vaccines

[Guest guest]

Funny you say this. I agree and I have often wondered about the role of

illegal drug use and its role in harming children. I am not sure we will

ever get an answer on that one because it requires self-reporting. The

risks and benefits of vaccines should be an easier answer but so much is

at play. I still think that a campaign for safe and informed vaccination

is a battle worth fighting.

bigcheech91 wrote:

>Regardless of anyone's opinion on the safety of vaccines, there are

>many reasons for infant mortality and almost none of them is related

>to vaccine use. Poor nutrition from the standard American diet,

>expensive prenatal care, drug use (legal and illegal), smoking, etc.

>etc. are all part of that ugly picture.

>

>What we all agree on is that we want REAL answers based on REAL

>scientific research, not assumptions and anecdotal evidence and

>mother's intuition. We are all flying blind here, and that's a crime.

>

>And this country is paying a high price in terms of skyrocketing

>special education and related insurance costs, lost productivity for

>those still impaired as adults, social costs from the negative impact

>on families, and on and on. In NJ, the autism rate is up to 1 in 94!

>The US is being penny wise and pound foolish. GRRR!

>

> in NJ

>

>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>>I know the whole vaccine thing has been thrown around before.

>>>>

>>>>

>>Bottom

>>

>>

>>>>line, I see both sides of the argument. No vaccines = more

>>>>

>>>>

>>disease. --

>>

>>

>>>>- In , Liz <lizlaw@>

>>>>

>>>>Hey Liz... " No vaccines = more disease " NOT TRUE... this is the

>>>>

>>>>

>>crap

>>

>>

>>>>dished out to scare us.

>>>>

>>>>I just want to applaud the parents on this list. 1 year ago

>>>>

>>>>

>when I

>

>

>>>>started down this journey, this tone of this thread would have

>>>>

>>>>

>>been

>>

>>

>>>>so different. Way Hoo!!!

>>>>

>>>>FYI.. Vaccines are ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUS as they are today. If I

>>>>could get just one " re do " in life, I would NOT vaccinate.

>>>>

>>>>But, because I did... I must go now and shove yet another

>>>>

>>>>

>vitamin

>

>

>>>>cocktail into my 4 year olds mouth, followed by the stinky feet

>>>>cream/chelator on his feet, etc, etc, etc...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I'm curious if you drank milk when breastfeeding. I did and both kids

had tear duct issues (as did I as a baby with a milk allergy), and while

few ear infections they had fluid that never left the ears which

warranted tubed for son. In our case anyway, I think milk was the culprit.

Haukoos wrote:

>I don't know... I'm fully vaccinated. I've even been vaccinated for

>hep A, yellow fever and all sorts of nasty things so that I could

>travel to the DR and to Nicaragua. And yet my 100% breastfed

>daughter who I kept at home and never went anywhere with was

>diagnosed with meningitis at the age of 1 month and spent a week in

>the hospital. Two weeks later there was the never ending pink eye.

>Later came the always present ear infections. I did everything " by

>the book " when it came to breastfeeding, handwashing, etc. So

>needless to say I felt a bit ripped off. ;-).

>

>But.... I'd do the breastfeeding thing all over again. The immune

>system benefits may not have worked out for us but I enjoyed the

>bonding and knowing I was doing all I could for my daughter.

>

>Kris

>On Jun 8, 2007, at 5:54 PM, bigcheech91 wrote:

>

>

>

>>So far, we have vaccinated our kids (although we may not do the MMR

>>with #4), but I agree that breastfeeding can be fantastic for the

>>immunity. Is it true that if mom has had the vaccinations, baby will

>>have some protection from her antibodies in the milk? My daughter,

>>who nursed until 2-1/2 has only had one prescription during her eight

>>years -- for pink eye! (And that was probably unnecessary, as most

>>pink eye is viral...) I don't give all the credit to breastfeeding,

>>but it certainly is remarkable.

