Re: Enough is enough......gee, that's how I feel!

[Guest guest]

> Why does it bother you to have your " beliefs " questioned? I think it is

> healthy, normal, and legal to question everything. Especially when

someone,

> not a doctor, is claiming a biological " fact " that not only sounds

> suspicious to me, it sounds laughably impossible. Yes, I am openly

> sceptical of the theory of mucous scooting around our bodies causing

> rosacea. I think you better steel yourself for a load of scepticism.

>

> I think you should try make a connection with a medical school and try to

> get permission to look in on some autopsies and you will see that the

human

> body is not a mucous highway.

>

> By the way, it has been medically stated it is false that milk causes

> mucous.

>

> Why I continure to do it is because I think you are wrong. In pointing

that

> out I AM doing something constructive. People may choose what they

want,

> of course, but I am not going to pretend that they are doing anything

other

> than fooling themselves. I am very grateful for what I have learned here

> about my skin condition and I hope others are learning as much.

>

> What propaganda are you talking about? Why do you use profane language?

> And, please don't insult the intelligence and scepticism of children.

>

> Who are you to decide that " enough is enough " .....?

First of all, it's ignorant to think medical school has the answers to

everything. Would you find anything on chinese medicine? Would you find

anything on non Western practices? Would you find anything on beneficial

supplements, like the ones you would find in a health food store? Would you

find anything on diets affecting diseases? No! So that answers that

question. Second of all, are you diong anything constructive by attempting

to persuade people to stick to a normal diet? If a person with rosacea has

stuck to a normal diet for years upon years, and found no relief, it doesn't

take alot of common sense to tell them to *TRY* something different. So what

are you going to say if this diet helps alot of people? If it doesn't, no

harm done. It's a very healthy diet and anyone on it will find reduced

cholesterol and other beneficial results. You sit there and ask me to prove

all this.. what needs to be proven? I told you I am seeing results, and I'm

positive others will too. It's very simple, either try it or don't.. and

this is the last word I'll ever waste on you.

D.

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Hi and All,

About this diet stuff and helping cea and being healthy...........

Well, I went on a diet like this almost four years ago and I lost some weight

and felt ok, but it did nothing for my complexion and my rosacea continued to

get worse. But what did happen to me is that my hair started falling out. At

first I didn't notice it, but later on I could see clumps of it in the shower.

Needless to say I went off that diet and it took two years for my hair to grow

back to normal. I don't believe it all ever came back. That was just an obvious

sign of what was going on with my body as a result of this diet. I don't know

what the un-obvious signs could have been. I was using supplements also, but

they did not work for me.

I think well balance, plenty of water and moderate exercise and deep restful

sleep is the key for " most " of us. Of course there will be exceptions. I do

believe in herbal, vitamin, mineral supplement to help alleviate some health

problem. But I'm not so sure that they are the cure-all, by a long shot.

This is just one persons experience and just my humble opinion.

~Deborah

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Demchuk wrote:

> > Why does it bother you to have your " beliefs " questioned? I think it is

> > healthy, normal, and legal to question everything. Especially when

> someone,

> > not a doctor, is claiming a biological " fact " that not only sounds

> > suspicious to me, it sounds laughably impossible. Yes, I am openly

> > sceptical of the theory of mucous scooting around our bodies causing

> > rosacea. I think you better steel yourself for a load of scepticism.

> >

> > I think you should try make a connection with a medical school and try to

> > get permission to look in on some autopsies and you will see that the

> human

> > body is not a mucous highway.

> >

> > By the way, it has been medically stated it is false that milk causes

> > mucous.

> >

> > Why I continure to do it is because I think you are wrong. In pointing

> that

> > out I AM doing something constructive. People may choose what they

> want,

> > of course, but I am not going to pretend that they are doing anything

> other

> > than fooling themselves. I am very grateful for what I have learned here

> > about my skin condition and I hope others are learning as much.

> >

> > What propaganda are you talking about? Why do you use profane language?

> > And, please don't insult the intelligence and scepticism of children.

