RE: diabetes in healthy people....

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In a message dated 12/28/2003 9:25:44 AM Pacific Standard Time,

cld60@... writes:

Why..?? Why diabetes?? .... Why are health people getting this?

Because of the greed in the medical profession and its subsidiaries that keep

lowering the ideal blood sugar acceptable number to sell more doctor

appointments, drugs and testing supplies. The figure was lowered again earlier

this

year.

For myself, I would not qualify as a diabetic 10 years ago with my figures

and the standard back then.

a

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In a message dated 12/28/2003 3:23:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pawprinter@... writes:

For myself, I would not qualify as a diabetic 10 years ago with my figures

and the standard back then

Hi a,

I agree with you. That is why I don't let high readings bother me. My high

readings were normal just a few years ago. I've had diabetes for over 4 years

and I don't have any complications. I am thankful that I have a doctor that

does not " push " meds. She wants my A1c to be no higher than 6.2, but she has

also told me that if it should go higher, she would not immediately put me

back on meds.

Eunice

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In a message dated 12/28/2003 1:14:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

chanterone@... writes:

What were the numbers lowered too?

I don't recall the figures. However, it was a huge thread on this list a few

months back. I will try to find some time to go back n the web page and find

the originating mail which included a news article.

a

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Diabetes does not discriminate. Although certain criteria may predispose you to

the disease it seems anyone can get it. Remember when they used to think type 2

was a disease of the older generation but now it is showing up in children.

I was once told by a prominent endocrinologist that the only thing they know for

sure is that they know nothing for sure... After 25 plus years as a diabetic

I truly believe that. Nothing is written in stone. For every fact there is

always an exception. They call Lupus the disease of 10,000 faces, I think that

also applies to diabetes.

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Why..?? Why diabetes?? And if so is there any hope out there. Why are

health people getting this? It makes me wonder if we are all missing

something. On tv programs they concentrate on obesity and

diabetes...but I think it's a huge part of it but not all of it.

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a

What were the numbers lowered too?

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Why..?? Why diabetes?? .... Why are health people getting this?

Because of the greed in the medical profession and its subsidiaries that keep

lowering the ideal blood sugar acceptable number to sell more doctor

appointments, drugs and testing supplies. The figure was lowered again earlier

this

year.

For myself, I would not qualify as a diabetic 10 years ago with my figures

and the standard back then.

a

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In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:25:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cld60@... writes:

I found out yesterday that my uncle has diabetes.

Hi Sussie,

Did they do a fasting test or an A1c on your uncle? If it was a fasting

test, he should have it done again in about 3 months. A couple years ago, right

after the Christmas holidays, one of my aunts went in for her physical. Her

fasting bg test was higher than normal. Three months later when she went back,

it was fine and has continued to do so.

Eunice

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In a message dated 12/28/2003 11:20:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

angel1173@... writes:

However, they do not know for sure what causes diabetes

(type 1 or type 2)...as far as my understanding goes. If they could

figure out for sure what caused it, it would be easier for them to

find a cure.

Hi Kaci,

In my case, it was steroids that played a major role in my having diabetes.

I gained 45 lbs in less than 3 months when I was on the steroids.

Eunice

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Diabetes is not a disease of " skinny, healthy people " . It is a

metabolic disease. I would assert that the current surge of

media/medical impression of diabetes being the " fat, lazy person "

disease is just wrong. Sure, fat, lazy people get diabetes, but they

also get heart disease, cancer, etc. Because someone is fat and

diabetic doesn't mean the fatness caused the disease. Because

someone is slender, regular excerciser doesn't mean they " don't

deserve " diabetes and fat people do.

My own uncle was dxed with type two at 40 yrs old, healthy, a career

Army man. Never overweight a day in his life. My opinion is in

addition to changing diagnostic criteria, there is something causing

our metabolic issues. I also am of the opinion that perhaps some of

our cases are due to better testing. Perhaps if your uncle was in

the 1950's there would be no blood check for diabetes. He would be

considered a healthy man because of his stature and the diabetes

would slowly erode his health unknown.

Debi

>

>

> They are both in their late 50's and both look young and healthy.

My

> aunt could wear a bikini on the beach with NO trouble. My uncle

looks

> like a young Dick .Never ages. He is and always has been very

thin.

> My aunt is like a size 5 and my uncle wears like a size 28 to 30 in

> waist, he is skinny...

>

> For the last 10 years they have been walking. And I mean really

walking

> and the last year they have started up hill climbing and they do

it a

> hour or more a day. They only eat lean meats and vegetables and

lean

> carbs. NO sugar or soda etc.They occasionally go out to dinner but

not

> often.

>

> Why..?? Why diabetes?? And if so is there any hope out there. Why

are

> health people getting this? It makes me wonder if we are all

missing

> something. On tv programs they concentrate on obesity and

> diabetes...but I think it's a huge part of it but not all of it.

