Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 In a message dated 04/10/2000 10:40:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time, laemax@... writes: > , I was just telling W. that my doctor at Mayo said it does > not matter WHAT kind of iron supplement we take. (a proximal that is) I even > challenged him on it and he was adamant. Where did you get the information > that the ferrous sulfate is not good? Thats what I started taking a month > ago... by the way it has not bothered my stomach. What research can I give > him about it? Thanks... Jan C.3-1198 RNY Here's my .02 . . . my blood work was awful I was taking the Slow Fe as recommended (ferrous sulfate) I became anemic . . . I switched to Gentle Iron FE Bisglycinate, I was less anemic but still anemic. . . and yet again I went to the Ferrous fumerate in a complex with B and C as recommended by Vitalady. My iron levels doubled in 3 months and I am no longer anemic. When I faxed my labs to my surgeon he called me on the phone and asked that I bring in the bottle so he can recommend the ferrous fumerate complex to all his post op patients. I did some online research and saw a little bit about iron bioavailability, but it was information, not studies. All I know is my blood work is awesome now! Vicki in CA Open proximal RNY 12-8-98 " List Mom " 007Secretsonelist a support group for " getting right with food " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 , I was just telling W. that my doctor at Mayo said it does not matter WHAT kind of iron supplement we take. (a proximal that is) I even challenged him on it and he was adamant. Where did you get the information that the ferrous sulfate is not good? Thats what I started taking a month ago... by the way it has not bothered my stomach. What research can I give him about it? Thanks... Jan C.3-1198 RNY iron >Well, it's me. I'd say that ferrous sulfate is totally useless (for RNY), >except perhaps to inflame the pouch lining or bowel. If you want to get your >iron up, take one of the more absorbable irons. > >Be sure to read the fine print on the back of the package for what is the >ELEMENTAL does of iron you're getting and from what source. If it's in a >bottle, it's going to be 25mg (E) per pill, even though it may say something >much bigger on the front OR mislead you by saying 2 tablets provides 50MG >ELEMENTAL! > >There is one OTC iron that can provide 150mg elemental. > >Also, iron is a fussy little element. Goes only with C, no caffeine, no >ulcer meds or tums or antibiotics or minerals (like calcium) within an hour >either side. They're best taken on an empty stomach, but since you're >already upset, you could start with some in your pouch lined with a glass of >protein supplement or something. NOT milk. (calcium) > >Thanks, > > >www.vitalady.com > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955333160/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 Thats what makes me mad.. if it is the most poorly absorbed why did he not tell me this!!For crying out loud, I get tired of doctors who blow us off! I will get some of the other stuff right away..... thanks.. Jan C3-11-98 RNY iron >> >> >>>Well, it's me. I'd say that ferrous sulfate is totally useless (for RNY), >>>except perhaps to inflame the pouch lining or bowel. If you want to get >>your >>>iron up, take one of the more absorbable irons. >>> >>>Be sure to read the fine print on the back of the package for what is the >>>ELEMENTAL does of iron you're getting and from what source. If it's in a >>>bottle, it's going to be 25mg (E) per pill, even though it may say >>something >>>much bigger on the front OR mislead you by saying 2 tablets provides 50MG >>>ELEMENTAL! >>> >>>There is one OTC iron that can provide 150mg elemental. >>> >>>Also, iron is a fussy little element. Goes only with C, no caffeine, no >>>ulcer meds or tums or antibiotics or minerals (like calcium) within an >hour >>>either side. They're best taken on an empty stomach, but since you're >>>already upset, you could start with some in your pouch lined with a glass >>of >>>protein supplement or something. NOT milk. (calcium) >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>> >>>www.vitalady.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >>>Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >>>0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >>>Apply NOW! >>>http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955333160/ >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >>Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >>0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >>Apply NOW! >>http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955388341/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955388619/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 Jan, Its not that ferrous sulfate is BAD, just that it is the most poorly absorbed, has the highest rate of constipation and GI upset. The information is readily available in the PDR (Physician's Desk Reference) as well as in any upper level chemistry book. Carolyn iron > > >>Well, it's me. I'd say that ferrous sulfate is totally useless (for RNY), >>except perhaps to inflame the pouch lining or bowel. If you want to get >your >>iron up, take one of the more absorbable irons. >> >>Be sure to read the fine print on the back of the package for what is the >>ELEMENTAL does of iron you're getting and from what source. If it's in a >>bottle, it's going to be 25mg (E) per pill, even though it may say >something >>much bigger on the front OR mislead you by saying 2 tablets provides 50MG >>ELEMENTAL! >> >>There is one OTC iron that can provide 150mg elemental. >> >>Also, iron is a fussy little element. Goes only with C, no caffeine, no >>ulcer meds or tums or antibiotics or minerals (like calcium) within an hour >>either side. They're best taken on an empty stomach, but since you're >>already upset, you could start with some in your pouch lined with a glass >of >>protein supplement or something. NOT milk. (calcium) >> >>Thanks, >> >> >>www.vitalady.