RE: Re: Glucose tab rise (was Glucose tab costs)

[Guest guest]

Glad I was able to help, Sandy, smile.

Interesting that you get a 10-point rise also. I get my glucose tabs at

Rite-Aid and the label does say " 4 grams fast acting carb per tablet " - but

nowhere on the label is there anything that says it raises BG 20 points per

tab...so I guess this may just be generally accepted information based on

averages - and you and I just aren't average, smile. Or maybe it raises

type 2s 20 points for each tab and 10 points for type 1s?

Are there any type 1s out there who have gotten a 20-point rise per glucose

tab? Any type 2s out there who get 10?

Vicki

In a message dated 01/13/2003 8:44:35 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

sandyb@... writes:

>

> Just an FYI addition . . .

> Walmart carries their house brand (Reli-On) of glucose tabs for under $5

> for jar of 50. They might also be available online. 4 flavors, I think.

> They claim about a 10 pt rise in bg per tab and that's what I've found when

>

> I've tested them on numerous occasions. (Aside: I've found the same 10-pt

> rise for all brands of g-tabs that I've tried.)

>

> It was due to Vicki's constant harping (in general messages) about glucose

> tabs a couple years ago that I gave in and tried them again after many

> years . . . and have been most pleased with the results.

>

> Sandy

>

[Guest guest]

It would be nice if more people answered my informal survey (so far, only one

type 1 did). C'm on, guys...how many of you type 2s out there - there must

be hundreds -- have taken glucose tabs for a low? And if you did ... did it

raise you 10 or 20 points? Or somewhere in between??

Vicki

In a message dated 01/14/2003 10:22:11 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

sandyb@... writes:

> >Or maybe it raises type 2s 20 points for each tab and 10 points for type

> 1s?

>

> Think you might have something there.

> I've also read that body weight and activity level can affect the amount of

>

> rise caused by a g-tab.

>

> Sandy

> T1 - 1979

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/14/2003 11:56:06 AM Central Standard Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> And if you did ... did it

> raise you 10 or 20 points? Or somewhere in between??

>

Well on my last time testing with a glucose tab I went up 2 points....thats

when we discovered that the ALA was effective in keeping me off insulin....

I think you have to test individually to see how far up each tab will raise

you. I believe that in a fasting state...ie more than 4 hours do a test and

record that number. Eat a glucose tab and test every 5 minutes until it

peaks. That should give you the points which divided by 4 will tell you how

many points each carb will raise you. Test again in 15 minute increaments

until you are back to fasting number or it has been 45 minutes which I do

believe is the tail of a glucose tab....in a type 2....

This is what I remember when I was doing all my testing.

Ressy

YMMV, ROFLOL, NAYY, DH, ^%$%#$$@ and any other of those things that apply

[Guest guest]

At 11:54 AM 1/14/2003, you wrote:

>It would be nice if more people answered my informal survey (so far, only one

>type 1 did). C'm on, guys...how many of you type 2s out there - there must

>be hundreds -- have taken glucose tabs for a low? And if you did ... did it

>raise you 10 or 20 points? Or somewhere in between??

>Vicki

So far, my lowest low has been about 75, so I haven't needed the tabs yet,

but do have some now in case. When my BGs were coming down from high

numbers, I had a couple of " virtual lows " in the high 100's and later in

the low 100's. Only once did I feel a need to take a tab, but did not have

any (ate a candy bar instead and it helped considerably).

I'll try to do a test here so and let you know the results.

Rick

[Guest guest]

I am type 2 insulin depenant / Advandia / Glucoghage meds diabetes... I

have very good results with Glucose tabs, Walmarts ... never thot to

check rise in bg.

Hugs, granny...will include bg check on tabs now!!

~~~Goofalah~~~

[Guest guest]

I'm a T2. I don't have lows. I've been carrying those tabs around in my

purse for a couple months and no reason to use them.

CarolR

[Guest guest]

CarolR wrote:

> I'm a T2. I don't have lows. I've been carrying those tabs

> around in my

> purse for a couple months and no reason to use them.

Ressy noted:

> Well on my last time testing with a glucose tab I went up 2 points.

Ressy then went on to discuss testing the effects of glucose tabs.

Glucose tabs are " just " a quickly absorbed sugar. That's good for what they

are for. The point is that type 2's are likely to have a very variable

reaction to them. A well controlled type 2 with significant remaining beta

cell function (or even a type 1 in the honeymoon period) might have a

minimal reaction in " normal " conditions (or even after several hours of

fasting) since their endogenous insulin production might offset most of the

additional glucose load. In this case, a disproportionately greater effect

might be observed from two or three tabs because of the insulin production

limitations we suffer.

I was diagnosed about 4 1/2 years ago with a blood sugar of 320. I have

been eating about 30 g. carbs/day for the last 4 years. I have never had a

hypo, and I do not use any diabetic meds, so I do not carry glucose tabs. I

have never experienced a noticeable blood sugar decrease from physical

activity -- even when strenuous or prolonged. I have found that a small

increase is as likely as any decrease.

Now, to theorize a little, if a type 2 really does go low enough for a hypo,

a glucose is the best correction since the glucose load is known and it is

easier to avoid a high and possible subsequent reactive low. Furthermore,

the presence of a hypo indicates the presence of too much insulin for the

available glucose, and a glucose tabs could very well be quite effective in

such a situation even if only a minimal increase was noted in " normal "

circumstances.

It certainly seems worthwhile for anyone using any diabetic meds to have

glucose tabs available. I would certainly have them available if I were

using any meds.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/14/2003 5:13:30 PM Central Standard Time,

macey110@... writes:

> Your

> theory above makes sense, but can't a low also be caused by too

> little glucose, and not too much insulin?

>

IMHO....see I got that in first.....it still is a cause of too much insulin.

Whether it is injected or floating around because your pancreas has released

a bunch in response to carbs...it still is the insulin.

Example....On Sundays I get up...eat very little breakfast and only

protein...work out hard on the treadmill....got to church and then go to

sunday brunch. I enjoy the meal....have bites of things I miss and even 3-4

bits of cheesecake...the real stuff. It probably has about 40-50 carbs for

the meal....I swallow my pills...got for a walk....and watch carefully around

4 hours later when without some intake my sugars drop rapidly....never below

60 but the steep drop can feel pretty bad if I am not aware that it is going

to happen and plan a low carb snack to counteract it. This is an example

of a " low " reaction in a type 2.

Without food our livers will provide glucose one way or another and without

evidence of liver disease should be able to keep it on a level...albeit

somewhat lower....playing field.

YMMV....ROFLOL....LMK.....etc...

Ressy

who is learning her internet language

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/14/2003 6:55:00 PM Central Standard Time,

DarkSonnet2@... writes:

> Tom, I am a Type II and was on Glucotrol for years (almost 16 of them to be

> exact), and yes, Type II's DO have hypos. I know from personal experience

would this low be the type from the sulf drugs??

ressy

[Guest guest]

Goofalah@... wrote:

> I am type 2 insulin depenant / Advandia / Glucoghage meds diabetes...

If you mean Avandia, there's been a warning issued to not use Avandia and

insulin together. Ask your doctor for advice.

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