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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 8 Causes of Night Sweats Medical Author: Conrad Stöppler, MD Medical Editor: C. Shiel, Jr, MD, FACP, FACR Doctors in primary care fields often hear their patients complain of night sweats. Night sweats refer to any excess sweating occurring during the night. However, if your bedroom is unusually hot or you are using too many bedclothes, you may begin to sweat during sleep--and this is normal. In order to distinguish night sweats that arise from medical causes from those that occur because one's surroundings are too warm, doctors generally refer to true night sweats as severe hot flashes occurring at night that can drench sleepwear and sheets, which are not related to an overheated environment. In one study of 2267 patients visiting a primary care physician, 41% reported experiencing night sweats during the previous month, so the perception of excessive sweating at night is fairly common. It is important to note that flushing (a warmth and redness of the face or trunk) may also be hard to distinguish from true night sweats. There are many different causes of night sweats. To determine what is causing night sweats in a particular individual, a doctor must obtain a detailed medical history and order tests to decide if an underlying medical condition is responsible for the night sweats. Some of the known conditions that can cause night sweats are: Menopause – The hot flashes that accompany the menopausal transition can occur at night and cause sweating. This is a very common cause of night sweats in perimenopausal women. Idiopathic hyperhidrosis – Idiopathic hyperhidrosis is a condition in which the body chronically produces too much sweat without any identifiable medical cause. Infections – Classically, tuberculosis is the infection most commonly associated with night sweats. However, bacterial infections, such as endocarditis (inflammation of the heart valves), osteomyelitis (inflammation within the bones), and abscesses all may result in night sweats. Night sweats are also a symptom of AIDS virus (HIV) infection. Cancers – Night sweats are an early symptom of some cancers. The most common type of cancer associated with night sweats is lymphoma. However, people who have an undiagnosed cancer frequently have other symptoms as well, such as unexplained weight loss and fevers. Medications – Taking certain medications can lead to night sweats. In cases without other physical symptoms or signs of tumor or infection, medications are often determined to be the cause of night sweats. Antidepressant medications are a common type of medication that can lead to night sweats. All types of antidepressants can cause night sweats as a side effect, with a range in incidence from 8 to 22% of persons taking antidepressant drugs. Other psychiatric drugs have also been associated with night sweats. Medicines taken to lower fever such as aspirin and acetaminophen can sometimes lead to sweating. Other types of drugs can cause flushing, which, as mentioned above, may be confused with night sweats. Some of the many drugs that can cause flushing include: niacin (taken in the higher doses used for lipid disorders), tamoxifen, hydralazine, nitroglycerine, and sildenafil (Viagra). Many other drugs not mentioned above, including cortisone medications such as prednisone and prednisolone, may also be associated with flushing or night sweats. Hypoglycemia – Sometimes low blood glucose can cause sweating. People who are taking insulin or oral anti-diabetic medications may experience hypoglycemia at night that is accompanied by sweating. Hormone disorders - Sweating or flushing can be seen with several hormone disorders, including pheochromocytoma, carcinoid syndrome, and hyperthyroidism. Neurologic conditions – Uncommonly, neurologic conditions including autonomic dysreflexia, post-traumatic syringomyelia, stroke, and autonomic neuropathy may cause increased sweating and possibly lead to night sweats. Reference: Mold, JW, Mathew If any of these ring a bell, or even if they don't, I'd discuss it with the doctor, in case testing is needed. Roni AthleticItaliano@... wrote: Does excessive sweating at night while in bed relate to any thyroid condition? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2008 Report Share Posted January 5, 2008 Could be; unless you were engaged in some kind of vigorous exercise at the time. You weren't doing pushups or something, were you? > > Sweating > <hypothyroidism/message/34364;_ylc=X3oDMTJxaHMwYWJ\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzQzNjQEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE5OTUyODgzMg--> > > > > Posted by: " AthleticItaliano@... " AthleticItaliano@... > <mailto:AthleticItaliano@...?Subject=%20Re%3ASweating> > athleticitaliano <athleticitaliano> > > > Fri Jan 4, 2008 5:30 pm (PST) > > Does excessive sweating at night while in bed relate to any thyroid > condition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I hate mornings to be honest. I have tingling in my arms and hands, so I have to wait for that to go away. I stretch and even when I get out of bed my body hurts and is stiff and sore. The Ohio weather changes affect me terribly. The anxiety, etc.. in the mornings could be from not getting restful sleep. There's things you could try, anything from medication to herbal remedies to meditation. I'm the one that sweats a lot, and my doctor said that they're not ruling out that Fibromyalgia could also have some metabolic issues. My Thyroid is off, so that could cause it (I'm now on medication for that and they check my thyroid level every 2-3 months.) Who knows.....you'd think I'd lose weight like that, but no, I couldn't be that lucky =). Nadine dixie1340 <missmagnolia2007@...