Re: bad experience

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In a message dated 11/27/02 10:06:49 AM Pacific Standard Time,

shantiquarian@... writes:>

> I recently had a trip to the hospital for a kidney infection. While I was

> there they labeled me for a " carbohydrate controlled " diet. If the

> dietitian that planned those meals is the same one that does diabetic

> education she/he needs to go back to school. Have they never heard the

> term YMMV? Every meal they fed me raised my bs thru the roof.

> Breakfast started with fat free milk and oatmeal that could have been

> sucked thru a straw (I only eat rolled oats barely cooked), scrambled egg

> so dry you could choke on it and what I call " store bought factory mush

> wheat bread " toast (I don't eat bread) and just enough oj to wash it all

> down.

IMHO, they would have worked real hard to feed you something that was worse

for bg control than that concoction! How come they forgot the hash-browns!?

> Lunch was chicken floating in some horrible sauce with mushy peas and carrot

> squares on a bed of white rice, more of that horrible bread, and pineapple

> bits (the only acceptable item to this point).

> Dinner was more chicken this time with a even more horrible red sauce (I

> could have done without the sauce), 3 - 2 " boiled potatoes (I don't eat

> potatoes - bad YMMV), and baby carrots boiled to the state of " no food

> value might as well eat raw sugar " , more of that horrible bread, and some

> canned pears that were passable.

> Now other than the chicken which is acceptable and maybe the fruit (I hate

> canned anything) do any of you see anything wrong with this diet? Day two

> wasn't much better and after explaining YMMV to the DR he decided since the

> fever was gone and the infection was under control he would send me home as

> I would probably do better there.

> Carolyn

> Type 2, Actos & Insulin occasionally

It goes beyond YMMV. They obviously don't understand the concept of

" carbohydrate controlled " . They are, however, just following the " party-line "

with the ADA/AMA low-fat/complex carb diet that is still the prevailing

medical wisdom for diabetic treatment. What do the nurses say when they see

your bg's skyrocketing?

I recently heard a suggestion that we should get, in writing, what we will &

won't eat and have the Dr sign it. Then, give this to the hospital before

admission and get them to agree to it. That assumes, of course, that we don't

have a Dr who fights us on our woe. I don't know anyone who has tried it yet,

but if I ever have another occasion for hospitalization I will see if it

works.

Your experience is just another example why I avoid hospitals if possible.

They are so stuck in their ways that anything different throws them for a

loop. And, of course, who are we lay people to tell them how to treat

patients! I know in many cases we can do nothing, but diabetes treatment is

up to us, not " them " and we need to insist that we get what we need. It is,

after all our quality of life and life itself that we are trying to preserve,

not theirs.

This is like the experience I had some years ago when I was in for

gall-bladder surgery. The nurse was going to check my bg's and came at me

with a lancet in her hand. She jabbed it into the tender pad of my finger and

the pain was excruciating and the blood gushed. I let them know that wasn't

going to happen again and from then on they let me use my own lancing device

and tester. You just have to be assertive sometimes.

I am sorry you had this horrible experience and I sincerely hope you are

better now.

Oregon

Diagnosed T2 4/98

Controlling with L-C diet Only (Bernstein goals & WOE)

Average bg 100, Last HbA1c 5.6%

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What I want to know is how can they call this a " carbohydrate controlled "

meal?? If THIS is carb controlled, I can only imagine what an " uncontrolled

carb " meal is!

Glad you got out of there quick, hope you're feeling better.

If I ever am hospitalized and they serve me food like that I simply won't eat

it. Would rather go hungry. And I'd make a LOT of noise!

Vicki

In a message dated 11/27/2002 11:06:48 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

shantiquarian@... writes:

> Breakfast started with fat free milk and oatmeal that could have been sucked

> thru a straw (I only eat rolled oats barely cooked), scrambled egg so dry

> you could choke on it and what I call " store bought factory mush wheat

> bread " toast (I don't eat bread) and just enough oj to wash it all down.

