RE: Re: LDN - take with food?

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You're right Artie, he was probably giving 'textbook' advice for 50mg naltrexone! Just didnt look right, what you suggest makes sense. THX.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

>> I can guarantee you that THAT pharmacist has no idea what LDN IS or what it DOES. It sound to me like THAT pharmacist is a little confused. For them to say to take LDN with food puts up a red flag for me, I would make absolutely sure that LDN is what they gave me, and not something else like the last guy who got bug spray or whatever it was. I've NEVER heard that LDN should be taken with food. LDN is taken at bedtime, how many people eat right before getting into bed? It seems to me that THAT would cause even more unrelated problems. You're right, some medications should be taken with food, but I dont think LDN is one of them. --Dave,I've always thought that too and it's how I've taken my LDN for these last 16 months. I just now did a Google.com search and I find that Naltrexone, when taking in 50 mg doses for alcohol/opiate addiction, should be administered with food so perhaps that pharmacist wasn't totally wrong. Considering the dosage we take is so small it is probably safe to say with or without food is okay.Artie

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I kno what you mean!

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

>> You're right Artie, he was probably giving 'textbook' advice for 50mg naltrexone! Just didnt look right, what you suggest makes sense. THX.> ----- Original Message ----- --Well, you're right about eating before bedtime. I wouldn't recommend it.I try to keep my fluids/solids intake time before 8:30PM. Sometimes I'm successful, sometimes not. A.

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It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm

and 12. It initiates a blockade of the

opiate receptors in the immune system

between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade

of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is

supposed to stimulate the body's own

production of endorphins, bring them

to a higher, more normal level over

time so they will up-regulate the

immune system.

N-

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The following info is from the www.low dose naltrexone.org website. Just for clarification.

regards, Arlene

What dosage and frequency should my physician prescribe?

The usual adult dosage is 4.5mg taken once daily at night. Because of the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime.

The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune system by causing an increase in endorphin and enkephalin production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins circulating in their blood in the following days.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "nstubbs1@..." <nstubbs1@...> > It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm > and 12. It initiates a blockade of the > opiate receptors in the immune system > between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade > of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is > supposed to stimulate the body's own > production of endorphins, bring them > to a higher, more normal level over > time so they will up-regulate the > immune system. > N- > > > >

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What was this answer pertaining to, what was the question? that gave this answer.

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LOL, this is really getting way out there now!

One more time: The original poster commented that they were instructed by their pharmacist to take their LDN at 9 pm WITH food. The poster commented that THAT sounded a little odd to them, and was wondering if we all took our LDN with food. The question has nothing to do with upset stomachs, or with eating patterns, or anything even close to any of that. The poster wasnt asking if they COULD take their LDN with food, they were wondering if they SHOULD take it with food. The answers are all the same, but they're answering a question that isnt getting asked!

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

As a former ICU Cardiac Nurse, my experience with meds is if the patient's stomach becomes upset with a certain med, they should take it with food. If not, they were given their pills and other meds before 8am then came breakfast. If they were NPO (nothing by mouth) after 12 midnight, no meds were given until the docs changed the orders. Take LDN with or without food. It makes no difference. It all gets sorted out in the small intestine any way. Some meds are absorbed directly in the stomach. Whatever floats your boat!

Ed

arlizotte@... wrote:

The following info is from the www.low dose naltrexone.org website. Just for clarification.

regards, Arlene

What dosage and frequency should my physician prescribe?

The usual adult dosage is 4.5mg taken once daily at night. Because of the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime.

The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune system by causing an increase in endorphin and enkephalin production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins circulating in their blood in the following days.