>>

>> in NJ

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>Well Liz, This is my personal experience. I am a former research

>>>scientist in clinical trials. What I find odd is that no doctor or

>>>hospital ever offered us any side effect information or how to

>>>

>>>

>>report

>>

>>

>>>a serious adverse event. The hospital my son was born out

>>>automatically gave him Vit K (we did not have circumscision), Hep

>>>

>>>

>>B,

>>

>>

>>>and HIB witout our permission. We did not want any of these and

>>>apparently as parents we were not entitled to any prior info except

>>>to say we agreed to the hospital policy by admission. We had

>>>

>>>

>>wanted

>>

>>

>>>to hold off ourselves because I had a very serious reaction to a

>>>third (yes third,) MMR vaccine as an adult. It appears as if those

>>>of us vaccinated prior to 1967 were given a 'killed' vaccine that

>>>

>>>

>>was

>>

>>

>>>no longer effective and many folks that had two MMRs were coming

>>>

>>>

>>down

>>

>>

>>>with Mumps and Measles. So just the vaccine alone does not protect

>>>you as it works on building antibodies for immunities but does not

>>>raise immunity per say. So off I went, had my vaccine and then I

>>>could not use my left arm for a week, no one discussed it with me

>>>

>>>

>>and

>>

>>

>>>my doctor did not seem worried. I read later it needs to be

>>>documented via the FDA as a serious event. Skipping later - we do

>>>

>>>

>>no

>>

>>

>>>vaccines other than the ones our son was given, thinking we would

>>>wait until he could at least tell us what was wrong (we are still

>>>waiting ) and we did not do the MMR or any other vaccine that is

>>>supposed to give Autism or some disorder and we feed him organic

>>>foods and breastfed him for a year and he still came down with a

>>>disorder!

>>>

>>>One thing to look at is that populations of people exclusively

>>>breastfed were never studied against those formula fed and therefor

>>>

>>>

>>a

>>

>>

>>>properly controlled study is not really achieved. There does not

>>>appear to be anyone I know unvaccinated but breastfed that is ever

>>>sicker than the average common cold and all of them have traveled

>>>

>>>

>>the

>>

>>

>>>world. We read 'Evidence of Harm' my Dr. Kirby and decided not to

>>>vaccinate our daugther at all. In that book he points out many of

>>>the studies that had SAE were not discussed or given to the FDA.

>>>Again, being a lactivist, I feel that our bodies are designed to

>>>

>>>

>>get

>>

>>

>>>immunity naturally. I now teach natural childbirth and

>>>

>>>

>>breastfeeding

>>

>>

>>>and can sleep at night without the worry of side effects via

>>>vaccines. That is our personal choice and I wanted to share that

>>>hippy chick mentality.

>>>April

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What is the risk for seizure with pertussis vaccine in a child w/seizures? Its

my understanding this vaccine would not be a good idea for my child.

thanks-

" claudia.morris " <claudia.morris@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >>I know the whole vaccine thing has been thrown around before.

Bottom

> >>line, I see both sides of the argument. No vaccines = more

disease. --

> >>- In , Liz <lizlaw@>

> >>

> >>Hey Liz... " No vaccines = more disease " NOT TRUE... this is the

crap

> >>dished out to scare us.

> >>

> >>I just want to applaud the parents on this list. 1 year ago when I

> >>started down this journey, this tone of this thread would have

been

> >>so different. Way Hoo!!!

> >>

> >>FYI.. Vaccines are ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUS as they are today. If I

> >>could get just one " re do " in life, I would NOT vaccinate.

> >>

> >>But, because I did... I must go now and shove yet another vitamin

> >>cocktail into my 4 year olds mouth, followed by the stinky feet

> >>cream/chelator on his feet, etc, etc, etc...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey, I was put on acyclovir too! My neighbour has a son who plays with Mark and

she also had chicken pox while pregnant. Her child is diagnosed with ADHD, has

an IQ of 135, at 12 barely rides a bike, has extreme visual perceptual

difficulties, and extreme dysgraphia. He has NO problems with speech. Like my

child, her boy is an avid reader and quite advanced in that forum. They are

away on vacation right now but when they return I am going to discretely inquire

about whether he has diarrhea/constipation issues.

I was on a test study for acyclovir. They followed Mark's progress right up to

the age of 2 and determined him normal. The dyspraxia coincidently showed up 6

months afterward. I called a year after to alter the results they had taken

from my child but was told that the study had closed and new results could not

be added. I thought that was biased.

Wow, the more we share, the more we learn. The videos I purchased were at

http://www.autismmedia.org/store.html and the one I am speaking of is

" Gastrointestinal Issues in Autism, Vol 1 " . (worth the $8.00). I actually

ordered all of the videos on the site! The only knock I have against them is

that they are not dated so I cannot determine when they were made. Perhaps I

will find that info on the site itself.