> wrote: To the person that has such profuse sweating. Have you seen a doctor about this? I can't imagine they couldn't find out what is the cause. ( But i know how we with fibro go untreated too) If you are not in menopause, which can make you do that, I am sure you know, there is some test the doc could do it would seem.Also, does anyone else out there get up in the morning feeling just all out of sorts. I don't know how to explain it. anxious, panicy, plus hurting and sore? Is it maybe we don't sleep a restful sleep and it carries over to this feeling in the morning?Thanks, any comments. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 About sweating, my doc put me on atenolol (a blood pressure med) for the purpose of reducing the amount of adrenaline flowing through my system. I took atenolol for about a year. Not sure if it helped with the sweating though. It seems that once I start sweating - whether from exercise, extreme heat and humidity (Florida), taking a shower, blow-drying my hair, or becoming excited about anything emotionally, that I can't stop sweating unless I put a cold pack on my neck from the freezer or stand for a few minutes in front of a fan. I think it has to do with a malfunctioning nervous system (revved up) or it has something to do with the temperature regulation gland in the brain not reading signals correctly. I have another friend with fibro locally (another pianist) who has the exact same problem. I also had another friend (now deceased) who had a spleen disorder and her sweating was so bad she had to have a fan running on her at all times. Dominie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Hi Dixie. I absolutely know what you are talking about, waking up out of sorts. Many, many mornings I woke up with severe stiffness, followed by a terrible sweat, then feelings of anxiety and hopelessness and panic. These feelings would continue with my morning "routine" of getting ready for work until, on a lot of mornings, I would feel overwhelmed, break down and have a good cry, sometimes while driving to work! It's hormonal and has to do with brain chemicals, I'm sure. I have gotten rid of a lot of that anxiety and hopelessness in the last few months because I take lots of omega 3 and 5HTP. This has worked better for me than any anti depressant. I no longer have black, black moods (only on occasion and they don't last). Level of anxiety is much lower. I don't think there's anything worse than waking up feeling that the world is going to end. Helen PS - I still have the severe stiffness. The hot flash is a lot weaker.dixie1340 <missmagnolia2007@...> wrote: To the person that has such profuse sweating. Have you seen a doctor about this? I can't imagine they couldn't find out what is the cause. ( But i know how we with fibro go untreated too) If you are not in menopause, which can make you do that, I am sure you know, there is some test the doc could do it would seem.Also, does anyone else out there get up in the morning feeling just all out of sorts. I don't know how to explain it. anxious, panicy, plus hurting and sore? Is it maybe we don't sleep a restful sleep and it carries over to this feeling in the morning?Thanks, any comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I don't know , but I think there is something to what you are saying. We all sweat in our sauna, but my autistic son never did. He got red and lightheaded and would not last very long in there at all. Finally the doc said to stop taking him in there. Now, after much improvement and diet and healing, he asked to go in again and this time he actually sweat. Not a lot, but he did sweat and he was not dizzy or light headed. I've never kept him longer than 20 minutes, because I still think he is sensitive. Millie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 I am quite sure this came up before. Search the forum for sweat and see if it comes up. I think it is a link too. We were discussing how thigns seemed worse health wise for those who do not sweat very much. I don't recall us comign to any major conclusion and answer. jsut chatted about what we noticed and what we read. I am going to read it again myself > > I noticed another strange thing about my health, when I'm in a sauna, I only sweat on my face and upper chest. I see other people come out bathed in sweat, but I don't sweat like they do. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 My night sweats reduced when I dropped the dose a little. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Sweating As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. My testosterone, HG and LH are low. I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. Any advice? Thanks, Tom U Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 I haven't started any TRT or anytthing other than taking tribulex 750 for a month. Will the sweating stop when I start TRT or when the testosterone level balances? > > My night sweats reduced when I dropped the dose a little. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > Sweating > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. My > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Tom U > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Other things can cause night sweats, but I assume you have ruled out infections. How is the quality of your sleep? Sweating can occur with sleep apnea, and the apnea often shows up with low testosterone. Tom > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. My > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Tom U > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2008 Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Tom, Thanks. I am sweating while I am typing this post. My sleep seems alright for the most part. The girlfriend says I snore like a freight train and that I often stop breathing. So I suspect apnea. I have read that TRT complicates apnea. How does that reconcile with low testosterone pairing with apnea. I had hoped that TRT would reduce or eliminate apnea if I have it. Sleep study to follow. Thanks, Tom U > > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. > My > > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have > > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > > > Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom U > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Check your E2. It is probably too high. When mine is too high or too low I get the sweats. It messes up my T:E ratio/ I like to keep it between 30 and 50:1 > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. My > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > Tom U > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 The sweating a lot can be many things one big one is a problem with Adrenals if they are over worked and not making enough hormones your body can dump your sodium you end up dehydrated and crave salt. But the more table salt you take the worse this can get. Your best bet is to test your Cortisol, Aldosterone, Renin and Thyroid doing a morning fasting blood test. To help with this try a tsp full of good Sea Salt in a glass of water first thing in the morning. If this helps try it when you drink a big glass of water say 3 x's a day. Here is a link on doing the lab test and some links about this. http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/aldosterone/test.html http://www.geocities.com/chrisgjsbcglobal (DOT) net/Aldosterone_Stickies.html http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html I have been on TRT over 25 yrs and can tell you this you need to find out way your low before you go on testosterone meds because when you do go on them you can't find out why your low. I went 23 being told my T levels were low do to my Testis not working right. I found out 2 yrs ago that my problem is not my testis but my Pituitary Gland in my brain. I had this sweating and feeling very hot problem and was told it was do to being on TRT then told it was High Estradiol. Treating the high Estradiol helped with this but did not fix it. In time it got so back I could not take the heat of summer or even cut the grass in the heat would feel like I would pass out. Here is a link to labs I tell men to get done at my Thyroid Forum. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059 Now that I know I am Hypopituitary and treat all the hormones that show up low normal I finely feel better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: tomubl <ubl@...> > Subject: Re: Sweating > > Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:03 PM > I haven't started any TRT or anytthing other than taking > tribulex 750 > for a month. > > Will the sweating stop when I start TRT or when the > testosterone > level balances? > > > > > > My night sweats reduced when I dropped the dose a > little. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > Sweating > > > > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called > hemochromatosis. My > > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. > LAtely I have > > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting > worse. > > > > Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom U > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I have been told by my wife that I started to snore very bad and stop breathing some times. There is no way I can use them machines for apnea and found I do this if I take a Xanax or Pain pill at bed time. Even a Drink so I try not to use them and put on a noise strip to help with the snoring. Reto says to sew a tennis ball into your T-shirt so when you lay on your back it will keep you on your side this works. Plus I lost 50 lbs and this stopping breathing is gone. Same for my wife she was on the apnea machine and felt she was not sleeping at all she kept waking up and ripping the mask off her face. To sleep like this is very hard she lost 40 lbs and the problem is gone. I here this works to can be done in a Dr.s office. http://www.restoremedical.com/pillar-procedure/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: tomubl <ubl@...> > Subject: Re: Sweating > > Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 12:18 AM > Tom, > > Thanks. I am sweating while I am typing this post. My > sleep seems > alright for the most part. The girlfriend says I snore > like a > freight train and that I often stop breathing. So I > suspect apnea. > > I have read that TRT complicates apnea. How does that > reconcile with > low testosterone pairing with apnea. I had hoped that TRT > would > reduce or eliminate apnea if I have it. Sleep study to > follow. > > Thanks, > > Tom U > > > > > > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease > called > hemochromatosis. > > My > > > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > > > > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my > head. LAtely I > have > > > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats > getting worse. > > > > > > Any advice? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom U > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 I started taking GABA before bedtime recently and my GF said since then the apnea seems to be much less. I don't know how it relates but the apnea can worsen the hematocrit level significantly so Bonus! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Sweating Tom, Thanks. I am sweating while I am typing this post. My sleep seems alright for the most part. The girlfriend says I snore like a freight train and that I often stop breathing. So I suspect apnea. I have read that TRT complicates apnea. How does that reconcile with low testosterone pairing with apnea. I had hoped that TRT would reduce or eliminate apnea if I have it. Sleep study to follow. Thanks, Tom U > > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called hemochromatosis. > My > > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I have > > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > > > Any advice? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom U > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2008 Report Share Posted September 7, 2008 Thanks Randy. Hi estradiol can cause night sweats, and so can apnea. The complications of apnea and TRT need to be monitored by a competent physician, and do not be surprised if someone able to addres both problems is hard to find. The problem is that the long held wisdom is that the TRT can worsen the apnea, by mechanisms I am not sure of. I think that Phil's suggestion of weight loss is right on and works for many of us. What I can say for sure is that apnea can kill you over time, and if there is low T you feel lousy as you go down. Tom > > > > > > As mentioned I have an iron overload disease called > hemochromatosis. > > My > > > testosterone, HG and LH are low. > > > > > > I use to get sweats isolated on the back of my head. LAtely I > have > > > been sweating like crazy and the night sweats getting worse. > > > > > > Any advice? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tom U > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Phil, In response to your reference below; I am not sure anyone can tell me why. The only logical way is via deduction and not identification of the cause. The iron overload caused by the hemochromatosis is know to ravage the pituitary. Now that I am deironed, there will not be a physical presence of heme iron. There are documented cases that show normal MRI's of the pituitary without scares or lesions and the anterior lobe is not signaling correctly. My testosterone, LH and GH have been below range now for well over 2 years probably as much as 10 years. I am not sure if my anterior lobe is not signaling, but my hormones are whacked and coming from many years of wrestling and athletics I can't handle being a fat train wreck. Time to set things right. I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in Gainsville and have them do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just seems to me that my levels are low and regardless of what is the cause they need to be addressed soonest. This is way I asked if anyone is tracking the advances at USC where stems planted on a mouse pit took on pit character. It yeilds the questions: 1) did it raise hormone levels, and 2) is it lasting. Tom U I have been on TRT over 25 yrs and can tell you this you need to find out way your low before you go on testosterone meds because when you do go on them you can't find out why your low. Now that I know I am Hypopituitary and treat all the hormones that show up low normal I finely feel better. > > Co-Moderator > Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 On Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:12:08 -0000, you wrote: >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in Gainsville and have them >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just seems to me that my >levels are low and regardless of what is the cause they need to be >addressed soonest. Once you know you don't have adenomas in the pituitary there's nothing really to be gained by looking harder at the pituitary. Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, meaning essentially " who the fuck knows why " . You are right, once you know your levels and can rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or ferritin/iron exposure, and perhaps determine primary secondary, treatment becomes the issue. Spending lots of money and time finding a illusive why will almost certainly not change the treatment. That said however with an iron issue, you may want to see if you're body can restart or climb to natural levels again rather than becoming dependent on a life time of replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 How long to wait to see if the levels will come back up since I am phlebotomized to anemic levels and have had my Fe down for well over a year. I am a fat ass and even with 1200-1500 calorie diets, goat yogurt, flax, RO water, Tribuplex (although the trib did elevate my test by 50 points to 242. I am 44, I do not want children, but would like to get my energy and ability to function back. What makes it worse is I have been in athletics since I was 6, always lifted, weight room super at FSU and the contrast of being on the bench in life is too much. I have been carrying this weight for over 10 years now not knowing. Initially I thought I burned out my metabolism from bouncing weight classes for wrestling, which they seem to have more restrictions now. I do not look forward to having to go through the hassle of acuriing and administering a replacement program, but I feel like half a person and want a sweat free life back where my metabolism actually responds. If there is a work around I need to know about it now. I meet with the doc on Wednesday and will get the sleep study ordered, plus an entire new set of hormone focused test IAW the test recommended by your link and in the files here. You have no idea how much I appreciate everyone's input. Coming back from 50% paralysis was a bitch, but I am here for whatever reason and I want as much out of life as I can get and it starts with a respecable BMI, energy and at least some normalilty. Many Thanks, Tom U > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in Gainsville and have them > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just