> Lunch was chicken floating in some horrible sauce with mushy peas and

> carrot squares on a bed of white rice, more of that horrible bread, and

> pineapple bits (the only acceptable item to this point).

> Dinner was more chicken this time with a even more horrible red sauce (I

> could have done without the sauce), 3 - 2 " boiled potatoes (I don't eat

> potatoes - bad YMMV), and baby carrots boiled to the state of " no food

> value might as well eat raw sugar " , more of that horrible bread, and some

> canned pears that were passable.

>

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In a message dated 11/27/2002 2:40:49 PM Eastern Standard Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> If I ever am hospitalized and they serve me food like that I simply won't

> eat

> it. Would rather go hungry. And I'd make a LOT of noise!

> Vicki

>

I'm starting to get the hang of this carb thing.

What they would probably do if you refused to eat would be to give you an IV

drip.....sugar water.

Gotta watch those people. And they mean well too. That is scary.

Dee

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I have a very supportive doctor and I certainly hope he'll advocate for me.

And I work for the hospital.

Of course, I hope never to be hospitalized, smile.

So far so good.

Vicki

In a message dated 11/27/2002 9:29:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

TaiChiDee@... writes:

> If I ever am hospitalized and they serve me food like that I simply won't

> > eat

> > it. Would rather go hungry. And I'd make a LOT of noise!

> > Vicki

> >

>

> I'm starting to get the hang of this carb thing.

>

> What they would probably do if you refused to eat would be to give you an

> IV

> drip.....sugar water.

>

> Gotta watch those people. And they mean well too. That is scary.

>

>

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hello all

as it is i find Hospital food too bland. during my c-section in london once

the drip was off and i was human again my husb would bring me food from

home! I ate less quantity wise but then i was hardly in to heavy labour on

the hosp. bed!

here in saudi where i had my last 2 and was admitted twice more for

different reasons i used to get a choice of 3 menus and I could phone the

hosp kitchen and specically ask for what i wanted most of the cooks are

Indian so that helps since i speak 5 indian languages! Not bad for a free

bee!! though i still used to hoard yogurt and salmon just in case.

my sister inlaw worked in the same facility so she would bring in a salad

for me from home! they knew i was eating home food or getting Friendly

visits from the kitchen the dr's didn't mind some of the nurses made a few

faces. but at least my sugars stablised quickly after the opps. cheeky

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> What they would probably do if you refused to eat would be to give you an

IV

> drip.....sugar water.

**That's SOP in a hospital if you're diabetic. I've had that happen with a

couple of past accidents on the farm - broken bones, resulting surgery. If

you're delivered by ambulance to the emergency room, and after x-rays they

decide they need to operate, a glucose drip is part of the deal. They don't

want you going hypo in the middle of surgery, since you could die on them

:-). It's afterward that I feel a plan need to be in place with your doc's

signature on it regarding meals, doing your own meds, if possible, etc.

Hospitals are understaffed, and blood glucose tests and insulin do not get

done according to your schedule, but more like when they get to it. They

have to go from a place of safety, and higher bg numbers are safe for them

to a point - just not safe for your long term complications risk. Also (I'm

not technical, but there are explanatory posts in the archives), your blood

sugar can be high for a day or two without permanent risk factor rise.

Something about the glycosation (sticky stuff stuck to your blood somehow)

will reverse in a day, but not over the long term. OK, technical people,

time for a clear description please.

Barb

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Barb

The doing your own meds part wasn't that tricky. The nurse was a little

insulted that she had to take orders from me but they were afraid to tirgger a

hypo so I did get to be the BOSS in that department. There was enough

information going in the door to scare them into submission.

Carolyn

Type 2, Actos & Insulin occasionally

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> The doing your own meds part wasn't that tricky. The nurse was a little

insulted that she had to take orders from me but they were afraid to tirgger

a hypo so I did get to be the BOSS in that department. There was enough

information going in the door to scare them into submission.

**ROFL, Carolyn. I'm visualizing you wielding the whip!! Good job. I

guess that's what it takes <sigh>. We have to learn to be firm (tough?

beastly?).

Barb