Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood sugars ...

[Guest guest]

It's been a long time since I accessed it, but somewhere online there's a

chart with the A1C numbers and what they correspond to. I'll try to dig it out

and send the web address. Don't remember if I got it from someone here or in a

chat room.

Kathy

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In a message dated 1/3/2004 12:01:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,

jeff@... writes:

Can anyone tell me the formula to determine what ones average BGs are if you

have the A1C reading?

Hi Jeff,

This website has the formula.

http://www.geocities.com/diabeteschart/bloodsugarchart.html

Eunice

[Guest guest]

I don't know if there is a formula to do that, but they have a chart of normal

readings. I saw the " normal " range when my doctor did one.

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood sugars

....

Hello,

Can anyone tell me the formula to determine what ones average BGs are if you

have the A1C reading? For example, what if it were 7.1, or 10.4, or

anything like that.

Jeff

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how were they even alive how did they not have a stroke?

Colleen

Re: Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average

blood sugars ...

When I went to diabetes classes they told us of stories of people coming in

with sugar readings of over 2100 in the ER.

[Guest guest]

Eunice:

This is the site I was trying to dig up-thank you. So glad I didn't have to

go digging myself-I'd have been buried-lol.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/4/2004 9:39:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

fmtisit2002@... writes:

Can you repost the site as I didn't see any website listed.

Here is the site for bg comparison chart. The first one is for plasma, which

most meters measure. The second one is for the older meters which measure

whole blood.

Eunice

http://www.geocities.com/diabeteschart/bloodsugarchart.html

http://www.geocities.com/diabeteschart/oldermeterus.html

[Guest guest]

For plasma blood glucose the formula to determine A1C is:

(Average bG+77.3)/35.6

So to get average bG from A1C would be:

(A1C*35.6)-77.3

Can't remember the one for whole blood numbers.

Hope this is what you wanted.

> Hello,

>

> Can anyone tell me the formula to determine what ones average BGs

are if you

> have the A1C reading? For example, what if it were 7.1, or 10.4,

or

> anything like that.

>

> Jeff

[Guest guest]

Whoah - so what whole blood levels would equal what plasma levels - and do those

little machines separate out the plasma?

We're talkig about home monitoring machines here - right?

Yours,

Dora

Austin, Texas

villandra@...

Re: Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

In a message dated 1/4/2004 9:39:22 AM Eastern Standard Time,

fmtisit2002@... writes:

Can you repost the site as I didn't see any website listed.

Here is the site for bg comparison chart. The first one is for plasma, which

most meters measure. The second one is for the older meters which measure

whole blood.

Eunice

http://www.geocities.com/diabeteschart/bloodsugarchart.html

http://www.geocities.com/diabeteschart/oldermeterus.html

[Guest guest]

<<360? By that time I think the person is dead.>>

Not necessarily, Dora. I was over 700 when I was dx'd. I'd been

complaining about classic symptoms FOR MONTHS to my doctor at the county

hospital clinic I must use (no insurance, not much money). A first year med

student should have recognized what it was. It was finally found by a REAL

hospital ER I went to for something totally unrelated. Well, maybe it

was...is a bladder infection due to diabetes sometimes? Anyway, I don't

have any doubt in the world that I'd be dead right now if it'd been left to

the county clinic. I hate it. Their " medical care " (and I use the term

loosely) stinks. It makes me so angry that I must rely on them for my

stroke and diabetes treatment. I went to another, just as incompetent,

hospital when I had my stroke. I truly believe that their negligence caused

or least made worse a second stroke I had. That one did the most damage. I

shouldn't have had one *in the hospital*, IMO. If they had been monitoring

me like they should have been, they should have seen it coming and been able

to act appropriately.

Sorry to get off on a rant! It's just a national disgrace that people,

because they're poor and uninsured, can't get the medical care they're

entitled to. I live in Texas and I understand that the welfare system here

is one of the worse.

Love,

Jeannie

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Jeanie don't feel alone, Doctors PRACTICE medicine I truly understand that, that