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >>Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >>0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >>Apply NOW! >>http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955333160/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >PERFORM CPR ON YOUR APR! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2121/5/_/576511/_/955388341/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 >>>>> my doctor at Mayo said it does not matter WHAT kind of iron supplement we take. (a proximal that is)>>> I say have your iron retested in 30 days and let the bloodwork show if it works or not. I took plain ole iron pills from walmart for one month and when I got my bloodwork back it had dropped even further after taking 2 pills a day, consuming that whole bottle! it did me no good and I lost more precious time in regaining some iron. Then I started on the ferrous fermuate and it's been rising ever since. I am a short proximal - just 18 " bypassed too. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 Thanks so much for the information......Jan C. 3-11-(* RNY Re: iron > >>>>>> >my doctor at Mayo said it does not matter WHAT kind of iron >supplement we take. (a proximal that is)>>> > >I say have your iron retested in 30 days and let the >bloodwork show if it works or not. I took plain ole iron >pills from walmart for one month and when I got my >bloodwork back it had dropped even further after taking 2 >pills a day, consuming that whole bottle! it did me no good >and I lost more precious time in regaining some iron. Then >I started on the ferrous fermuate and it's been rising ever >since. I am a short proximal - just 18 " bypassed too. >Sue > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >High rates giving you headaches? The 0% APR Introductory Rate from >Capital One. 9.9% Fixed thereafter! >http://click./1/3010/5/_/576511/_/955396351/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2000 Report Share Posted June 24, 2000 Yes, I have had four labs since August and everything has been normal. My body aches all the time though and they keep testing me but can't find anything. My doctor even x-rayed the joints that hurt the most to see if there was anything. I thought maybe it was the menopause thing (I hardly get any sleep). But now I have been on estrogen replacement therapy for a few weeks, doesn't seem to be helping though (except for the hot flashes). I made a decision to turn the bad habits I've been practicing around. It's not to late to change. I am only 10 months out from my gastric bypass. Thanks for the information about the iron. Hugs, Bonnie B. Intestinal Bypass 10/98 at 404 pounds Revision to Gastric Bypass 8/99 at 304 pounds Currently 260 pounds Dr. Meyerowitz South San Francisco, Kaiser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2000 Report Share Posted June 25, 2000 >Since were talking about vitamins and minerals, could somebody tell me how much iron we need. My multi-vit has 18mg, is that enough? >>>>>>> the only way to know for sure is to have an iron and folate panel done when you do your bloodwork. most multi vits. do not have ferrous fermuate which is the absorbable type of iron anyhow. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2000 Report Share Posted June 25, 2000 >>My body aches all the time though and they keep testing me but can't find anything. My doctor even x-rayed the joints that hurt the most to see if there was anything. I thought maybe it was the menopause thing (I hardly get any sleep). >>>> have you had a bone density test done? aching bodies is one sign of porous bones. one of the medications used to treat osteo actually helps to ease the discomfort. although hormone replacement therapy is the therapy of choice by the majority of docs for post menopausal women. lack of sleep is a major problem too. by the end of the school year i was so sleep deprived it was unreal - i don't teach, my daughter just gets up very very early and i'm a lite sleeper. sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2000 Report Share Posted June 25, 2000 I am distal: when I had a deficiency, I took approx 450 - 700 mg... now that I am in normal range, I take 300 - 450 mg. Trish >Hi All, >Since were talking about vitamins and minerals, could somebody tell me how >much iron we need. My multi-vit has 18mg, is that enough? > >Hugs, >Bonnie B. >Intestinal Bypass 10/98 at 404 pounds >Revision to Gastric Bypass 8/99 at 304 pounds >Currently 260 pounds >Dr. Meyerowitz >South San Francisco, Kaiser > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2000 Report Share Posted June 26, 2000 Bonnie- Yes, if you take too much iron OR the wrong kind of iron, it just turns to " tar poop " and doesn't enrich your blood! You need to get the right kind, taken the right away to get it INTO you. Sometimes when iron is mixed into a multi, because of all the minerals mixed with it, you will slough it and not absorb it. Also, if you take ferrous sulfate, this could be the result. So, if you stick with the absorbable irons, taken with C and NOTHING ELSE, you should be able to get the benefit without the penalty! Thanks, www.vitalady.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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