> >

> > Who are you to decide that " enough is enough " .....?

>

> First of all, it's ignorant to think medical school has the answers to

> everything. Would you find anything on chinese medicine? Would you find

> anything on non Western practices? Would you find anything on beneficial

> supplements, like the ones you would find in a health food store? Would you

> find anything on diets affecting diseases? No! So that answers that

> question. Second of all, are you diong anything constructive by attempting

> to persuade people to stick to a normal diet? If a person with rosacea has

> stuck to a normal diet for years upon years, and found no relief, it doesn't

> take alot of common sense to tell them to *TRY* something different. So what

> are you going to say if this diet helps alot of people? If it doesn't, no

> harm done. It's a very healthy diet and anyone on it will find reduced

> cholesterol and other beneficial results. You sit there and ask me to prove

> all this.. what needs to be proven? I told you I am seeing results, and I'm

> positive others will too. It's very simple, either try it or don't.. and

> this is the last word I'll ever waste on you.

>

> D.

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[Guest guest]

I share YOUR feelings.

Too bad about your hair loss....that sounds very scary and discouraging.

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[Guest guest]

Holland, there is a lot of evidence proving that consuming dairy products

does cause excessive mucus production. If you look, you will find the

studies. It has been proven that this is one of the main causes of multiple

ear infections in babies and small children. Not only have I done much

research on this, I have experienced it myself and in three children of my

own. I have no idea whether mucus has anything to do with rosacea or not,

but it does cause other problems. If you think about it, consuming the milk

from another mammal is actually kind of gross. That milk is intended to

nourish a calf and a calf ONLY, never humans. And cows have four stomachs!

Doesn't it gross you out? Gets me every time, especially after I break down

and have my favorite-ice cream! Changing my diet has helped my health

problems a lot, but that doesn't mean it will help everyone. Extreme

perspectives on this topic are inevitable-look at the traditional

medicine/environmental medicine polarization. If it doesn't work for you,

ignore the posts. As a matter of interest, have you ever tried changing

your diet? I personally try not to dismiss things I haven't tried, and I

know that a few years ago I would have found some of the things I now

believe in to be quite far-fetched.

Kerry

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[Guest guest]

As I said I believe in a healthy diet and lots of water. I DO NOT believe

our bodies are backed up with mucous and pus.

By the way, when you think about it, lots of the things we eat are gross, a

lot more gross than milk. Like meat. Or fermented soy bean. But as gross

as some may feel milk is, it doesn't create mucous in the body, at least

according to real AMA doctors. .

Yes, over the years I have made changes to my diet for a number of different

reasons. I am pround of my restraint, discipline, knowledge and good

health. But I never did it to cleanse my foul pus laden body.

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Hi Deborah,

Could you tell me what you mean by " this diet " ? And for the record,

although I believe dietary changes are necessary to help control rosacea,

the special, healthy diet that I follow (paleo) is nothing like what is

doing.

Kerry

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Holland,

For the record, you can't take as gospel everything any one doctor tells

you, no matter what their credentials. My husband and our children have

celiac disease. If they eat gluten it destroys their intestines. When our

son was just under a year and we began giving him crackers, he became very

ill with obvious celiac diarrhea, lethargy, slowed growth, etc... I took him

to FOUR of your real AMA doctors who all said it was " a little bug " without

even asking for a stool sample or doing any kind of test even though I told

them that he had had the diarrhea for a month and that the boy's father has

diagnosed celiac disease (which is hereditary). I went to the medical

library myself, I read about celiac myself, I convinced a gastroenterologist

to test our son MYSELF, and I was right. If I had listened to the first

four doctors, my son would probably be dead. You should take your doctor

off a pedestal-he/she is a person just like us, and only knows what he/she

was taught or has read in a book, just like any of us can do. A good doctor

also learns from experience with patients, and the four who saw my son

clearly had little experience with food related illness. As I said before,

there is a polarization between Traditional and Environmental medicine right

now, but I hope that the two will meet somewhere in the middle SOON for all

our sakes. About my previous message-because there are a lot of people

reading these messages looking for help, I only wanted to correct what I

believe is an erroneous statement about dairy products. From my research, I

believe that eating them does cause excess mucus production in the body,

although this may be true in susceptible (ie. allergic) individuals only.