is what they do. Because of Dr. Misjudgment my son is dead now and the Doctor is

still PRACTICING !!!!! Maybe someday they will get it right ..and by the way he

was very well insured and could pay for the BEST (which is what we thought he

had) WRONG!!!!!! Just be glad they stumbled on to your diabetes instead of

playing around with just antiobotics for a kidney infection. Helen

Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

<<360? By that time I think the person is dead.>>

Not necessarily, Dora. I was over 700 when I was dx'd. I'd been

complaining about classic symptoms FOR MONTHS to my doctor at the county

hospital clinic I must use (no insurance, not much money). A first year med

student should have recognized what it was. It was finally found by a REAL

hospital ER I went to for something totally unrelated. Well, maybe it

was...is a bladder infection due to diabetes sometimes? Anyway, I don't

have any doubt in the world that I'd be dead right now if it'd been left to

the county clinic. I hate it. Their " medical care " (and I use the term

loosely) stinks. It makes me so angry that I must rely on them for my

stroke and diabetes treatment. I went to another, just as incompetent,

hospital when I had my stroke. I truly believe that their negligence caused

or least made worse a second stroke I had. That one did the most damage. I

shouldn't have had one *in the hospital*, IMO. If they had been monitoring

me like they should have been, they should have seen it coming and been able

to act appropriately.

Sorry to get off on a rant! It's just a national disgrace that people,

because they're poor and uninsured, can't get the medical care they're

entitled to. I live in Texas and I understand that the welfare system here

is one of the worse.

Love,

Jeannie

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<<Just be glad they stumbled on to your diabetes instead of playing around

with just antiobotics for a kidney infection.>>

Helen, if it had been the county hospital ER, I'm sure that's what they

would have done. Luckily, as it turned out, it would take 2-3 months to get

in at JPS (the county hospital). I had seen my " doctor " (again, I use the

term loosely) only a week earlier and I didn't have the bladder infection

then. Anyway, I went to a *real* hospital and they found the diabetes. I

use this ER for emergencies, because they have a charity program to help

uninsured patients. I truly don't know what I'd do without it. It would

have taken me forever to get into JPS again. I went to their ER once,

because I was having stroke symptoms and worried that another stroke was

imminent. Well, after waiting in a noisy, crowded waiting room for over SIX

hours we left. My husband, Mike, noted that my face was *purple* by then.

The stress was annoying me more than the symptoms and, no doubt, my blood

pressure was going up. When I got out of there, my face returned to normal

and I felt fine again. The symptoms never returned. Mike reminded me that

the doctor had said I had nerve damage from the stroke and would probably

have episodes from time to time. So it wasn't too serious, after all. But

all that time in such a stressful environment could have easily caused me to

have another stroke, after all. And I worry...what if I HAD been having

another one?? And with no medical care to count on. Since I have regular

appointments (scheduled months in advance...why, I have no idea. Like I

said, I'd no doubt be dead right now, if I'd had to rely solely on them),

and have to take so much BS up there, it's not an easy thing for me to

control the stress that's always with me. And if I'm sick...forget it.

There's no doctor to call in emergencies. The whole thing is so upsetting

that it's a miracle I'm able to control my bg's as well as I do.

I'm so sorry about your son. I honestly believe we put doctors up on too

high a pedestal and trust them and their judgement too much. After all,

they're only human. But we treat them like gods sometimes. Truth is,

they're as fallible as we are. When I had my stroke, the doctors " advised "

Mike to just divorce me and stick me in a nursing home! They figured I

probably wouldn't live more than a few months and would most likely never

improve sufficiently to even feed myself. And I'd NEVER walk again...

Well, that was *11* years ago. I feed myself a bit *too* well! <g> And I

walk with a walker, but I do walk. I'm 400% better than I was ever expected

to get. I thank God everyday that Mike didn't take their advice. But

because they're doctors and are revered so much, a lot of people would have.

It makes me angry that they have that kind of control over our lives.

They're not always right...they're wrong sometimes.

Well, I did it again...wrote a book! I guess I'm especially aggravated

because I had a serious bg low today...I know that in an emergency I have no

one. Two hours after a late breakfast, I checked my bg and it was *52*. I

knew that couldn't be right, so I checked it again...*47*. I ate a piece of

candy and some crackers. In about 15 minutes, it had dropped to *44*. It

finally started coming back up in about another 15 minutes...*66* I guess

it took that long for the candy to kick in. I've only had one other episode

where my bg had dropped to 38 and it always troubles me that I don't have a

doctor to call when I need one.

Love,

Jeannie

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Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

" I guess I'm especially aggravated

because I had a serious bg low today...I know that in an emergency I have no

one. Two hours after a late breakfast, I checked my bg and it was *52*. I

knew that couldn't be right, so I checked it again...*47*. I ate a piece of

candy and some crackers. In about 15 minutes, it had dropped to *44*. It

finally started coming back up in about another 15 minutes...*66* I guess

it took that long for the candy to kick in.

Love,

Jeannie "

Oh Jeannie, please don't depend on candy or anything else that you eat or

drink to bring your blood sugar up in a hurry. You need to have some glucose

tabs ready for those emergencies. They have 4 grams of fast acting carbs to

bring your BG's up a pretty good number within about 15 minutes. I usually take

one, then check again, and if I need to I take another one. Usually 2 is my

limit and I'm back in stable terrritory.