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "nstubbs1@..." <nstubbs1@...> > It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm > and 12. It initiates a blockade of the > opiate receptors in the immune system > between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade > of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is > supposed to stimulate the body's own > production of endorphins, bring them > to a higher, more normal level over > time so they will up-regulate the > immune system. > N- > > > >

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Here we go again with LOL DAVE, making a mountain out of a mole hill. ASK the pharmacist. Sounds like the pharmacist is playing it safe. If you take it with food, no stomach upset. It is simple, not "way out there." ONE more time, IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! FYI, I take mine on an empty stomach at 11pm. Next time provide something helpful and useful instead of bashing people. If you read my post I answered the COULD (yes) and the SHOULD (it doesn't matter). Ed Dave Carlin <davizona@...> wrote: LOL, this is really getting way out there now! One more time: The original poster commented that they were instructed by their pharmacist to take their LDN at 9 pm WITH food. The poster commented that THAT sounded a little odd to them, and was wondering if we all took our LDN with food. The question has nothing to do with upset stomachs, or with eating patterns, or anything even close to any of that. The poster wasnt asking if they COULD take their LDN with food, they were wondering if they SHOULD take it with food. The answers are all the same, but they're answering a question that isnt getting asked! [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food? As a former ICU Cardiac Nurse, my experience with meds is if the patient's stomach becomes upset with a certain med, they should take it with food. If not, they were given their pills and other meds before 8am then came breakfast. If they were NPO (nothing by mouth) after 12 midnight, no meds were given until the docs changed the orders. Take LDN with or without food. It makes no difference. It all

gets sorted out in the small intestine any way. Some meds are absorbed directly in the stomach. Whatever floats your boat! Ed arlizotte@... wrote: The following info is from the www.low dose naltrexone.org website. Just for clarification. regards, Arlene What dosage and frequency should my physician prescribe? The usual adult dosage is 4.5mg taken once daily at night. Because of the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime. The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune system by causing an increase in endorphin and enkephalin production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins circulating in their blood in the following days. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "nstubbs1@..." <nstubbs1@...> > It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm > and 12. It initiates a blockade of the > opiate receptors in the immune system > between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade > of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is > supposed to stimulate the body's own > production of

endorphins, bring them > to a higher, more normal level over > time so they will up-regulate the > immune system. > N- > > > >

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never heard of transdermal LDN, how is it applied and is it like on a

patch? sounds interesting do you think it works better?

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>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:41:04 EDT

>

>Dr McCandless has parents apply transdermal LDN to sleeping children

>between

>9 pm and 11 pm. But, that's transdermal rather than oral, which requires

>digestive action

>

>mjh

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It is a cream drawn up in a syringe minus

the needle. I apply it to the inside of

his forearm at bedtime. McCandless has

it compounded at a pharmacy in Savannah, Ga.

That's were we buy it. It is shipped to us just

outside of Atlanta. Very reasonable price

There may be other pharmacies, I would imagine

but don't konw. It is very pure as dictated

by the needs of the autistic population, who

often react adversely to fillers, etc. in

drugs.

My son has been on it for a month, we

just gradually increased until full dose

this week. He had an immediate improvement

in mood, much more stable mood, no doubt

the elevating endophin levels. According

to papers by McCandless, it will take four

to six months to see the full effect to the

immune system - his not responding appropriately

to various longstanding infections. Will be

glad to keep you posted.

, Fayetteville, GA

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its put in EMU OILcyndiOn Jul 10, 2006, at 12:39 PM, nancy millar wrote:never heard of transdermal LDN, how is it applied and is it like on a patch? sounds interesting do you think it works better?>From: foxhillersaol>Reply-low dose naltrexone >low dose naltrexone >Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 20:41:04 EDT>>Dr McCandless has parents apply transdermal LDN to sleeping children >between>9 pm and 11 pm. But, that's transdermal rather than oral, which requires>digestive action>>mjh>"The Basil Book">http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/. 

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the pharmacist from coastal compounding has been very nice sharing his formula that he created with Dr J - the oil is really important -moves those molecules right throughcyndiOn Jul 10, 2006, at 5:16 PM, nstubbs1@... wrote:It is a cream drawn up in a syringe minusthe needle. I apply it to the inside of his forearm at bedtime. McCandless hasit compounded at a pharmacy in Savannah, Ga. That's were we buy it. It is shipped to us justoutside of Atlanta. Very reasonable priceThere may be other pharmacies, I would imaginebut don't konw. It is very pure as dictatedby the needs of the autistic population, whooften react adversely to fillers, etc. indrugs.My son has been on it for a month, wejust gradually increased until full dosethis week. He had an immediate improvementin mood, much more stable mood, no doubtthe elevating endophin levels. Accordingto papers by McCandless, it will take fourto six months to see the full effect to theimmune system - his not responding appropriatelyto various longstanding infections. Will beglad to keep you posted. , Fayetteville, GA

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hey thanks guys, what about using it both ways by mouth and

externally,anyone do both? Do you think its better this way then by mouth?

