new to the group

[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that Atkins eliminates carbs only in the Induction phase;

later one adds carbs in gradually until one finds one's maintainance level.

Re: New to the Group

I agree with you. I don't want to start a debate but I've never believed

the Atkins diet is healthy. I don't think any diet (or food plan) that

completely eliminates certain foods can be healthy.

[Guest guest]

Atkins does not eliminate carbs - at any phase. The Induction phase

limits carbs to 20 per day, and after the first two weeks carbs can be

added at the rate of 5/day/week. There is an " add-back " ladder for all

foods, including grains at the end, which would be Maintenance. But

carbs are controlled for life - max for most people would be 100/day.

CarolR

Bruce Alan wrote:

> It is my understanding that Atkins eliminates carbs only in the Induction

phase;

[Guest guest]

Hello, I have had vestibulitis for 3 years.I have been to numerous

doctors and none have really helped me. Can anyone tell me if

vestibulitis includes burning on the outside of the vagina or just

pain around the vulva? I have had alot of burning on the entrance of

the vagina and burning with urination. Does anyone else experience

this problem? Thank you!!!

[Guest guest]

Hello!

Those are symptoms of Vestibulitis. It includes the entrance to the vagina, the urhethra etc. Vulvodynia, I believe, includes the whole vulvar area. My symptoms are also pain around the entrance and burning when I pee. I have found success with biofeedback, being conscious of muscle tension and releasing it, and "desensitizing" the entrance by using light pressure every day all around. I also use a cream called Emla around the entrance and the urethra for the burning.

new to the group

Hello, I have had vestibulitis for 3 years.I have been to numerous doctors and none have really helped me. Can anyone tell me if vestibulitis includes burning on the outside of the vagina or just pain around the vulva? I have had alot of burning on the entrance of the vagina and burning with urination. Does anyone else experience this problem? Thank you!!!*****END OF MESSAGE/REMOVE WHEN REPLYING*****http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VulvarDisordersto search our archive or view our files.***

[Guest guest]

HI Frienda,

The suggestion that Lynn just gave makes a lot of sense if you've been on Birth control pills, it may play a large part in your problem (or not).... but I noticed you mentioned your doctor giving you Zovirax and then mentioned HPV... just wanted to clarify that it's a med usually used for Herpes hon.. and also that HPV or Herpes can have been carried even from childhood so virgins aren't excluded always, not too likely but it can happen.

Also I sure wouldnt wait that long to see a doc if it were me, I'd have been to 5 doctors by now if I had to, *chuckle* and I've done that... you might also try to call and ask about cancellations too.

Good luck hon.

Dee

[Guest guest]

Thanks for those links Lynn, I found them useful. I think that it's a

good theory to keep in mind. I just recently stopped taking Marvelon

for birth control. Did anyone find their symtoms improved after

discontinuing with oral contraceptives? How much change, if any at

all, did you notice?

To Fredia, I hate the wait too. I've been waiting since June for my

appointment in October with a specialist and my last gyn left me with

absolutely no information. I joined the group not long ago and am

grateful for what I've learned. Maybe if you hear about something

here that sounds like it might apply to you, you could make an

appointment with your family doctor and pursue it with them. My NP

has been supportive in helping me research things I'm interested in.

~Sadie

>

> > Hi!

> > Three months ago, I got married and immediately discovered I had

> >a problem. I am a nurse and I knew sex was not supposed to be

> >painful. I chalked it up to " first-timer " pains and ignored it. Two

> >weeks later, sex was still excrutiatingly painful and my husband was

> >concerned.

>

> Did you start taking birth control pills before this started?

>

> http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=12809

>

> For some women, the higher progestin in the pill vs estrogen is the

> cause of vestibulitis. The worst being all progestin pills such as

> depo provera. The pill puts you into a chemical menopause and for

> some women, vulvar pain comes along with it.

>

> In the files section of our group, there is a listing of pills that

> are best to worst in choices for vulvar pain. Best would be ortho

> evra patch, ortho cyclen (not tri cyclen) etc.

> Here is the link to the file but you have to log in first using your

> yahoo id. This information is based on " Screaming To Be Heard " by Dr.

> Vliet. She feels that higher progestin pills affects the

> vulvar are and always suggest trying a higher estrogen vs progestin

> ratio pill.

>

> http://f4.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oGBUQefBoo-

> vC7dKvFkSaCOfbzHzSVpCboAbw1y4inTvR0tsZbtt-

> 5_vyYSpDguAnnC3c0p49QIge5bnWg/Updated%20BC%20Pill

>

> There could be other reason but this one is to consider as well.

>

> Lynn

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for those links Lynn, I found them useful. I think that it's

a

> good theory to keep in mind. I just recently stopped taking Marvelon

> for birth control. Did anyone find their symtoms improved after

> discontinuing with oral contraceptives? How much change, if any at

> all, did you notice?

>

> ~Sadie

http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ALVUQSUWTOd-IwxaUgYHow8ve3xwDI-

X2izArbhPLiky8-oYvVI99ecEp1oN4DG2CrM0hQgprpmQBB53fQ/Non%20US%20Birth%

20Control%20Pill%20Ratios

Sadie..above is the link to our website files (vulvardisorders) for

NON us birth control pills. The higher on the list, the better the

choice (it reads best to worst choices when you look at it).

I have heard, depending on the length of time you were using it and

the amount of progestin..that it can take up to 1 year for your body

to return to normal. NOW...the chances of getting pregnant happen

much sooner so don't mistake that to mean you can't get pregnant

until the year is over. It's just how long it takes some women to

have their own hormones take over and get back to normal.

Some women on depo-provera (all progestin) never return to normal.

There is a group that is trying to have them take depo off the market

because of the side effects (some permanent) that they have from it.

Each person is different in their makeup so maybe switching to

another pill will help but it may not. Most women who have

vulvodynia that got it after starting a birth control pill are the

ones that benefit from switching or stopping. It takes time though.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/25/04 2:02:13 AM, VulvarDisorders writes:

<<My regular GYN prescribed me Zovirax cream to apply 3 times daily.>>

Zovirax is used to treat herpes. So far we haven't seen much evidence that

herpes caused vvs. If you ever used monistat or another over the counter yeast

medication, that is probably your culprit.

I'm not sure why your doctor would prescrbe Zovirax. Maybe as

anti-inflammatory. I've never heard of it helping anyone with vv/vvs.

<< I understand the prevalence of HPV with VV BUT there is no way me or my

hubby could have ever been exposed to that given our histories. >>

Just about everyone on the planet carries one strain or another of hpv

whether or not they have ever had intercourse. If you have ever touched another

person's genitals and then yours, or they have touched their genitals and then

yours - you could have hpv. If you shared a wet towel with someone, you can

have hpv. That said, hpv is no more related to vv/vvs than the common cold is.

You appear to have vvs and you might want to order Lidocaine 5% ointment from

a Canadian pharmacy and try the Lidocaine Cotton Ball Treatment. You can

find information about it in the archives.

Debbie

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