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] Re: Vaccines

>

>

> So far, we have vaccinated our kids (although we may not do the MMR

> with #4), but I agree that breastfeeding can be fantastic for the

> immunity. Is it true that if mom has had the vaccinations, baby will

> have some protection from her antibodies in the milk? My daughter,

> who nursed until 2-1/2 has only had one prescription during her eight

> years -- for pink eye! (And that was probably unnecessary, as most

> pink eye is viral...) I don't give all the credit to breastfeeding,

> but it certainly is remarkable.

>

> in NJ

>

>

> >

> > Well Liz, This is my personal experience. I am a former research

> > scientist in clinical trials. What I find odd is that no doctor or

> > hospital ever offered us any side effect information or how to

> report

> > a serious adverse event. The hospital my son was born out

> > automatically gave him Vit K (we did not have circumscision), Hep

> B,

> > and HIB witout our permission. We did not want any of these and

> > apparently as parents we were not entitled to any prior info except

> > to say we agreed to the hospital policy by admission. We had

> wanted

> > to hold off ourselves because I had a very serious reaction to a

> > third (yes third,) MMR vaccine as an adult. It appears as if those

> > of us vaccinated prior to 1967 were given a 'killed' vaccine that

> was

> > no longer effective and many folks that had two MMRs were coming

> down

> > with Mumps and Measles. So just the vaccine alone does not protect

> > you as it works on building antibodies for immunities but does not

> > raise immunity per say. So off I went, had my vaccine and then I

> > could not use my left arm for a week, no one discussed it with me

> and

> > my doctor did not seem worried. I read later it needs to be

> > documented via the FDA as a serious event. Skipping later - we do

> no

> > vaccines other than the ones our son was given, thinking we would

> > wait until he could at least tell us what was wrong (we are still

> > waiting ) and we did not do the MMR or any other vaccine that is

> > supposed to give Autism or some disorder and we feed him organic

> > foods and breastfed him for a year and he still came down with a

> > disorder!

> >

> > One thing to look at is that populations of people exclusively

> > breastfed were never studied against those formula fed and therefor

> a

> > properly controlled study is not really achieved. There does not

> > appear to be anyone I know unvaccinated but breastfed that is ever

> > sicker than the average common cold and all of them have traveled

> the

> > world. We read 'Evidence of Harm' my Dr. Kirby and decided not to

> > vaccinate our daugther at all. In that book he points out many of

> > the studies that had SAE were not discussed or given to the FDA.

> > Again, being a lactivist, I feel that our bodies are designed to

> get

> > immunity naturally. I now teach natural childbirth and

> breastfeeding

> > and can sleep at night without the worry of side effects via

> > vaccines. That is our personal choice and I wanted to share that

> > hippy chick mentality.

> > April

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is a standard form that you use that does not specifically state

what religion you are and can be used in any State because of our

Freedon of Religion. Check with the local Holistic Moms Network groups

down there (FL)if you think I am making this up.

We have friends in Kissimee and Orlando that are in public school so it

must work.

April

[Guest guest]

Again, Were those babies healthy and full term, what other

complications did they have, were they breastfed, did their parents

have other contributing factors? It is hard to compare the number of

children because the known other effects are not stated. For the

record the flu vaccines are not normally the ones that prevent the

thousands of different types of flu anyone could get. A very immature

baby can get RSV which could have been avoided by keeping the number of

guests with nasal discharge or cough down and lastly not having folks

over to handle a baby as a newborn.

Check out www.mytinyhands.com for cool stop signs that tell

folks " Please wash your hands before touching mine " .

[Guest guest]

I used a standard form that stated my child was breastfed for a year

and our faith conflicted with the routine use of vaccines. I think it

might be posted on Barbara Flynn's web site. I have had no issues so

far, my kids are healthy, we travel and believe in God's design.

Ironically we are now just having our daughter's first ear infection at

age 21 months!

April

[Guest guest]

> That's an interesting take...what vaccines do they have for

meningitis?

I agree that breastfeeding might not prevent a child from

getting HIB or diptheria 100% but just think how much worse they

would have it without natural immunity. And apparently vaccines

alone don't supply enough or you would not have to have a booster

shot...something to ponder. And since we do not have any controlled

group studies it is hard to say how much more immunities are lost

simply to the risk factors of other issues such as environment or

exposures.

As Dr. Kirby points out there is evidence of harm in the data we do

have regarding our current vaccines which is why he wants safer

vaccine practices based on all the data presented, not just the ones

that market a drug as safe.

