Re: A question about carbs

[Guest guest]

IMHO, 203 grams of carbs is at least twice too high.

I do low carb, and I keep my daily intake around 50 grams. I'm almost never

hungry.

You're right - after you've read Dr. Bernstein's book, you'll have some

different ideas about carb levels.

Robin G.

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: A question about carbs

>Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 04:13:50 -0000

>

>Y'all have already cautioned me about carbohydrate intake. I

>was sent home on the ADA diet, with a goal of a daily intake of no

>more than 203 carbs. I've already found that I can eat my six

>snacks/meals a day and stay very close to that limit. I'm hungry

>all the time, but haven't yet found anything else to eat that doesn't

>throw me over the top.

>

>Is this (203 carbs per day) considered high, moderate or low?

>No one's given me any other guidelines to go by, and I'm still

>trying to find ways to shave that amount down, but as I said, even

>this limit leaves me hungry all the time.

>

>I ordered Dr. Bernstein's book, it should be here sometime this

>week. Once I get that maybe I won't have so many questions. In

>spite of following the 203 goal mark, my sugars were still way

>too high tonight 1/2 hr. before my 10 p.m. injection. They were

>413....and here I thought I'd been doing so well. It's discouraging

>because I still don't have any regular or quick acting day-time

>insulin.

>

>Anyway, can anyone give me an idea of what the

>low/moderate/high ranges are, or where I can get that

>information online?

>

>Thanks again.

>Heidi

>

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[Guest guest]

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/ Dr. Bernstein's site

http://atkinscenter.com/ Atkins site

I do low carb - no more than 30 carbs per day, so to me 203/day is

high-carb. But eating low-carb means eating fat and protein, a lot. I

suggest you study the diets at these two sites, maybe try one for awhile

and see if it helps your bgs. At the very least, please try cutting out

the white stuff - rice, potatoes, bread, pasta, all sweets - and see

what happens. I really don't miss that stuff since I had a porterhouse

steak and green beans for lunch, chicken salad with *real* dressing for

dinner, eggs and cheese for breakfast and ended the day with bg of 110.

When I was dx'd the bg was a little over 300 (November 1). But I also

take oral meds, so it's not all due to the diet, but when I eat too many

carbs the bgs go way up. Oh, yeah, I am not hungry. The fat intake

does not contribute to blood sugar counts but sure tastes good. I'm

also losing about 5 lbs./mo, and have 11 lbs. to go to goal.

CarolR

hhessgriffeth wrote:

> Y'all have already cautioned me about carbohydrate intake. I

> was sent home on the ADA diet, with a goal of a daily intake of no

> more than 203 carbs. I've already found that I can eat my six

> snacks/meals a day and stay very close to that limit. I'm hungry

> all the time,

[Guest guest]

Carol,

Interesting that you and Robin are able to get along with such

low carbs. I understand that you rely upon fats and proteins, and

that's where my problem lies. I can't go high on fats, I've got

chronic pancreatitis and am limited to no more than 25 grams of

fat a day, and often even too high protein is difficult for CP. The

CP diet is low-fat, high carbs.

I guess I can understand now why the doctors said I was going

to be such a complex case! The Adkins diet is totally out of the

question for my individual needs, unfortunately.

I'll check out Bernstein's website and see what I can learn. I've

already cut out many of the the whites and plan to do more.

Heidi

I do low carb - no more than 30 carbs per day, so to me 203/day

is high-carb. But eating low-carb means eating fat and protein,

a lot.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Lots of people are hungry all the time on a diet which contains that many

carbs. When you go low carb, the hunger lessens. Also, it's common for

people who are insuling resistant/type 2 diabetics to also be addicted to

carbs. So eating carbs/sugar just makes your body crave more of it.

Good luck, keep writing! Read Dr. Bernstein's book and the rest of us who

are lc-ing can help you along the way!

Caitlyn

type 1

[Guest guest]

IMHO, and in that of many others, the ADA diet is way too high in carbs. My own

doctor, as I've mentioned before, was shocked when I showed her the ADA

recommendations.