Tootie

[Guest guest]

I am so pleased that i live in the UK as we have

free medical care and as i suffer from Hashimoto's disease i

got free prescriptions and now i have diabetes i wouldn't be

able to afford the medication with out our wonderful

health service

Love and Hugs

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-- Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

<<360? By that time I think the person is dead.>>

Not necessarily, Dora. I was over 700 when I was dx'd. I'd been

complaining about classic symptoms FOR MONTHS to my doctor at the county

hospital clinic I must use (no insurance, not much money). A first year med

student should have recognized what it was. It was finally found by a REAL

hospital ER I went to for something totally unrelated. Well, maybe it

was...is a bladder infection due to diabetes sometimes? Anyway, I don't

have any doubt in the world that I'd be dead right now if it'd been left to

the county clinic. I hate it. Their " medical care " (and I use the term

loosely) stinks. It makes me so angry that I must rely on them for my

stroke and diabetes treatment. I went to another, just as incompetent,

hospital when I had my stroke. I truly believe that their negligence caused

or least made worse a second stroke I had. That one did the most damage. I

shouldn't have had one *in the hospital*, IMO. If they had been monitoring

me like they should have been, they should have seen it coming and been able

to act appropriately.

Sorry to get off on a rant! It's just a national disgrace that people,

because they're poor and uninsured, can't get the medical care they're

entitled to. I live in Texas and I understand that the welfare system here

is one of the worse.

Love,

Jeannie

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I have heard horror stories about the British NHS--people having to wait

months for operations, being unable to get in to see a doctor, being

stuck with a less-than-comptent doctor. The mother of a friend of mine

went undiagnosed with diabetes for several years in the UK before coming

to the US.

Our health care system here in the US has problems and is far from

perfect, but it is the best in the world. This may be seen by the fact

that people come to the US from all over the world for treatment, and

doctors come from all over the world for training. The only time you

see people from the US going overseas for treatment is for crackpot

'cures' like laetrile; the only time you find Americans going overseas

for medical training is when they couldn't get into a US medical school.

Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average

blood sugars ...

I am so pleased that i live in the UK as we have

free medical care and as i suffer from Hashimoto's disease i

got free prescriptions and now i have diabetes i wouldn't be

able to afford the medication with out our wonderful

health service

Love and Hugs

Dot xxx

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> Our health care system here in the US has problems and is far from

> perfect, but it is the best in the world.

Sorry Bruce, you are confusing health care system and " the best

helath care a person can afford if they have the money...or the press

releases to tug on the heart strings...to buy " .

Yes, perhaps some of the better doctors are trained and work in the

US, but your " system " stinks!

The system incorporates all levels of care, for all people, not just

the highest level of care for some people.

I would rather be in a place that offers good care to all, than play

the lottery in the US and I hope that I would be one of the fortunate

ones who can afford the good health care. A good system provides for

all of the people.

People in Canada who have no work based health care can still get

government based medical coverage. You aren't covered for private

rooms in hospital, but you can still go into any hospital ER and have

everything covered, including a stay at the hospital ward. There is

always prescription help...it is part of welfare.

I don't think I would ever hear someone in Canada say what I have

heard from so many on this list, " My BGs are high because I haven't

taken my meds because I couldn't afford the prescription " , or, " I

only test once a day because I am only covered for that many strips " .

I'm sorry, but that is a travesty...and disgusting that one of the

riches countries in the world would allow its own citizens to be in

that sort of position.

The Canadian Healthcare System isn't the best and there are some

problems, but the actually system and the equal access to health care

is fair and just. The only people who leave Canada for the US for

health care are the ones who can afford it and they want to " jump the

queue " just because they have money. To be honest, the US is welcome

to people like that...and these people will fare better in the US

healthcare system of " best care for most money " .

Thankfully, the rest of us who cannot pay those sort of amounts are

protected and treated fairly. There are many SYSTEMS better than the

US.

~ Jayd

[Guest guest]

Under various Federal and State laws, publicly funded hospitals are not

permitted to turn a patient away on the basis of inability to pay.

Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

> Our health care system here in the US has problems and is far from

> perfect, but it is the best in the world.

Sorry Bruce, you are confusing health care system and " the best

helath care a person can afford if they have the money...or the press

releases to tug on the heart strings...to buy " .

[Guest guest]

i agree the nhs has its faults but everybody is equal we don't have to rely

on health insurance or the abilty to pay

Love and Hugs

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-- Re: A1C numbers and how they corolate to average blood

sugars ...