Again, it's every parent's wish to have the most information so they

can come to terms with informed consent.

April

ps. Read Mothering Magazine on the dangers of Gardisil that people

are so pro. Very informative.

[Guest guest]

There are lots of good books out on this issue

Evidence of Harm, By Kirby

What your DR doesn't know by Cave MD

A shot in the Dark

So many more you can google for other books.

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

[Guest guest]

I did check out the videos on the site and will likely be ordering. You

are so right, the more we share, the more we learn. One thing to keep in

mind, you really have to think about how you ask about poop. Aside from

the discreet concern, I have learned from trying to get family history

that people often don't recognize their own issues. My dad, for

instance, takes over one hour daily to pass stool. He thinks this is

normal because it has been that way for all of his 68 years. In fact I

recall stories of his mom putting laxatives in candy bars for him. Does

he have serious bowel disease now? No, but that piece of the puzzle

along with all the other info. could be indicative of the celiac or

celiac-like condition we are likely seeing in the family.

I recall looking for everything I could on acyclovir when we were

considering it. By then there was 7 years of data stating it was safe.

Since your son is 8 years older than my daughter I was likely relying on

the test study you cite. I discovered my chickenpox immediately (I knew

to be aware because 2 weeks earlier husband had chest pain, gastro

symptoms and a rash I touched which turned out to be shingles). In fact,

the bloodtests never showed it but it was obvious. My primary and OB had

a conference and decided acyclovir was the best alternative. I agreed. I

was scared but looking back, I was very sick for days, even with the

acyclovir. I firmly believe my daughter and I, perhaps both of us, would

have died due to complications of pneumonia without it and I believe the

best decision was made.

With that said, how sad that the information can't be out there. We need

informed decisionmaking.

As always Janice, it's a pleasure.

Liz

Janice wrote:

>Hey, I was put on acyclovir too! My neighbour has a son who plays with Mark

and she also had chicken pox while pregnant. Her child is diagnosed with ADHD,

has an IQ of 135, at 12 barely rides a bike, has extreme visual perceptual

difficulties, and extreme dysgraphia. He has NO problems with speech. Like my

child, her boy is an avid reader and quite advanced in that forum. They are

away on vacation right now but when they return I am going to discretely inquire

about whether he has diarrhea/constipation issues.

>

>I was on a test study for acyclovir. They followed Mark's progress right up to

the age of 2 and determined him normal. The dyspraxia coincidently showed up 6

months afterward. I called a year after to alter the results they had taken

from my child but was told that the study had closed and new results could not

be added. I thought that was biased.

>

>Wow, the more we share, the more we learn. The videos I purchased were at

http://www.autismmedia.org/store.html and the one I am speaking of is

" Gastrointestinal Issues in Autism, Vol 1 " . (worth the $8.00). I actually

ordered all of the videos on the site! The only knock I have against them is

that they are not dated so I cannot determine when they were made. Perhaps I

will find that info on the site itself.

>

>Janice

>

> [sPAM] [ ] Re: Vaccines

> >

> >

> > So far, we have vaccinated our kids (although we may not do the MMR

> > with #4), but I agree that breastfeeding can be fantastic for the

> > immunity. Is it true that if mom has had the vaccinations, baby will

> > have some protection from her antibodies in the milk? My daughter,

> > who nursed until 2-1/2 has only had one prescription during her eight

> > years -- for pink eye! (And that was probably unnecessary, as most

> > pink eye is viral...) I don't give all the credit to breastfeeding,

> > but it certainly is remarkable.

> >

> > in NJ

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Well Liz, This is my personal experience. I am a former research

> > > scientist in clinical trials. What I find odd is that no doctor or

> > > hospital ever offered us any side effect information or how to

> > report

> > > a serious adverse event. The hospital my son was born out

> > > automatically gave him Vit K (we did not have circumscision), Hep

> > B,

> > > and HIB witout our permission. We did not want any of these and

> > > apparently as parents we were not entitled to any prior info except

> > > to say we agreed to the hospital policy by admission. We had

> > wanted

> > > to hold off ourselves because I had a very serious reaction to a

> > > third (yes third,) MMR vaccine as an adult. It appears as if those

> > > of us vaccinated prior to 1967 were given a 'killed' vaccine that

> > was

> > > no longer effective and many folks that had two MMRs were coming

> > down

> > > with Mumps and Measles. So just the vaccine alone does not protect

> > > you as it works on building antibodies for immunities but does not

> > > raise immunity per say. So off I went, had my vaccine and then I

> > > could not use my left arm for a week, no one discussed it with me

> > and

> > > my doctor did not seem worried. I read later it needs to be

> > > documented via the FDA as a serious event. Skipping later - we do

> > no

> > > vaccines other than the ones our son was given, thinking we would

> > > wait until he could at least tell us what was wrong (we are still

> > > waiting ) and we did not do the MMR or any other vaccine that is

> > > supposed to give Autism or some disorder and we feed him organic

> > > foods and breastfed him for a year and he still came down with a

> > > disorder!