seems to me that my > >levels are low and regardless of what is the cause they need to be > >addressed soonest. > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in the pituitary there's nothing > really to be gained by looking harder at the pituitary. > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, meaning essentially " who > the fuck knows why " . You are right, once you know your levels and can > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or ferritin/iron exposure, and > perhaps determine primary secondary, treatment becomes the issue. > Spending lots of money and time finding a illusive why will almost > certainly not change the treatment. > > That said however with an iron issue, you may want to see if you're > body can restart or climb to natural levels again rather than becoming > dependent on a life time of replacement. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Good luck Tom! Be sure a complete thyroid panel is on that list. Re: Sweating How long to wait to see if the levels will come back up since I am phlebotomized to anemic levels and have had my Fe down for well over a year. I am a fat ass and even with 1200-1500 calorie diets, goat yogurt, flax, RO water, Tribuplex (although the trib did elevate my test by 50 points to 242. I am 44, I do not want children, but would like to get my energy and ability to function back. What makes it worse is I have been in athletics since I was 6, always lifted, weight room super at FSU and the contrast of being on the bench in life is too much. I have been carrying this weight for over 10 years now not knowing. Initially I thought I burned out my metabolism from bouncing weight classes for wrestling, which they seem to have more restrictions now. I do not look forward to having to go through the hassle of acuriing and administering a replacement program, but I feel like half a person and want a sweat free life back where my metabolism actually responds. If there is a work around I need to know about it now. I meet with the doc on Wednesday and will get the sleep study ordered, plus an entire new set of hormone focused test IAW the test recommended by your link and in the files here. You have no idea how much I appreciate everyone's input. Coming back from 50% paralysis was a bitch, but I am here for whatever reason and I want as much out of life as I can get and it starts with a respecable BMI, energy and at least some normalilty. Many Thanks, Tom U > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in Gainsville and have them > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just seems to me that my > >levels are low and regardless of what is the cause they need to be > >addressed soonest. > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in the pituitary there's nothing > really to be gained by looking harder at the pituitary. > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, meaning essentially " who > the fuck knows why " . You are right, once you know your levels and can > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or ferritin/iron exposure, and > perhaps determine primary secondary, treatment becomes the issue. > Spending lots of money and time finding a illusive why will almost > certainly not change the treatment. > > That said however with an iron issue, you may want to see if you're > body can restart or climb to natural levels again rather than becoming > dependent on a life time of replacement. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 If your saying you have Anemia do to having to give blood not sure what you mean by (phlebotomized to anemic). I have a pituitary problem and do to this my Testosterone, Cortisol, Thyroid, Aldosterone and Iron levels are low. I feel my Iron levels we will never know why they are low I am not bleeding anywhere. One thing it might be is my Thyroid some people with a low thyroid have low stomach acid. And we get some bad heartburn and reflux. I have been treating my thyroid for about 2 yrs doing armour up to 4 grains a day. Not doing so great the women at STTM told me to test my Ferritin levels. http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ I was below normal and went on Iron pills 2 a day. http://tinyurl.com/3a5k6y After about 2 months on this I started to feel much better my heartburn and reflux were gone and some meds my Dr. had me on to help me breathe I was able to stop them. The Iron pills helped a lot but my levels in 8 months only come up from below normal on Ferritin to only 50 we need it at about 100. And the iron pills made my Thyroid meds work better and we had to lower my dose. The thing is my Dr. lowered it to much and the Heartburn and Reflux are now back. He also lowed me Iron pills from two to one a day and my iron levels fell. I now know this is because of my low stomach acid my food and meds are not being used. I was given this link on DMSO mixed with B-12, Folic Acid and a Multi Vit. I showed this to my Dr. and he said give it a try. I can say mixing this and putting an eye dropper on my forearms was like getting a B-12 shot wow this made me feel so much better read the following link. I now feel this is helping with the low Ion levels. http://www.krysalis.net/b12.htm And will be able to tell on my next set of labs I do labs every 8 weeks. If you have a pituitary problem you need to test and treat all things that are low normal. It was when I start on Cortef for my low Cortisol levels that I did not get sick with sinus infections and bronchitis all the time. So it can take some time for your levels to come up it's all about knowing whats wrong and treating it. I have a lot of info on pituitary problems and this link to Hypopituitary by it the best for help on this. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=12 Co-Moderator Phil > From: tomubl <ubl@...> > Subject: Re: Sweating > > Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:39 AM > How long to wait to see if the levels will come back up > since I am > phlebotomized to anemic levels and have had my Fe down for > well over a > year. I am a fat ass and even with 1200-1500 calorie > diets, goat > yogurt, flax, RO water, Tribuplex (although the trib did > elevate my > test by 50 points to 242. > > I am 44, I do not want children, but would like to get my > energy and > ability to function back. What makes it worse is I have > been in > athletics since I was 6, always lifted, weight room super > at FSU and > the contrast of being on the bench in life is too much. I > have been > carrying this weight for over 10 years now not knowing. > > Initially I thought I burned out my metabolism from > bouncing weight > classes for wrestling, which they seem to have more > restrictions now. > I do not look forward to having to go through the hassle > of acuriing > and administering a replacement program, but I feel like > half a person > and want a sweat free life back where my metabolism > actually responds. > > If there is a work around I need to know about it now. I > meet with > the doc on Wednesday and will get the sleep study ordered, > plus an > entire new set of hormone focused test IAW the test > recommended by > your link and in the files here. > > You have no idea how much I appreciate everyone's > input. Coming back > from 50% paralysis was a bitch, but I am here for whatever > reason and > I want as much out of life as I can get and it starts with > a > respecable BMI, energy and at least some normalilty. > > Many Thanks, > > Tom U > > > > > > > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in > Gainsville and have them > > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just > seems to me that my > > >levels are low and regardless of what is the cause > they need to be > > >addressed soonest. > > > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in the > pituitary there's nothing > > really to be gained by looking harder at the > pituitary. > > > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, meaning > essentially " who > > the fuck knows why " . You are right, once you > know your levels and can > > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or ferritin/iron > exposure, and > > perhaps determine primary secondary, treatment becomes > the issue. > > Spending lots of money and time finding a illusive why > will almost > > certainly not change the treatment. > > > > That said however with an iron issue, you may want to > see if you're > > body can restart or climb to natural levels again > rather than becoming > > dependent on a life time of replacement. > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Phil -- Hepcidin is the master control hormone for iron found in the liver. I make too little resulting in iron overload and you make too much resulting in anemia. My reference to anemia as it pertains to me with hemochromatosis is that when people like me give blood (phlebotomy) most hemotologists will target the brink of anemia as the lowest, deironed, level to target. At an Fe of 15 I enter an anemic state, which tells me enough blood giving for a while. The pills you are taking are probably nasty. Iron to satisfy the red blood cell has to be angstrom some argue collodial. If not it will hang up on the extracellular section of the outside wall of the red blood cell. Plus most forms of commercial iron is a pig on ferritin ride pushing out chromium and causing a cascade effect to the beta cells. Fe of 50 is more than plenty. The range references are foobarred. The spongy tissue of the pituitary, ovaries, gonads, prostate, etc get the priority first after serum level iron. The iron rips at the pituitary and is often the cause of anterior lobe signaling to be messed or fail. Most I would go is Fe 75 tops. Quality not quantity. DMSO scares me. I use to wrestle, they used it as a liniment, smelled like garlic, and it carries all the impurities from the mats into the blood stream. Be careful. Tom U > > > > > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or Shands in > > Gainsville and have them > > > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. It just > > seems to me that my > > > >levels are low and regardless of what is the cause > > they need to be > > > >addressed soonest. > > > > > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in the > > pituitary there's nothing > > > really to be gained by looking harder at the > > pituitary. > > > > > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, meaning > > essentially " who > > > the fuck knows why " . You are right, once you > > know your levels and can > > > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or ferritin/iron > > exposure, and > > > perhaps determine primary secondary, treatment becomes > > the issue. > > > Spending lots of money and time finding a illusive why > > will almost > > > certainly not change the treatment. > > > > > > That said however with an iron issue, you may want to > > see if you're > > > body can restart or climb to natural levels again > > rather than becoming > > > dependent on a life time of replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Tom thinks for the great reply I don't know if I will ever get to the bottom of all this. When I first got sick some 26 yrs. ago it was after a bad auto accident. I hit my head in the roof of the car. It was about 4 months later I started to become so fatigued that I was pushing myself to get out of bed and make it to work. Then one day I just could not even stand up. Went to the Dr. he did many tests but not testosterone. He found me