Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 I've been reading for days and following each line of thought and from time to time I've thought maybe I would put in my two cents worth and then I'd think " maybe not " ...but sooner or later the urge to have my say wins out..grin... so please forgive me if others have moved on to different topics..... First...I tried to explain this one other time and wasn't as clear as I could have been.... the reason I say it again..only because it was hard for me to " get it " and so I think there may be some others stumbling around trying to understand...please bear in mind that my word is not " gospel " and I do not always consider myself 100% right and so if you choose to ignore what I say or to disagree, please do.... There is much contraversy on carbs, fats and proteins and the role they play in our lives..the truth is we need all three.... proteins are used by the body for tissue building and repair...it is true that when eaten, proteins are converted to amino acids as they are the building blocks of our bodies....but, if we eat more protein than we need, the excess is not stored as amino acids, it is convereted to fat and stored in our body....that left over from fat storage is filtered through the kidneys and flushed from the body.... however, these substances are not easy on our kidneys and can actually cause damage to them.... We also need certain fats for our brain to work and for other processes necessary for our body's growth and maintainance....fats that we eat in access is stored in our body as fat, to be used for energy if we need it....carbohydrates are the fuel foods that our body needs to do all this body building and repair and to fuel our daily activities....as long as we eat only enough carbs to fuel our needs, we don't convert any of them to fat for storage and we don't gain weight..... If we don't eat enough carbs to fuel our body's activities, we draw from our fat storage.... when fats are used for energy, the waste is ketones which builds up in the system and becomes ketosis....and ketosis is not good for our kidneys....so if we are not processing the sugars from carbs, we are hungry, our blood is thick with sugar and since we can't process it, our body starts using our fat reserves.... and puts more ketones in your blood....the only time your body will actually burn protein for energy is when your fat stores are used up and you are still not eating or processing carbs for your usual fuel needs... I'm sure these fat storage processes were acquired when we didn't always know when our next meal would be... we foraged for our food and we ate when we found things to eat....our teeth indicate that we have always had a varied diet...our proteins and fats may have come from grubs and insects and fish and shellfish and ggs and such but it was still protein....our acquisition of larger animals was probably pretty spotty...and I'm sure there were days when food was scarce..then we needed that fat for energy...but since we were always on the move, I'm betting the fat deposits were not very big....now, we do not have to forage for our food and our exercise is less and probably obesity(hate that word) is a disease of our times....bnut instead of just storing enough fat to get us by until the next day, our bodies are still working on the theory of saving our extra energy..but we don't usually need it and so the process continues day to day because it was once very necessary. Now there are a lot of other complicated things about body growth and maintainance.... we need vitamins and minerals and all those different things like insulin and thyroid hormones and enzymes, etc.. and I'm not even going to attempt to make a simple explanation...so don't think I think they are not necessary just because I don't mention them.... And now just a little about the " milk " contraversy...... all those animals that do not drink milk after infancy do not have a life span long enough to worry much about calcium and bone loss.... we are living much longer than we used to...it is my theory(only mine, so don't go thinking I'm stating facts and think you should do as I do)..just trying to explain why I do as I do...I am 67 and have osteopenia which is a step before osteoporosis.... I've actually taken care of elderly female patients who would just be standing still and a hip bone would fracture because the bone was so thin that it could no longer hold them up.... Now, milk is not only an excellent source of calcium but I think it is delicious... I also love ice cream, yogurt, cheese...all made from milk and a big help in keeping my calcium intake up in order to strengthen my bones...I also am now taking Fosamax to move calcium back into my bones.... calcium is also need for muscle action, including heart muscle.....there is also the problem with caloric intake and even though I'm content with nonfat milk, I take calcium supplements, too.... so don't drink milk or drink all you want..makes no nevermind to me...but next time your feet and legs cramp or if you fracture a bone because your bones are " thin " ... maybe you will think of this and wonder..better still, think about it now and take measures to keep your calcium intake sufficient for your needs... Guess this is enough " this and that " for now..... Later Goldie Goldie ..living in the Ozarks, USA, gswms@... http://pages.ivillage.com/gswms/goldiesveryownwwwindow http://pages.ivillage.com/gswms/goldiesenchantedrealm http://pages.ivillage.com/gswms/dragonslivehere --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- #70-Keeper & Frequent User of the Virtual Soapbox & Keeper of the Dungeon, for the Ancient & Honorable Emerald GSOLFOT, PI. ABC* www.gsolfot.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ----------------------------- Wise Woman of the Forest & Healer of the Realm Tiny Castles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TinyCastles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 In a message dated 10/25/2004 5:13:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amber@... writes: I'd love to discuss Fosamax with you but I was chastised for discussing herbs here, so guess I need to keep still. Hi Amber, There is nothing wrong with discussing herbs in this group. You told someone to give up their meds and go for herbs only. As I told you, we do not give medical advice in this group. hugs Eunice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 Goldie wrote: > I am 67 and have osteopenia which is a step before osteoporosis...I > also am now taking Fosamax > > > Later Goldie I love most of what you said and agree with most of it. I'm 66 and broke both legs in a horrific fall (similar to what Fidel Castro just did, if you saw it on TV - I think he broke a knee and an arm). I had a DEXA test after that fall and discovered I have osteoporosis, but it's not related to that fall. I'd love to discuss Fosamax with you but I was chastised for discussing herbs here, so guess I need to keep still. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 ERWachter@... wrote: > Hi Amber, > There is nothing wrong with discussing herbs in this group. You told > someone > to give up their meds and go for herbs only. As I told you, we do not > give > medical advice in this group. > > hugs > Eunice This has been a total misunderstanding. I never tell anyone to give up meds! I'm sorry if anyone ever took it that way. I always tell people to check with their doctors. It's been awhile so I don't remember exactly what I said but I probably said that other things could work as well as Rx, e.g flax oil and hawthorn work for some people with high BP. I'm a prime example of how well natural supplements can work for SOME people as I'm now totally off heart Rx and doing much better on herbs and supplements. And I did discuss this with my doctor before going off Rx as a trial. Natural products don't work for every one, like my husband for example. I promise to never discuss it again on this site. Amber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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