> > >

> > > One thing to look at is that populations of people exclusively

> > > breastfed were never studied against those formula fed and therefor

> > a

> > > properly controlled study is not really achieved. There does not

> > > appear to be anyone I know unvaccinated but breastfed that is ever

> > > sicker than the average common cold and all of them have traveled

> > the

> > > world. We read 'Evidence of Harm' my Dr. Kirby and decided not to

> > > vaccinate our daugther at all. In that book he points out many of

> > > the studies that had SAE were not discussed or given to the FDA.

> > > Again, being a lactivist, I feel that our bodies are designed to

> > get

> > > immunity naturally. I now teach natural childbirth and

> > breastfeeding

> > > and can sleep at night without the worry of side effects via

> > > vaccines. That is our personal choice and I wanted to share that

> > > hippy chick mentality.

> > > April

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think you missed my point regarding Florida. I realize Florida has

a religious exemption. My point was if your religious affiliation

does not have a specific statements/tenants against vaccines then in

Florida you are out of luck unless you lie to get your exemption. In

Florida you either vaccinate or you get a religious exemption. There

is no exemption for being opposed to vaccines. You have to lie and

state it is because of your faith that you are not vaccinating. If

it is just because you don't want to vaccinate then your child cannot

enter the school system. Now, if you can state that the church, etc

that you attend specifically teaches against vaccines, no problem.

Just go to the health department and ask for your form. What I was

saying is that I don't like that Florida takes the vaccine choice

away from parents via this policy. Parents only choice is to

vaccinate, join a church that opposes vaccines or lie about their

religion.

Legally in the state of Florida you must have a " blue card " (the 480

form) which is the state vaccine record. It must be filled out and

signed by a health care provider. If you do not have that form you

must have a religious exemption form (also blue.... Florida is funny

about the colors for their forms). So you must have one or the other

to enter any Florida licensed school, public school or licensed daycare.

I know for myself if I were to decide not to vaccinate in Florida I

would have a problem. My church does not teach against vaccines.

But it does teach that lying is a sin. So do I really haul my

daughter into the health department and lie to the staff to get our

exemption? That's not the type of example I think parents should be

setting for their kids. The religious exemption form does not state

a religious affiliation but you still have to go in and ask for it.

And in using it, asking for it, etc most parents are either stating

something that isn't true or implying something that isn't true.

Kris

On Jun 10, 2007, at 1:32 PM, April Larsen wrote:

> There is a standard form that you use that does not specifically state

> what religion you are and can be used in any State because of our

> Freedon of Religion. Check with the local Holistic Moms Network groups

> down there (FL)if you think I am making this up.

>

> We have friends in Kissimee and Orlando that are in public school

> so it

> must work.

>

> April

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't dairy free but since I hate the taste of milk.... I didn't

drink it, didn't have it on cereal, etc. I did have cheese and such

but probably less than once or twice a week. The dairy I did eat

probably didn't help matters much. ;-)

Kris

On Jun 10, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Liz wrote:

> I'm curious if you drank milk when breastfeeding. I did and both kids

> had tear duct issues (as did I as a baby with a milk allergy), and

> while

> few ear infections they had fluid that never left the ears which

> warranted tubed for son. In our case anyway, I think milk was the

> culprit.

>

>

> Haukoos wrote:

>

> >I don't know... I'm fully vaccinated. I've even been vaccinated for

> >hep A, yellow fever and all sorts of nasty things so that I could

> >travel to the DR and to Nicaragua. And yet my 100% breastfed

> >daughter who I kept at home and never went anywhere with was

> >diagnosed with meningitis at the age of 1 month and spent a week in

> >the hospital. Two weeks later there was the never ending pink eye.

> >Later came the always present ear infections. I did everything " by

> >the book " when it came to breastfeeding, handwashing, etc. So

> >needless to say I felt a bit ripped off. ;-).