to have anemia and put me on some strong Iron pills. Having me back to do labs in 3 months. When the labs showed I was not getting better he talked about Iron shots. This is when I asked to see a specialist in blood he sent me to one of what he said was the best. This Dr. ran all kinds of labs and when they come back he told me I was fine. That my Dr.'s lab must have been wrong. So on to a diff. Dr. long story. Now on 26 yrs later at a thyroid forum I am a mod at the other mods told me to get my Ferritin tested and it was below normal. So I went on iron pills and told my Dr. about the time 26 yrs. ago that I was told I am low on iron. He said I might have been on the low side all these yrs. He asked me if the blood Dr. I seen took me off the iron pills before doing the labs. Well he did not so this might be a problem I have had for yrs. My Mother suffered with anemia most of her life they never found a reason for it. I hope the DMSO helps with this and I am careful with it my Dr. told me all about using this. I can't tell you how much better I felt going on the iron pills. But still can't help but wonder if it's a hormone I am low on. This link I came across is a bit out there but some of it hits on my problem. In this link he talks about EPO I asked my Dr. if this is my problem and he put me off. http://www.rajeun.net/hb.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: tomubl <ubl@...> > Subject: Re: Sweating > > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 3:56 AM > Phil -- > > Hepcidin is the master control hormone for iron found in > the liver. I > make too little resulting in iron overload and you make too > much > resulting in anemia. > > My reference to anemia as it pertains to me with > hemochromatosis is > that when people like me give blood (phlebotomy) most > hemotologists > will target the brink of anemia as the lowest, deironed, > level to > target. At an Fe of 15 I enter an anemic state, which > tells me enough > blood giving for a while. > > The pills you are taking are probably nasty. Iron to > satisfy the red > blood cell has to be angstrom some argue collodial. If not > it will > hang up on the extracellular section of the outside wall of > the red > blood cell. Plus most forms of commercial iron is a pig > on ferritin > ride pushing out chromium and causing a cascade effect to > the beta cells. > > Fe of 50 is more than plenty. The range references are > foobarred. > The spongy tissue of the pituitary, ovaries, gonads, > prostate, etc get > the priority first after serum level iron. The iron rips > at the > pituitary and is often the cause of anterior lobe signaling > to be > messed or fail. Most I would go is Fe 75 tops. Quality not > quantity. > > DMSO scares me. I use to wrestle, they used it as a > liniment, smelled > like garlic, and it carries all the impurities from the > mats into the > blood stream. Be careful. > > Tom U > > > > > > > > > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or > Shands in > > > Gainsville and have them > > > > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. > It just > > > seems to me that my > > > > >levels are low and regardless of what is > the cause > > > they need to be > > > > >addressed soonest. > > > > > > > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in > the > > > pituitary there's nothing > > > > really to be gained by looking harder at the > > > pituitary. > > > > > > > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, > meaning > > > essentially " who > > > > the fuck knows why " . You are right, > once you > > > know your levels and can > > > > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or > ferritin/iron > > > exposure, and > > > > perhaps determine primary secondary, > treatment becomes > > > the issue. > > > > Spending lots of money and time finding a > illusive why > > > will almost > > > > certainly not change the treatment. > > > > > > > > That said however with an iron issue, you > may want to > > > see if you're > > > > body can restart or climb to natural levels > again > > > rather than becoming > > > > dependent on a life time of replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Phil, amazing story. I wonder since I had many concussions from football and wrestling if it may be contributing. Seriously watch the quality of your iron. As mentioned the nucleus of every red blood cell demands a certain size with certain polarities (it is magnetic). > > > > > > > > > > >I guess I can go to Cedar SInia or > > Shands in > > > > Gainsville and have them > > > > > >do an intensive diagnostic on my pit. > > It just > > > > seems to me that my > > > > > >levels are low and regardless of what is > > the cause > > > > they need to be > > > > > >addressed soonest. > > > > > > > > > > Once you know you don't have adenomas in > > the > > > > pituitary there's nothing > > > > > really to be gained by looking harder at the > > > > pituitary. > > > > > > > > > > Most secondary is what they call idiopathic, > > meaning > > > > essentially " who > > > > > the fuck knows why " . You are right, > > once you > > > > know your levels and can > > > > > rule out tumors, rule out prolactin, or > > ferritin/iron > > > > exposure, and > > > > > perhaps determine primary secondary, > > treatment becomes > > > > the issue. > > > > > Spending lots of money and time finding a > > illusive why > > > > will almost > > > > > certainly not change the treatment. > > > > > > > > > > That said however with an iron issue, you > > may want to > > > > see if you're > > > > > body can restart or climb to natural levels > > again > > > > rather than becoming > > > > > dependent on a life time of replacement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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