The case with my son was the first run-around I got with a food related

medical problem, but not the last. I hope you can understand my willingness

to challenge an AMA doctor at this point. Do you have children? Would you

sit back, following their advice and watch your child die? I really don't

want to argue with you. I only want to make sure that people reading our

group see that there are different points of view on diet just as there are

different points of view on medications, lotions, cleansers etc... And by

the way, our doctor is an AMA doctor.

Kerry

P.S. I never said you were pus-laden, and I don't think I am either!

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Good point Kerry,

When I first started having skin complaints almost 5 years ago I went to a

doctor and he said it was eczema. He prescribed hydrocortisone and told me

to use it regularly to keep the 'eczema' at bay. This, I believe, highlights

two points: (1) The doctor misdiagnosed me, because I had rosacea and not

eczema and (2) He did nothing in the way of warn me of the dangers of

prolonged use of topical steroids. And this wasn't all, after I bought my

first tube of hydrocortisone and read the leaflet, I told him it said that

it should not be used on the face and that it should not be used for

prolonged periods of time. His response was basically " Well it's the only

choice you have, use it to keep it at bay or suffer from your condition " . I

use this example to highlight the fact that doctors can not only be ignorant

like the rest of us, but they may also be giving the wrong advice, which can

be detrimental to one's health, which was also the case for Kerry's child. I

think the most sensible thing to do is not to just accept the advice of one

person. It's the same with the mucousless diet. I'm sure there are lots of

doctors who know nothing about it and would say it is harmful, but then

there are plenty of others who ARE of help. We have to be open to all these

suggestions because they may all be valid. No one here is trying to force on

anyone the idea that rosacea is caused by excess mucous. Only that it is yet

another thing to consider, and because of past evidence from some doctors'

misdiagnoses, it should at least be given some consideration.

>

>Holland,

>

>For the record, you can't take as gospel everything any one doctor tells

>you, no matter what their credentials. My husband and our children have

>celiac disease. If they eat gluten it destroys their intestines. When our

>son was just under a year and we began giving him crackers, he became very

>ill with obvious celiac diarrhea, lethargy, slowed growth, etc... I took

>him

>to FOUR of your real AMA doctors who all said it was " a little bug " without

>even asking for a stool sample or doing any kind of test even though I told

>them that he had had the diarrhea for a month and that the boy's father has

>diagnosed celiac disease (which is hereditary). I went to the medical

>library myself, I read about celiac myself, I convinced a

>gastroenterologist

>to test our son MYSELF, and I was right. If I had listened to the first

>four doctors, my son would probably be dead. You should take your doctor

>off a pedestal-he/she is a person just like us, and only knows what he/she

>was taught or has read in a book, just like any of us can do. A good

>doctor

>also learns from experience with patients, and the four who saw my son

>clearly had little experience with food related illness. As I said before,

>there is a polarization between Traditional and Environmental medicine

>right

>now, but I hope that the two will meet somewhere in the middle SOON for all

>our sakes. About my previous message-because there are a lot of people

>reading these messages looking for help, I only wanted to correct what I

>believe is an erroneous statement about dairy products. From my research,

>I

>believe that eating them does cause excess mucus production in the body,

>although this may be true in susceptible (ie. allergic) individuals only.

>The case with my son was the first run-around I got with a food related

>medical problem, but not the last. I hope you can understand my

>willingness

>to challenge an AMA doctor at this point. Do you have children? Would you

>sit back, following their advice and watch your child die? I really don't

>want to argue with you. I only want to make sure that people reading our

>group see that there are different points of view on diet just as there are

>different points of view on medications, lotions, cleansers etc... And by

>the way, our doctor is an AMA doctor.

>Kerry

>P.S. I never said you were pus-laden, and I don't think I am either!

>

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