> >

> >But.... I'd do the breastfeeding thing all over again. The immune

> >system benefits may not have worked out for us but I enjoyed the

> >bonding and knowing I was doing all I could for my daughter.

> >

> >Kris

> >On Jun 8, 2007, at 5:54 PM, bigcheech91 wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >>So far, we have vaccinated our kids (although we may not do the MMR

> >>with #4), but I agree that breastfeeding can be fantastic for the

> >>immunity. Is it true that if mom has had the vaccinations, baby will

> >>have some protection from her antibodies in the milk? My daughter,

> >>who nursed until 2-1/2 has only had one prescription during her

> eight

> >>years -- for pink eye! (And that was probably unnecessary, as most

> >>pink eye is viral...) I don't give all the credit to breastfeeding,

> >>but it certainly is remarkable.

> >>

> >> in NJ

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>>Well Liz, This is my personal experience. I am a former research

> >>>scientist in clinical trials. What I find odd is that no doctor or

> >>>hospital ever offered us any side effect information or how to

> >>>

> >>>

> >>report

> >>

> >>

> >>>a serious adverse event. The hospital my son was born out

> >>>automatically gave him Vit K (we did not have circumscision), Hep

> >>>

> >>>

> >>B,

> >>

> >>

> >>>and HIB witout our permission. We did not want any of these and

> >>>apparently as parents we were not entitled to any prior info except

> >>>to say we agreed to the hospital policy by admission. We had

> >>>

> >>>

> >>wanted

> >>

> >>

> >>>to hold off ourselves because I had a very serious reaction to a

> >>>third (yes third,) MMR vaccine as an adult. It appears as if those

> >>>of us vaccinated prior to 1967 were given a 'killed' vaccine that

> >>>

> >>>

> >>was

> >>

> >>

> >>>no longer effective and many folks that had two MMRs were coming

> >>>

> >>>

> >>down

> >>

> >>

> >>>with Mumps and Measles. So just the vaccine alone does not protect

> >>>you as it works on building antibodies for immunities but does not

> >>>raise immunity per say. So off I went, had my vaccine and then I

> >>>could not use my left arm for a week, no one discussed it with me

> >>>

> >>>

> >>and

> >>

> >>

> >>>my doctor did not seem worried. I read later it needs to be

> >>>documented via the FDA as a serious event. Skipping later - we do

> >>>

> >>>

> >>no

> >>

> >>

> >>>vaccines other than the ones our son was given, thinking we would

> >>>wait until he could at least tell us what was wrong (we are still

> >>>waiting ) and we did not do the MMR or any other vaccine that is

> >>>supposed to give Autism or some disorder and we feed him organic

> >>>foods and breastfed him for a year and he still came down with a

> >>>disorder!

> >>>

> >>>One thing to look at is that populations of people exclusively

> >>>breastfed were never studied against those formula fed and therefor

> >>>

> >>>

> >>a

> >>

> >>

> >>>properly controlled study is not really achieved. There does not

> >>>appear to be anyone I know unvaccinated but breastfed that is ever

> >>>sicker than the average common cold and all of them have traveled

> >>>

> >>>

> >>the

> >>

> >>

> >>>world. We read 'Evidence of Harm' my Dr. Kirby and decided not to

> >>>vaccinate our daugther at all. In that book he points out many of

> >>>the studies that had SAE were not discussed or given to the FDA.

> >>>Again, being a lactivist, I feel that our bodies are designed to

> >>>

> >>>

> >>get

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[Guest guest]

In regard to this statement " My point was if your religious affiliation

does not have a specific statements/tenants against vaccines then in

Florida you are out of luck unless you lie to get your exemption. In

Florida you either vaccinate or you get a religious exemption. "

My point is that the form you sign does not state your religion you

just claim it is in conflict with your faith and leave it at that.

They are not permitted to ask you what religion you are. Again go to

Barbara Flynns site for the form or join a local HMN group to find what

others did. A large portion of folks homeschool so it's easy but many

do not, especially if they have to rely on the services provided at

public school.

Anyway, I am not trying to push anyone to think like we do, but I

wanted to share my experience, just for the record.

April

[Guest guest]

Now that the first against vaccines has won, I wonder what the next

step will be. My daughter is old enough to have had vials with

mercury in them. But I think other environmental toxins are to blame

too.