>

> Its it something in our environment? I know I am inactive and eat

bad

> but what about my uncle?

>

> How could he get this?

>

> sus

>

>

>

>

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It is my understanding that children and adolescents who develop Type II are

almost always overweight, if not obese.

Re: diabetes in healthy people....

Diabetes does not discriminate. Although certain criteria may predispose you

to the disease it seems anyone can get it. Remember when they used to think

type 2 was a disease of the older generation but now it is showing up in

children.

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It could be something in his genes. He has one parent who is connected to you,

and another parent who is not connected to you. If one of your common

grandparents carried such a gene, your parent had only a 50% chance of

inheriting it.

Type I diabetes is an auto-immune problem - healthy lifestyle has little to do

with it.

I've seen family histories of diabetes as well and carefully hidden as manic

depression. Stupid - but true.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

diabetes in healthy people....

I found out yesterday that my uncle has diabetes. Now I can tell you

that im totally shocked to the core!!! He is on the side that does not

have diabetes on it except for his daughter who was diagnosed with Type

1 as a child and now is 38 or so and a RN and doing diabetes research.

But my uncle is what amazes me. He and his wife are the typical classy

healthy Californians...

They are both in their late 50's and both look young and healthy. My

aunt could wear a bikini on the beach with NO trouble. My uncle looks

like a young Dick .Never ages. He is and always has been very thin.

My aunt is like a size 5 and my uncle wears like a size 28 to 30 in

waist, he is skinny...

For the last 10 years they have been walking. And I mean really walking

and the last year they have started up hill climbing and they do it a

hour or more a day. They only eat lean meats and vegetables and lean

carbs. NO sugar or soda etc.They occasionally go out to dinner but not

often.

Why..?? Why diabetes?? And if so is there any hope out there. Why are

health people getting this? It makes me wonder if we are all missing

something. On tv programs they concentrate on obesity and

diabetes...but I think it's a huge part of it but not all of it.

Its it something in our environment? I know I am inactive and eat bad

but what about my uncle?

How could he get this?

sus

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Umm, folks.... I don't think the answer to the original plaint is that diabetes

is not real.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: diabetes in healthy people....

In a message dated 12/28/2003 1:14:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,

chanterone@... writes:

What were the numbers lowered too?

I don't recall the figures. However, it was a huge thread on this list a few

months back. I will try to find some time to go back n the web page and find

the originating mail which included a news article.

a

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Oh, one other thing - slowly it is coming back to me.

I think that type I diabetes is often caused by such things as a virus. It is

caused by destruction of the cells of the pancreas.

I had an inner ear badly damaged by a virus. It is not possible to anticipate

such things.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: diabetes in healthy people....

I am not sure what the statistics are, but I definitely know that the chances

of siblings, parents and children of those with type 1 diabetes are higher than

those of Mr. or Mrs. Average American out there. I have always urged my

brothers and sisters and parents and children to be regularly tested for type 2.

I know it doesn't seem fair but then again, is life ever really fair? NO!

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OK, she didn't say it was type II diabetes. She didn't say it was type I,

either. She only said that good efforts to avoid it failed to avoid it.

If one had a genetic predisposition to type II diabetes, it would be likely to

develop eventually regardless of efforts to avoid it - but it would be likely to

develop later, more slowly and with fewer complications. I think sometimes one

can avoid it, and sometimes one can't.

My father successfully fended off a near perfect genetic chance of dying in

middle age of heart disease by careful excercise and diet, only to die horribly

in old age of cancer.

Gee - I'm not trying all that hard.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: diabetes in healthy people....

It is my understanding that children and adolescents who develop Type II are

almost always overweight, if not obese.

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Here they just don't do a fasting bg they do a five hour glucose tolerance test.

One high fasting bg is not enough.

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Her fasting bg test was higher than normal. Three months later when she went

back, it was fine and has continued to do so.

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Exactly.

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It is my understanding that children and adolescents who develop Type II are

almost always overweight, if not obese.

[Guest guest]

Hallo sus

Is it Type 1 or 2 that you both have? I thought that the whole idea that eating

too much causes diabetes was a complete myth, for type 1 at least. I cannot

comment on type 2 as I do not have it or know anyone who does, but

scientists are still not sure what causes type 1 diabetes as far as I know. I

mean in some cases it is hereditary but they are not sure what the specific

trigger for it is, like for example my father had diabetes, and i do, but my

sister

does not. As far as I know they do not know why some people develop it and

some do not. It is entirely possible for healthy people to get diabetes, the

fact

that only morbidly obese people get it is a harmful myth perpetuated by the

media so they get sensational copy to sell their papers. As with most things in

newspapers, it is partly the truth in some cases but nowhere near as

widespread as they claim, in the UK at least, I cannot comment on the US as I

do not live there.

