Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 In a message dated 4/4/2003 9:21:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, diabetes_int writes: > It takes work on your part, and reading lists like this. There are many here > that have started insulin on their own by reading and observing what others > do. I am one. > Dave; Can you tell me how this is done?... where can someone get Humalog (or other insulins) without a prescription? TIA, Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 In a message dated 4/4/2003 9:21:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, diabetes_int writes: > It takes work on your part, and reading lists like this. There are many here > that have started insulin on their own by reading and observing what others > do. I am one. > Dave; Can you tell me how this is done?... where can someone get Humalog (or other insulins) without a prescription? TIA, Sheree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 The older insulins don't require a prescription. This includes NPH, regular and Ultralente. I would not recommend the first two, would definitely recommend the Ultralente. You do need a prescription for Humalog, Novalog and Lantus. And if you're in Canada, Lantus isn't available there yet. Vicki In a message dated 04/05/2003 12:47:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, SLS756@... writes: > > Dave; > Can you tell me how this is done?... where can someone get Humalog (or > other insulins) without a prescription? > TIA, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 It's a new type of insulin. It's supposed to last for 24 hours but it doesn't always, for all. For me, it only worked for 19 hours. So I went back to UL. Vicki In a message dated 04/05/2003 2:28:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > Is Lantus a completely new type of insulin or just a new manufacturer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Atta girl, Kay! Write everything down (or print out the posts we sent you on this subject) and take them in to your doc. Make a list...and make sure he answers all your questions to your satisfaction. Especially important is that article that Dave referred you to that gave the newest parameters for good BG control. Your doc should be made aware of this. He hasn't been doing you any favors so far. Vicki In a message dated 04/05/2003 4:24:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, fencible@... writes: > I need to take this much more seriously before I have major problems. > Thanks for the help. I will talk to him when I see him. > > Kay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 Lantus is made by Avantis and it's been out for maybe two years. It's pretty expensive. Ultralente is made by Lilly and has been around for a long time but not many doctors advocate for it for some reason. You don't need a precription for it and it's relatively cheap. However, it really works very well. There are many on this list who use it successfully and can help you with dosing. I doubt that your doc will know much about it and the nurse practitioner who instructs you probably doesn't either since it's not a new insulin. Vicki In a message dated 04/05/2003 4:27:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > > How long has it been out on the market? Is UL manufactured by only one > company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 SLS756@... wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2003 9:21:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > diabetes_int writes: > > > It takes work on your part, and reading lists like this. There are many here > > that have started insulin on their own by reading and observing what others > > do. I am one. > > > > Dave; > Can you tell me how this is done?... where can someone get Humalog (or > other insulins) without a prescription? > TIA, > Sheree Well, you can't buy the newer analog insulins (Humulog or Novolog), or Lantus, without a prescription, but you can buy Humulin-U (Ultralente) for use as a basal, and Humulin-R, which is a slower insulin but used by some for meals. It is much better to use Humulog. You should also look at this Medscape article: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/449887 -- Dave - 3:13:06 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: When in doubt, think. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 SLS756@... wrote: > In a message dated 4/4/2003 9:21:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, > diabetes_int writes: > > > It takes work on your part, and reading lists like this. There are many here > > that have started insulin on their own by reading and observing what others > > do. I am one. > > > > Dave; > Can you tell me how this is done?... where can someone get Humalog (or > other insulins) without a prescription? > TIA, > Sheree Well, you can't buy the newer analog insulins (Humulog or Novolog), or Lantus, without a prescription, but you can buy Humulin-U (Ultralente) for use as a basal, and Humulin-R, which is a slower insulin but used by some for meals. It is much better to use Humulog. You should also look at this Medscape article: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/449887 -- Dave - 3:13:06 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: When in doubt, think. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:17:04 EST SLS756@... wrote: I think it depends on the state you live in. In MI you do not need a script for Humilin but Humolog and others you do. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 How long has it been out on the market? Is UL manufactured by only one company? My doctor relied on his nurse pract to instruct his patients about insulin usage and she wasn't available when I started on insulin so maybe that is why I didn't get any instruction about how insulin works etc. She was a funny bird -- if she didn't like you, she just didn't say much. I came in from out of town, I don't drive in the city, and my hubby had worked all night and he wanted me to get in and out of the office asap so he had words with her. She scheduled me with the hospital nurse to instruct me on how to inject my insulin and that was all the instruction I got. I assumed that was all anybody got until I found this list. When I saw all the talk about basal insulin and found that my numbers aren't in line when they are close to 7, I am a little mad at myself. My friends with diabetes here in the rural areas don't even get glycohemoglobins done. They go to the hospital for a fasting blood sugar (and of course they don't eat sweets for a week beforehand) and if they haven't gained any weight, they hear " good job " from their M.D. I feel more comfortable with an endo than a straight M.D. but looks like I have been fooling myself. I need to take this much more seriously before I have major problems. Thanks for the help. I will talk to him when I see him. Kay Re: Digest Number 2845 It's a new type of insulin. It's supposed to last for 24 hours but it doesn't always, for all. For me, it only worked for 19 hours. So I went back to UL. Vicki In a message dated 04/05/2003 2:28:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > Is Lantus a completely new type of insulin or just a new manufacturer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2003 Report Share Posted April 5, 2003 wwin98@... wrote: I feel more comfortable with an endo than a straight M.D. but looks like I have been fooling myself. I need to take this much more seriously before I have major problems. Thanks for the help. I will > talk to him when I see him. > Kay Just the title of Endo doesn't mean he is good with diabetes. I have never been to an Endo, dietician, or anything else. I have a general practicioner (female) who I feel does an excellent job, and I get 30-40 minute appointments with her. Sometimes it's good to ask around, nurses, etc., as to who is good with diabetes. -- Dave - 6:13:06 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: * Auntie Em, Hate you, hate Kansas, taking the dog. Dorothy. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 wwin98@... wrote: > I do have insurance which will pay for my insulin so that's no problem. He will probably > let me choose IF he has had some experience with another type of insulin. I am anxious to ask. I will print some of these posts and take them to him and tell him I am not leaving his office until I get some answers. > Kay IMHO, your first bet for a type 2 wanting basal and bolus insulin would be Lantus, and Humulog. -- Dave - 9:48:45 AM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: Feel safe tonight ... Sleep with a cop. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Lantus - yes if it works for a full 24 hours for you. It didn't for me. In that event, 2 shots of UL 12 hours apart works very well for basal. And yes for Humalog, matched to carbs for meal coverage. Vicki In a message dated 04/06/2003 1:05:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > And Lantus and Humalog are good insulins to take? > Kay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 About the Humalog...don't let the doctor give you a " sliding scale " , i.e. if your BG is X, take so much insulin; if it's Y, take a different amount. This is correcting after the fact and is very inefficient. With matching insulin to carbs, you can avoid going high in the first place. (This may be a new concept to the doctor! -- but it's used for pump patients 100% of t he time.) Vicki In a message dated 04/06/2003 1:05:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > And Lantus and Humalog are good insulins to take? > Kay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 wwin98@... wrote: > And Lantus and Humalog are good insulins to take? > Kay Can't advise you on that. Everyone is different, but it is fine for me, and many others. Some, like Vicky like Ultralente better. I was on it but prefer Lantus as you don't have to mix it up to use it. -- Dave - 4:18:45 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I've learned.... That the easiest way for me to grow as a person is to surround myself with people smarter than I am. --Andy Rooney- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Hi Kay, I use Humalog and NPH. Not too many people on this list like or endorse NPH but it works fine for me. I wanted to use Lantus but it is not available here in Canada and Ultralente does not come in pen form and my insurance will not pay for syringes. Jacky _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 whimsy2@... wrote: > Lantus - yes if it works for a full 24 hours for you. It didn't for me. In > that event, 2 shots of UL 12 hours apart works very well for basal. And yes > for Humalog, matched to carbs for meal coverage. > Vicki >From what I've read so far, you're in the minority, so don't down it as YMMV. Lantus works well for me, 24hrs+. UL is not for everyone as you need to mix it well, and the results from the beginning of the vial to the bottom can be quite different. -- Dave - 6:38:45 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I've learned.... That the less time I have to work with, the more things I get done. --Andy Rooney- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2003 Report Share Posted April 6, 2003 Hi Kay, I will go check.....mine says Humilin N. It works great for me, my last HgA1C was 5.3 Jacky _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 It would be extremely unusual for fat per se to raise your BGs. However, fat combined with carbs WILL make BGs rise and stay high longer - the action curve would be something more like a table shape instead of a mountain. Do you understand what I'm saying? Vicki In a message dated 04/07/2003 12:21:42 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > I have found that fat does cause my bs to skyrocket so I have been avoiding > it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2003 Report Share Posted April 7, 2003 What I mean is, if you eat something carby and take your BG before eating it then at 30 minute intervals and graph it, you'll see a graph like a mountain shape - it'll go up and then it will come down. If you eat fat with the carbs - a good example is a slice of pizza - and test your BG before then at half hour intervals until it comes back down again, it will go up and stay up for a couple of hours (because of the fat) before coming down again. Like a plateau. Is that more clear? Anyway, fat alone doesn't raise BGs. Vicki In a message dated 04/07/2003 8:08:11 PM US Mountain Standard Time, wwin98@... writes: > > I have never drawn it out > Kay > Re: Digest Number 2845 > > > It would be extremely unusual for fat per se to raise your BGs. However, > fat > combined with carbs WILL make BGs rise and stay high longer - the action > curve would be something more like a table shape instead of a mountain. > Do > you understand what I'm saying? Vicki > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 >Ultralente is made by Lilly and has been >around for a long time try maybe 60 or 70 years because that is what my sister started on when she was 7 and what my great uncle took long before that. >but not many doctors advocate for it for >some reason. could this be because it is harder to regulate. I remember my sister and great uncle taking 4 and 5 injections a day. You do have to remember that those were the days prior to meters when peeing in a cup and dipping a strip of paper (very inaccurate) was the only way to test. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 >NPH. That is what DH and I were put on to start with. It is what my Type 1 sister has taken for 30 years. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 >NPH. That is what DH and I were put on to start with. It is what my Type 1 sister has taken for 30 years. Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2003 Report Share Posted April 8, 2003 C Kaminski wrote: > >Ultralente is made by Lilly and has been >around for a long time > > try maybe 60 or 70 years because that is what my sister started on when she was 7 and what my great uncle took long before that. It was discovered in 1951. ***************** The '50s Adding zinc to insulin to form crystals in varying sizes produced the Lente family-including Ultralente-in 1951. The size of the insulin crystals determined the length of the insulin's action: the larger the crystal, the longer it took to disperse insulin from the injection site. *********************** > > > >but not many doctors advocate for it for >some reason. > > could this be because it is harder to regulate. I remember my sister and great uncle taking 4 and 5 injections a day. You do have to remember that those were the days prior to meters when peeing in a cup and dipping a strip of paper (very inaccurate) was the only way to test. No, I think the reason more doctors don't advocate it is because it is not in their textbooks. -- Dave - 3:44:39 PM T2 - 5/98 Glucophage, Lantus & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: " Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog. " - lin P. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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