>

> I have always felt it was the vaccines that caused my son's

aspergers, but since his injections in 1990, they have taken out the

mercury preservative that was suppose to have been the culprit. If

they really took it out. I had a doctor tell me the vial didn't have

that in it, I asked to see the vial, and read it myself, and it did

have it in it. He wanted him to have a TD at the age of 14, I

refused for years. Then finally they had a bottle without the

preservative so I allowed it. The doctor kept telling me that what

he might could get if he didn't get the injection would be a painful

death.

> All I could think of was how those vaccines have put him in so

much pain now with his aspegers. Didn't want to make him suffer

more. Some one knows for sure what is causing it, they are just not

telling us cuz it will be a real big deal, and somebody will have to

pay big for the mistake. They always told me to give my son Tylenol

after the vaccines because he may run a fever, well they were right,

he always had a fever, and he would be hard to get a long with and

deal with, be sick for days. I always dreaded them. pj

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Did they give him all 4 shots in the same arm?? YIKES! That would hurt! Just the mechanism of the needle piercing the skin would hurt. Did he receive a Tetnanus shot? They are notoriously painful. It may hurt and be swollen for a couple days. Mimsbrespoodles <@...> wrote: My daughter took Drake and signed him up for school Thurs and he hadto have 4 shots to catch him up. Fri his arm was swollen and red, hehad definitely had a

reaction to the shots.YOU have to wonder how safe the vaccines are.She took him to the ER last night when she got off work and noticedhis arm.

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[Guest guest]

What did the doc at the ER say? He probably needed some benedryl. I take shots weekly and after I've had a cold or something, I take a shot and my skin swells up and is all itchy. Then over time it lessens.

RoxannaAutism Happens

( ) vaccines

My daughter took Drake and signed him up for school Thurs and he hadto have 4 shots to catch him up. Fri his arm was swollen and red, hehad definitely had a reaction to the shots.YOU have to wonder how safe the vaccines are.She took him to the ER last night when she got off work and noticedhis arm.

[Guest guest]

After a 5 hour wait in the ER, they told her to give him benedryl.

Drake is allergic to antibiotics. The only one he has not had a

reaction to is the one given by shot or IV. I can't think of the name

of it at the moment so any reaction to a medication is a big deal.

Thankfully, it all worked out ok, and the arm swelling and such went away,

>

> What did the doc at the ER say? He probably needed some benedryl.

I take shots weekly and after I've had a cold or something, I take a

shot and my skin swells up and is all itchy. Then over time it lessens.

>

> Roxanna

> Autism Happens

> ( ) vaccines

>

>

> My daughter took Drake and signed him up for school Thurs and he had

> to have 4 shots to catch him up. Fri his arm was swollen and red, he

> had definitely had a reaction to the shots.

> YOU have to wonder how safe the vaccines are.

> She took him to the ER last night when she got off work and noticed

> his arm.

>

>

[Guest guest]

wow! That's great. Do you have to prove anything on the religious

thing? We are atheist, so I guess we could lie. I am not above it,

if it will help my 2nd son any at all.

When my husband called the other day to cancel my 8 month olds most

recent appt (because there would be shots) of course the nurse argued

w/ him. They won't let the childen attend school here w/out the

shots. My 5 year old had all of his (of course, he has Autism).. but

there is no way we are giving these to out youngest son, especially

if there is any chance of this happening again. There is no history

of any Autism or anything else on either side of our families, so we

know it's the shots. Both of my sons are very healthy and have never

been sick for anything, so we were surprised to find this out about

my 5 year old. He is not even hyper, but have fine motor skills

issues and delayed social skills.

I will see if we can try to just spread the shots out and see what

happens.. don't know if that will work, but it's worth a try.

Thank you both for your help!

Janice

Mom to Jayden (05-10-02)

Mom to Jarrett (07-31-07)

> i do not vax my kids and here in fla i claimed religious beliefs.

it helps

> my ped also supports no vax's

>

>

> April

> loving her beary special kids

> Tyler *11* (ADHD/Bipolar)

> *10* (ADHD/Possible Aspergers)

> Hunter *8* (ADHD)

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

When I first took my 6 year old ds for his shots I didn’t

do this and the ped bullied me and I ended up letting him get more shots than I

wanted. I always blame myself for not being stronger because that may

have been what tipped the scales and caused his autism. But I digress, I

found a book by Cave called What You’re Doctor May Not Tell you

About vaccines. There was a great schedule provided in the book along

with enough information on the individual vaccines for you to devise your own

schedule. We were asked not to come back to a doctor’s practice if

we weren’t willing to get the shots on their schedule. I was able

to find a doctor that was willing to let me vaccine on my own schedule for my 3

year old dd. She shows no signs of autism but probably has ADHD like me

and my 13 year old ds.