>From: foxhillers@...

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>Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

>Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:38:24 EDT

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>Dr McCandless's transdermal LDN is naltrexone mixed into emu oil. A dose

>is

>extracted with a needleless syringe from the bottle and rubbed into the

>skin. No patch.

>

>I think she developed this transdermal with Coastal Pharmacy, check it out

>in the file of Autism_LDN.

>

>mjh

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> >Dr McCandless has parents apply transdermal LDN to sleeping children

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Okay, I just spent 20 minutes on the phone with Ray Solano, my pharmacist at Peoples Pharmacy here in Austin TX (512) 219-9499. This is what I asked him and these were his responses.

1. Q. Why do I take LDN at bedtime? A. Because when you're asleep your body produces endorphins and LDN helps it to produce more.

2. Q. Should I take it with food or without? A. Without. Taking it with food does not help in any way.

3. Q. Can I take pain medication with LDN? A. Yes, the pain medication will still work but the "euphoric" feeling or the "high" you usually get will no longer be there.

4. Q. How long do I have to be on LDN before I can see any significant changes to my health? A. At least six months.

He said LDN is the easiest drug for people with MS to use and the mistake people make is reading too much into it. I agree.

I'm not asking for any replies to this post. I just wanted to let NEW LDN users (and old) and potential LDN users, this is easy, good, and has great potential! If you do want to reply, reply to me OFF THE BOARD! lucdol@...

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

And here we go with know-it-all Ed the nurse.Completely ignoring the context of the question, and being a big jerk as usual.> The following info is from the www.low dose naltrexone.org website. Just for clarification.> regards, Arlene> What dosage and frequency should my physician prescribe? The usual adult dosage is 4.5mg taken once daily at night. Because of the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime.> The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune system by causing an increase in endorphin and enkephalin production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins circulating in their blood in the following days. > > > -------------- Original

message -------------- > From: "nstubbs1@..." <nstubbs1@...> > > > It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm > > and 12. It initiates a blockade of the > > opiate receptors in the immune system > > between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade > > of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is > > supposed to stimulate the body's own > > production of endorphins, bring them > > to a higher, more normal level over > > time so they will up-regulate the > > immune system. > > N- > > > > > > > > > > BR>>

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Davizona, Are you serious or are you just being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic, why? Standavizona2000 <davizona@...> wrote: If its taken at 3, then wouldnt it have already missed half of the 2-4 mark, IE 2-3, are you saying that anytime before 3 has a chance of hitting the latter half of the 2-4 mark, IE 3-4, or more accurately, say, 3:20, or possibly 3:30 to 4 mark. Just how close are we talking about?> >> > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep????????> ===========> > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way LDN > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at full > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > > __________________________________________________

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I'm completely serious. I've already asked if the LDN does any good past 1 AM, with no reply. states that if taken past 3 it wont be effective, so shouldnt be taken past 3. Sometimes I forget it and take it at 2 or 2:30. This all seems like a timng issue, obviously, but how close of a timing issue? Is there a break-off time, when taking it is pointless. I already understand the 'before 9', but what I'm not clear on is the 'after 1'

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

Davizona,

Are you serious or are you just being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic, why?

Standavizona2000 <davizona@...> wrote:

If its taken at 3, then wouldnt it have already missed half of the 2-4 mark, IE 2-3, are you saying that anytime before 3 has a chance of hitting the latter half of the 2-4 mark, IE 3-4, or more accurately, say, 3:20, or possibly 3:30 to 4 mark. Just how close are we talking about?> >> > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep????????> ===========> > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way LDN > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at full > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > >

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Same last name too, interesting, where are you from?

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

Davizona,

Are you serious or are you just being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic, why?

