason is that my Grandma refused to go into a hospital or nursing home. So I lived with her, took Dale and Cody with me (Cody was only 6 months old, I still nursed) Anyway, Gram is and was like a Mother to me, I was glad I was there. But it was a 24 hour a day job. She had malignant melanoma that spread to her liver. She was in tremendous pain:(:( I prayed for God to take her. I honestly cant see the benefit of agonized suffering till you die:( Maybe its to Purify your body?? or soul?? appease your God?? If that is so, hes no God of mine:( We should not treat our animals with more dignity then ourselves. (I know that the liquid morphine took her:( I continued giving it to her even when she was asleep:( so it would. No one deserves to suffer like that) More then 2 cents~~Lowi:( Re: laws and state rights > > > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:32:11 -0400 > > > > > > I agree with you Lori.......my life......my right to take it. What > > gets me > > > is > > > that abortion is legal which to me is ending a life that had no > > say or > > > choice...yet someone with an adult brain is not allowed to make a > > decision > > > about their choice to die. Something is wrong with this picture. > > > Carol > > > > > > Lori Phibbs wrote: > > > > > > > This may be a way hot topic:( but my state has voted in the > > Physician > > > > assisted sucide law 3 times. (I voted for this each time) It > > takes 3 > > > > separate Drs to write a letter that you are incurable and in > > pain > > before > > > it > > > > can be done. BUT, the Federal government has revoked it all 3 > > times. > > > This > > > > is not really giving States any rights:( This is a religon > > thing, and > > > > really the choice should be to the individual and their God. > > ~~Lowi > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Cool na! =D Y'know, I remember a while ago when I brought up this topic and I basically said the same thing as you and I caught Hell for it??? Hehehe, this Crew's funny sometimes. Mark@... ----Original Message Follows---- If I am sick and dying Marc, I'll put you in my will! na RE: laws and state rights ----Original Message Follows---- What gets my goat is that congress would not pass legislation to allow marijuana to be used for medicinal purposes. I hope that if I am in terminal condition and in pain, someone will love me enough to sneak it in to me. <====== I'll seek you some " herb " on the left hand side na. =) Just don't narc on me. Mark > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 22:28:22 -0700 > Nooooooooooooooooooooo Mark, nobody is ASKING a Dr to end their life. BUT, they have medicines that they can give you to make the end sooner and less painful. Death with Dignity. If ever I cant wipe my own ass or feed myself and Im in great pain and have become a burden to those I love, I would choose to go. Hi Lori, I totally respect your personal choice. just adding a little more to the discussion here... Has anybody read ~Tuesdays with Morrie~ by Mitch Albom? (There were Nightline segments of Morrie shown with the tv movie a little while back too...) I don't know if it's something you gotta experience to understand, but having someone wipe your ass or feed you isn't nearly as shameful as we're socialized to believe (so it should definitely be kept separate from our notions of dignity). Morrie was able to cut through the crap and share his experiences. I can't stress how important it was for me to read his interpretations, as they affirmed my own from my experience of extreme dependence after the surgery in 1996. It's definitely a matter of perspective. I agree that if people don't want to live, then they shouldn't be forced to against they're wishes, but their decisions shouldn't be influenced by societally-induced guilt for becoming " a burden. " The influence of culture probably cancels this notion (since it makes everyone want everything instantaneously), but what if the ego flies out the window as we approach death and then we're free to explore states of being/mind that we can't even fathom within our everyday existence? The last thing we'd be thinking about would be that we were undignified or in pain... I can see standards getting all thrown in disarray. Then at some point or whatever, we have to decide whether we wish to continue our earthly existence or move on to alternate realms (or cease to exist--whatever your belief may be...) We don't know what we're getting ourselves into, but there is a morsel of empowerment in making that decision, perhaps. Whatever the choice turns out to be, I think we should be surrounded by compassion and love so they are free to make our choice... and not by loved ones who are worrying about how much pain we're in or how much we must hate being so " pitifully dependent. " We can't cultivate compassion rather than pity with slogans like death with dignity floating around. It's also my view that we've always got all kinds of Meaning floating around us as we're living our lives. Viewing a loved one that has become dependent as a burden is a fault in perception. (how easy would it be for roles to be reversed?!) The problem is too many people who always think they're missing something better... when chances are they're not making the most of what they have access to at the moment. Thanks for catalyzing my thoughts. I was itching to write, but seatbelts and swimming couldn't do it for me... Love and Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2001 Report Share Posted July 18, 2001 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:00:46 -0400 >Okay , I also read Tuedays with Morrie; I see a lot of your perspectivere being a burden; BUT what about when someone is in severe pain? And not in control enough to make decisions for themselves? marie It's an individual thing, of course. (And by individual, we're talking about the person and everyone surrounding them in a particular place/time... and all those people will do the best they can to do what they think their loved one would want.) Something that I think should be universal is for people to be surrounded with love and compassion (whether a right to die is being exercised or not... it could help in healing if that's the way things may go in that particular instance--and I do realize there are many instances where that's not the case). Of course, it would be even better for people to be surrounded by love and compassion whether they were in a severely weakened condition or not!!! reciprocal and contagious to boot! With love, compassion, and some understanding (with still much to learn!), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 --- Mark Sarmac wrote: > Nate, > Animal Rights activist say the same thing > when using animals for > research! But, I bet you ANYTHING, that if one of > them have a disease that > is horrendous like NF2, that where a cure has been > found through animal > research they'd change there minds in a heartbeat! Mark, I am FOR animalresearch. I am not an " animal rights " activist. I am not one of those who believes animals and humans are equal and have the same rights. Do I think we should intentionally inflict pain on them? No... but if carving up a monkey will cure cancer, here's a scalpel- get to work! haha > This is what I was afraid of when W. Bush got > selected to the > Presidency. It seems he's being swayed by the > religious right in this > country (the US) and that's sad because there's a > seperation of Church and > State. Nooo..... Mark, he's actually using his head and his own personal conscience to consider an issue that has deep implications. I think he should be commended for putting this much thought into it. I know it kills you Clinton/Gore supporters to have a man in office who HAS a conscience. > If W. Bush doesn't fund Stem Cell > Research, what's next, > repeal Roe v. Wade and make abortion illegal???? I hope so! Nate __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2001 Report Share Posted July 19, 2001 I'd like to read this article myself. I wonder if Modern Maturity has a web site. I tried to see, but my company has restricted a lot of web sites. Apparently Modern Maturity Magazine is categorized as an Advocacy Group. So I'll have to wait till lunch time to check again. Sometimes magazines print stories on the web, don't they? Maybe not since they are a subscription magazine. What month is this issue, Marie? na Re: laws and state rights Thats so good Marie. I have heard a saying like that before. " Yesterday is history tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift, that why its called the present:) " Good huh??~~Lowi:) Re: laws and state rights > I am not nearly as eloquent as , but did anyone read about Ram Dass? > He had a very severe stroke, is in his 60s, needs 24 hour care; and I read > an article by him in Modern Maturity (quit snickering, you'll get there too) > He was the one with O'Leary and LSD and how they got kicked out of > Harvard; and he has been active in hunger issues, etc. Anyhow, I > thought--let's see what he has to say NOW! I was very surprised; his > article was " Be Here Now " --yesterday is over and done; you don't know if > tomorrow will come; what you have is NOW: so you need to make the most of > NOW. It was actually an upbeat article, I was very surprised. marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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