Hope that helps!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I work in the heathcare industry and MOST ped offices are fully aware

of the schedule put out by the CDC as an alternative. It is taught to

all new MD's and NP's in school.

Ask them about this.

>

> Hey ladies

>

> Have any of you used a different schedule for your children w/ the

> vaccines. My 5 year old has autism (i suspect Asperger's) and I

don't

> want my 8 month old son to go down the same path.. any suggestions on

> what type of schedule you all used? I see different ones on Autism

> sites, but not sure what I can get away with.. u know how the

doctor's

> are.. and school, etc.

>

> Thanks,

> Janice

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! Our pediatrician's office was very cooperative when I wanted to create an alternative vaccine schedule. I feel sorry for the Parents who have to deal with intolerance like that. It's OUR children.

( ) Re:Vaccines

Hello,

When I first took my 6 year old ds for his shots I didn¢t do this and the ped bullied me and I ended up letting him get more shots than I wanted. I always blame myself for not being stronger because that may have been what tipped the scales and caused his autism. But I digress, I found a book by Cave called What You¢re Doctor May Not Tell you About vaccines. There was a great schedule provided in the book along with enough information on the individual vaccines for you to devise your own schedule. We were asked not to come back to a doctor¢s practice if we weren¢t willing to get the shots on their schedule. I was able to find a doctor that was willing to let me vaccine on my own schedule for my 3 year old dd. She shows no signs of autism but probably has ADHD like me and my 13 year old ds.

Hope that helps!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Can I ask what shots people are referring to when they talk about

their kids Autism...

Don't know for sure about how my ds got Asperger's,

but when he was two months old he had his DPT shot, and a few days

later he was lathargic and just not himself (I mean newborns sleep

alot, but this was just too much), He was different.

My Ped. sent him to the hospital immediately and a pediatric nuero

specialst was brought in right away, and they had to do a spinal

tap, which was just about breaking my heart to hear him screaming.

They originally thought he had spinal meningitis. Thank God he

didn't, but they figure it was viral meningitis, which is still a

virus affecting the brains mengi, (I think thats right). But they

put him on iv and antibiotics and he was in there for 4 days.

Well, I have to say, after that, the pediatrician said he should not

get the P (which is pertussin and its for whooping cough) part of

the DPT shot anymore.

They can't be sure that's what made him ill, but it's very possible.

So, they figure why chance it? And I agree.

And there was rumour around that time that some of those meds had a

bad batch (but try finding that out)

My two other children (1 older, 1 younger, had all the shots and

they don't have asperger's)

So who really knows?

Good luck to all,

Sharon

> wow! That's great. Do you have to prove anything on the

religious

> thing? We are atheist, so I guess we could lie. I am not above

it,

> if it will help my 2nd son any at all.

> When my husband called the other day to cancel my 8 month olds

most

> recent appt (because there would be shots) of course the nurse

argued

> w/ him. They won't let the childen attend school here w/out the

> shots. My 5 year old had all of his (of course, he has Autism)..

but

> there is no way we are giving these to out youngest son,

especially

> if there is any chance of this happening again. There is no

history

> of any Autism or anything else on either side of our families, so

we

> know it's the shots. Both of my sons are very healthy and have

never

> been sick for anything, so we were surprised to find this out

about

> my 5 year old. He is not even hyper, but have fine motor skills

> issues and delayed social skills.

>

> I will see if we can try to just spread the shots out and see what

> happens.. don't know if that will work, but it's worth a try.

>

> Thank you both for your help!

> Janice

> Mom to Jayden (05-10-02)

> Mom to Jarrett (07-31-07)

>

>

>

>

>

> > i do not vax my kids and here in fla i claimed religious

beliefs.

> it helps

> > my ped also supports no vax's

> >

> >

> > April

> > loving her beary special kids

> > Tyler *11* (ADHD/Bipolar)

> > *10* (ADHD/Possible Aspergers)

> > Hunter *8* (ADHD)

> >

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[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

I would say to definitely call your doctor.  I am on Orencia and can get a flu

shot because it is a dead virus.  I can't get the shingles vaccine because it is

a live virus.

 

Joyce