Standavizona2000 <davizona@...> wrote:

If its taken at 3, then wouldnt it have already missed half of the 2-4 mark, IE 2-3, are you saying that anytime before 3 has a chance of hitting the latter half of the 2-4 mark, IE 3-4, or more accurately, say, 3:20, or possibly 3:30 to 4 mark. Just how close are we talking about?> >> > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep????????> ===========> > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way LDN > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at full > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > >

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What program are you using? Give me your number I'll call you and walk you through if it's okay.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

How the heck do you do colors and stuff?> > The following info is from the > www.low dose naltrexone.org website. Just for clarification.> > regards, Arlene> > What dosage and frequency should my physician prescribe? The > usual adult dosage is 4.5mg taken once daily at night. Because of > the rhythms of the body's production of master hormones, LDN is best > taken between 9pm and 3am. Most patients take it at bedtime.> > The brief blockade of opioid receptors between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. > that is caused by taking LDN at bedtime each night is believed to > produce a prolonged up-regulation of vital elements of the immune > system by causing an

increase in endorphin and enkephalin > production. Normal volunteers who have taken LDN in this fashion > have been found to have much higher levels of beta-endorphins > circulating in their blood in the following days. > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "nstubbs1@" <nstubbs1@> > > > > > It is supposed to be taken between 9 pm > > > and 12. It initiates a blockade of the > > > opiate receptors in the immune system > > > between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m. The blockade > > > of the receptors between 2 to 4 a.m. is > > > supposed to stimulate the body's own > > > production of endorphins, bring them > > > to a higher, more normal level over > > > time so they will up-regulate the > > > immune system. > >

> N- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BR>>

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I'm from Pennsylvania. Where are you from? Are you the same as Dave Carlin? Who the hell is Davizona2000? Why do you use two different names? You have a split personality? I hope you aren't a skitzo!Dave Carlin <davizona@...> wrote: Same last name too, interesting, where are you from? Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food? Davizona, Are you serious or are you just being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic, why? Standavizona2000 <davizona@...> wrote: If its taken at 3, then wouldnt it have already missed half of the 2-4 mark, IE 2-3, are you saying that anytime before 3

has a chance of hitting the latter half of the 2-4 mark, IE 3-4, or more accurately, say, 3:20, or possibly 3:30 to 4 mark. Just how close are we talking about?> >> > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep????????> ===========> > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way LDN > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > system before 2am and if taken

later than 3am it may not work at full > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > > __________________________________________________

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No Dave, read 's post again, if taken before 9:00pm it will be OUT of your system BEFORE the working window of 2:00-4:00am

and if taken AFTER 3:00am if won't work to full capacity during the working window of 2:00-4:00am.

So............take it after 9:00pm but before 3:00am ....................

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Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

Davizona,

Are you serious or are you just being sarcastic? If you are being sarcastic, why?

Standavizona2000 <davizona@...> wrote:

If its taken at 3, then wouldnt it have already missed half of the 2-4 mark, IE 2-3, are you saying that anytime before 3 has a chance of hitting the latter half of the 2-4 mark, IE 3-4, or more accurately, say, 3:20, or possibly 3:30 to 4 mark. Just how close are we talking about?> >> > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep??????? ?> ===========> > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when >

endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way LDN > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at full > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > >

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It will still be in your system it just won't work full strength.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

lol, ok thx. (But what happens after 3?, sorry, dont hit me):0)))))> > >> > > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep??????? ?> > ===========> > > > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way > LDN > > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then

it's already out of your > > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at > full > > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > > > > >> > > > > __________________________________________________>

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gotcha, thx. :0)))

[low dose naltrexone] Re: LDN - take with food?

lol, ok thx. (But what happens after 3?, sorry, dont hit me):0)))))> > >> > > If you are on nights and sleep days wouldn't you work it in the > > reverse? Take a couple of hours before you go to sleep??????? ?> > ===========> > > > No, LDN must be in your system during the hours of 2am-4am when > > endorphins produce the most. Sleep has nothing to do with the way > LDN > > works. If LDN is taken before 9pm then it's already out of your > > system before 2am and if taken later than 3am it may not work at > full > > capacity during the 2am-4am mark.> > > > > >> > > > > __________________________________________________>