Neither is it the end of the world. You can live a normal life and enjoy life

when you have diabetes. It is just bad luck that you have it and your uncle has

it. I think there is a bias against diabetic people generally, people think we

are all morbidly obese and bring it on ourselves by overeating.

I hope you get good care from your specialist team and good luck for the

future. Really all it is is to eat healthily and take blood sugars and exercise,

most of which (bar the blood sugars, obviously) healthy people are supposed

to do. You just need to keep more of a watch over it all than usual. I am not

saying it is easy but neither is it impossible. You can still eat out

occasionally

but you just have to make sure everything is in moderation. Good luck.

Lily

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They call it a 5 hour GTT but you are right usually only lasts around 3 hours.

Don't forget mine was done in the horse and buggie days....lol

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Chant,

It is my understanding that the GTT when done fasting is done in

3 hours b/c 5 would be too long and not give the most accurate

reading.

I had met one girl whose dr had her do a 2 hour one and he

claimed she was insulin resistant but we don't know what the end

result was b/c of this as he didn't have her go for that 3 hour

one to find out for sure whether or not she had IR or Diabetes.

Some drs here in the U.S. do just one fasting glucose test as

far as in the office and others may have you come in before you

eat and then tell you to go eat and then come back in an hour or

two so that they can check it again. And then they are able to

see if someone is Diabetic with this way too.

Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

Kristy

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I don't know? I am going to have to find out more details about this.

Thanks everyone..

I guess anyone, any size and shape can get diabetes.

Its not just a " fat " disease.sus

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From: ERWachter@...

In a message dated 12/28/2003 12:25:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cld60@... writes:

I found out yesterday that my uncle has diabetes.

Hi Sussie,

Did they do a fasting test or an A1c on your uncle? If it was a fasting

test, he should have it done again in about 3 months. A couple years

ago, right

after the Christmas holidays, one of my aunts went in for her physical.

Her

fasting bg test was higher than normal. Three months later when she

went back,

it was fine and has continued to do so.

Eunice

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You know what? I cant get ahold of my mom to ask . I just assumed it was

type 2 but maybe it is type 1? I will let you know more after I talk to

her about it.

Thanks, I do really well. My 3 months averages are low and I have never

had to go on medication. I try to eat moderate carb but blow it often

:-)

Its not easy..

sus

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From: Lily

Hallo sus

Is it Type 1 or 2 that you both have? I thought that the whole idea that

eating

too much causes diabetes was a complete myth, for type 1 at least. I

cannot

comment on type 2 as I do not have it or know anyone who does, but

scientists are still not sure what causes type 1 diabetes as far as I

know. I

mean in some cases it is hereditary but they are not sure what the

specific

trigger for it is, like for example my father had diabetes, and i do,

but my sister

does not. As far as I know they do not know why some people develop it

and

some do not. It is entirely possible for healthy people to get diabetes,

the fact

that only morbidly obese people get it is a harmful myth perpetuated by

the

media so they get sensational copy to sell their papers. As with most

things in

newspapers, it is partly the truth in some cases but nowhere near as

widespread as they claim, in the UK at least, I cannot comment on the US

as I

do not live there.

Neither is it the end of the world. You can live a normal life and enjoy

life

when you have diabetes. It is just bad luck that you have it and your

uncle has

it. I think there is a bias against diabetic people generally, people

think we

are all morbidly obese and bring it on ourselves by overeating.

Lily

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In many cases, stress, other illnesses, depression etc, can bring about other

diseases such as diabetes. Being skinny or obese or regular does not neccassarly

have anything to do with it. Well, in most cases, obesity does and genetics, but

with thin people getting type 1 diabetes, its different. For me, it would either

be depression I had in my teens and still do sometime or the hardship I went

through with my parents divorce. Then again maybe it was my hardship in the

marines in 89. Or a combo of all 3 of them.

, Type 1 since 91

Why..?? Why diabetes?? .... Why are health people getting this?

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Kristy that's what they usually order here a GTT. They don't specify the time

and it can take anywhere from 3 to 5 hours depending on the person and their

results. Guess all labs/doctors are different. I am going to bed to b/c of a

sinus/cold/flu thing too.... seems like it is all over the place. Am curious

how long have you been a diabetic?

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Chant,

It is not called a 5 hour GTT unless the dr specifically orders

such a test.

But yep, you are right, it's amazing how things have changed

since 25 years ago.

I'm headed back to bed b/c of my cold.

I hope that you have a nice day.

Daughter of Type 2 Insulin Dependent Diabetic,

Kristy

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Kristy I think the difference is ours in done in the endo department of the

hospital with several techs that do nothing else. There is also an

endocrinologist attending and he/she decides the length of time, and whether

OGTT or in some cases IGTT etc. Actually it's a pretty good set up and you also

get your own bed.... can't ask for more than that.

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Interesting. Here they have to be specific about whether it's a

3 or 5 hour GTT.