I'd suggest cutting out as many carbs as you can. If you're hungry, add

protean.

A question about carbs

[Guest guest]

Heidi, Bernstein is a type 1 diabetic himself, so has tested his methods

on his own insulin levels before prescribing them. You might contact

his organization about the pancreatitis problem and find out how they've

handled it. Two heads being better than one, a second opinion never hurts.

CarolR

hhessgriffeth wrote:

> Carol,

>

> Interesting that you and Robin are able to get along with such

> low carbs. I understand that you rely upon fats and proteins, and

> that's where my problem lies. I can't go high on fats, I've got

> chronic pancreatitis and am limited to no more than 25 grams of

> fat a day,

[Guest guest]

Good idea, Carol. I'm sure their are plenty more of us CPers out

there, as a good percentage of people with chronic pancreatitis

end up diabetic at end stage CP.

Heidi

Type 1, 7 days

You might contact his organization about the pancreatitis

problem and find out how they've handled it. Two heads being

better than one, a second opinion never hurts.

[Guest guest]

Heidi wrote:

<< Y'all have already cautioned me about carbohydrate intake. I

was sent home on the ADA diet, with a goal of a daily intake of no

more than 203 carbs. >>

Heidi, nearly all of us have been there, and we understand what you

are going through. I would suggest cutting your carbohydrate intake

in half, and if that doesn't produce the desired results, cut it even

further.

<< I'm hungry all the time >>

That's what the carbohydrates do to me too ... I call it " roadkill-

hungry. "

<< Is this (203 carbs per day) considered high, moderate or low? >>

It's somewhat low for non-diabetics, but high for diabetics. Average

U.S. daily intake is 300 g carbs. And I think that explains the

current epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/18/2003 12:02:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

hhessgriffeth@... writes:

> Good idea, Carol. I'm sure their are plenty more of us CPers out

> there, as a good percentage of people with chronic pancreatitis

> end up diabetic at end stage CP.

>

I had forgotten about that. My mom had diabetic blood sugars when she was in

the

hospital.

Part of the problem was she couldn't eat any food without causing severe

pain.

Even after the surgery to remove the pseudo cysts. She got her nutrition

through

IV and gastric tubes (lots of sugar in those).

It took her months to be able to eat half way normal portion of food and she

was very

thin. The diabetes was temporary. I'm sorry, I wish I remembered more

about it.

I think it is a good idea to call Dr. Bernstein after you get his book.

You'll see that

his logic makes sense.

Thinking good thoughts for you two.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Gayle wrote:

<< I understand about the fruit juice making your sugars spike, but

if it's the way I can get my fruit intake, it's what I'm gonna do. >>

Why would you be forced to drink fruit juice instead of eating fruit?

As the list of net carbohydrate counts for fruits indicates, there's

a big difference, so be sure to " spend your carbohydrates wisely. "

(Berries are a good choice.)

Susie

[Guest guest]

Gayle, I used to haul fresh produce out of California, and I've never

tasted anything better than produce picked just that day, and chilled

to the coldest possible temperature. Most of the produce was kept

just a few degrees above freezing, to preserve its flavor and

freshness. I think you will love the taste of refrigerated produce,

once you get used to it. Setting your freezer at zero and your fridge

at 40 degrees gives you a pretty good mix of energy efficiency plus

long storage time.

There are even special refrigerator containers you can buy to control

the amount of air/moisture in your produce (if your refrigerator

doesn't have controls on its bins).

When you drink fruit juice, you lose benefits like fiber, so probably

a sugar-free soda would be preferable to drinking sugary fruit drinks.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Fruit juices would be too high for most diabetics, running 23 g CHO

(grapefruit), 25 (tangerine), 26 (orange), 30 (apple), 45 g CHO

(prune) per 8 oz. cup, raw. The difference between fixing it yourself

and buying it already packaged would be you'd know what went into it.

You'd have to check the labels of bottled/canned juices, to see if

they've been doctored with sweeteners (many are).

Susie

<< if there is some good reason why whole fruit is not suitable,

would fresh-squeezed be better than bottled? >>