> Our health care system here in the US has problems and is far from

> perfect, but it is the best in the world.

Sorry Bruce, you are confusing health care system and " the best

helath care a person can afford if they have the money...or the press

releases to tug on the heart strings...to buy " .

Yes, perhaps some of the better doctors are trained and work in the

US, but your " system " stinks!

The system incorporates all levels of care, for all people, not just

the highest level of care for some people.

I would rather be in a place that offers good care to all, than play

the lottery in the US and I hope that I would be one of the fortunate

ones who can afford the good health care. A good system provides for

all of the people.

People in Canada who have no work based health care can still get

government based medical coverage. You aren't covered for private

rooms in hospital, but you can still go into any hospital ER and have

everything covered, including a stay at the hospital ward. There is

always prescription help...it is part of welfare.

I don't think I would ever hear someone in Canada say what I have

heard from so many on this list, " My BGs are high because I haven't

taken my meds because I couldn't afford the prescription " , or, " I

only test once a day because I am only covered for that many strips " .

I'm sorry, but that is a travesty...and disgusting that one of the

riches countries in the world would allow its own citizens to be in

that sort of position.

The Canadian Healthcare System isn't the best and there are some

problems, but the actually system and the equal access to health care

is fair and just. The only people who leave Canada for the US for

health care are the ones who can afford it and they want to " jump the

queue " just because they have money. To be honest, the US is welcome

to people like that...and these people will fare better in the US

healthcare system of " best care for most money " .

Thankfully, the rest of us who cannot pay those sort of amounts are

protected and treated fairly. There are many SYSTEMS better than the

US.

~ Jayd

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Ditto. My 5 year old goddaughter is being treated for Ewing's Sarc at MD

in Houston. When their health insurance caps you either have the money

or you are out the door. That will never happen here. We have our problems too

but everyone gets treatment.

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Thankfully, the rest of us who cannot pay those sort of amounts are

protected and treated fairly. There are many SYSTEMS better than the

US.

~ Jayd

[Guest guest]

If so, then why do people come from all over the world for treatment

here? If our system were so dreadful, one would expect to see a great

stream of Americans going overseas for treatment. We don't, so it

isn't.

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blood sugars ...

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Thankfully, the rest of us who cannot pay those sort of amounts are

protected and treated fairly. There are many SYSTEMS better than the

US.

~ Jayd

[Guest guest]

You have a great healthcare system but not everyone can afford it. By the way

the message you quoted was not from me.

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If so, then why do people come from all over the world for treatment

here? If our system were so dreadful, one would expect to see a great

stream of Americans going overseas for treatment. We don't, so it

isn't.

[Guest guest]

> If so, then why do people come from all over the world for treatment

> here? If our system were so dreadful, one would expect to see a

great

> stream of Americans going overseas for treatment. We don't, so it

> isn't.

Like I said before - there is a difference between system and the

maximum level of care that one person may be able to afford. I'm not

disputing the level of care that is found in the US, I'm disputing

the system that doesn't allow everyone to access that great care. The

system is flawed. The only people who come to the US is people who

have the money to pay for the best, meanwhile American citizens

cannot afford the same level of care. The US system would allow a

rich foreign person to pay for care, while a poor US citizen goes

without. That is not a good system for the country. It is a system

that says, " rich people deserve better care " . It says that money is

greater than people.

~ Jayd

[Guest guest]

I would just like to find a E-mail list that conserned with

Diabetes. My mail box fills up with junk mail from this list,

and I find my self not reading it.

Can anybody recommend a serious diabetes e-mail list?

This one is turning into a chat room.

Stan

[Guest guest]

Ummm... Right now I don't have health insurance and can't afford it, my

allergies and asthma aren't getting proper treatment, I can't afford my

medications, I don't qualify for help either, partly because of cutbacks in the

city health clinics, needed dental surgery hasn't happened, and if I had a

serious medical problem I'd be in trouble.

I live in the U.S.

Dora

[Guest guest]

Nope, actually the U.S. has the highest rate of infant mortality among

industrialized nations.

Dora

[Guest guest]

"

I would just like to find a E-mail list that conserned with

Diabetes. My mail box fills up with junk mail from this list,

and I find my self not reading it.

Can anybody recommend a serious diabetes e-mail list?

This one is turning into a chat room. "

Atleast people on this list answer your questions.

Many of the discussions on this list don't interest me, so I don't read them.

But from what I can see they all pertain to diabetes.

We just had some patriots feel they needed to squash someone in Britain for

being grateful for getting good health care - happens everywhere. It's

irritating.

Dora