Re: Do multivitamins cause inflammatioon?

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there's many angles- even the stomach acids don't seem right..But believe me in

a stool sample if you know what to look for you'll find pore forming membrane

damaging toxins that mean the bacteria down there can worm hole there way

throughout your gastrointestinal tract. creating loads of inflammatory

conditions..You obviously gain benefit from not feeding the beasties or looking

at a different angle, using one of the specialised diets that suit your

ilness...

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> > Leaky gut is the TOXINS..Membrane damaging pore forming TOXINS= leaky

gut..Leaky gut occured because of something like antibiotic use or chemical

irritation..

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[Guest guest]

The term autoimmune has never sat well with me either. I tend to go more with

cause and effect. Autoimmune suggests that there is no reason for the attack

when there are many reasons that the body can be on the warpath. It's trying to

protect itself from lots of invaders. Even inflammation is act of protection.

The germ theory was debunked as well even though it is clear that germs thrive

in an acidic environment. They didn't create the environment.

> Actually, I'm not at all convinced that MS is autoimmune because there are

differences between it and other autoimmune conditions. Dr. O. Young

makes a convincing case that this is more about acidity. As an MT, I totally

agree with what he has to say about lymphocyte activity - that they are present

to CLEAN UP the damage, rather than attacking and causing the damage. Of

course, their activity does cause inflammation and an increase in symptoms

regardless of the specific disease label one has been given.

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> And in case you didn't know, before the mainstream medical establishment

decided that MS was autoimmune, they previously thought that it was due to an

infectious agent. So, that means your theory is not only mainstream, but old

news and written off. (I'm being sarcastic here, hope you don't take

offense)

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> Crystal

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I'm starting that cleanse tomorrow! I wanted to start today but something came

up. I have a bowl full of lemons, a jar of organic cayenne pepper, a jug of

maple syrup and thou!

> That's not to say that antimicrobials don't have a role on the path back to

health. I, myself, did the course of minocycline for C. pneumoniae. Felt like

crap almost the entire time, was it die-off? Don't know, but I do know that I

started a 10-day Master Cleanse immediately after coming off the antibiotics.

By day 2 I was on top of the world after having felt like crap for weeks.

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> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree Crystal.

Also the BBD is more looking at slowing/stopping progression so I see it a bit

like saving for retirement (which I never did but wish I had) i.e.helping me in

the long run.

Janet

To: mscured

From: freewitheft@...

I'm going to make a statement about the BBD and, , I hope you don't take

it as a personal affront because it's surely not intended that way! In fact, the

first time I made this statement was to a mother who said that a gluten-free,

casein-free diet did not help her autistic child and that was years before MS

ever became personal to me. The statement is/was " How do we know that this diet

does not work for everyone? Perhaps it's just a matter of *how long* it takes to

work for an individual. " I walked into this diet and other therapies not

expecting to see results in under a year. Also, one of the reasons that studying

this diet with strict scientific methods is so hard - it's very difficult to

verify how stringently an individual adheres to the treatment beyond their own

testimony. Who is going to monitor an individual's ELISA results and every

morsel of food they consume 24 hours per day, every day?

, you said yourself that your recent increase in symptoms is likely the

result of a consumption of food that was indicated off-limits by ELISA. That

clearly indicates the role of the gut. If I had to make an educated guess, I

would say that the reason you saw initial results with the BBD that then

declined was because you developed a sensitivity to a food when your consumption

of it increased with the change in diet. This is exactly what happened to me

with eggs. I didn't start out with the sensitivity, but I sure have it now! All

we can do is be vigilant with a food diary and rotating what we eat as much as

possible...at least until we can heal our guts!

Crystal

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Good luck!

Janet

To: mscured

From: alpdesigns1@...

Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 00:17:09 +0000

Subject: Re: Do multivitamins cause inflammatioon?

I'm starting that cleanse tomorrow! I wanted to start today but something came

up. I have a bowl full of lemons, a jar of organic cayenne pepper, a jug of

maple syrup and thou!

> That's not to say that antimicrobials don't have a role on the path back to

health. I, myself, did the course of minocycline for C. pneumoniae. Felt like

crap almost the entire time, was it die-off? Don't know, but I do know that I

started a 10-day Master Cleanse immediately after coming off the antibiotics. By

day 2 I was on top of the world after having felt like crap for weeks.

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> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

Crystal, in MS, the TOXIN that destroys your nervous system came first

unfortunately..Without the bacteria creating this TOXIN, you shouldn't have

MS...I think you may have this bacteria in your youth but being resilient while

growing up the damage starts when the growth stops...but you may have had

tonsilitis, ear infections, even urinary tract stuff going on early in the

piece..

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> > Leaky gut is the TOXINS..Membrane damaging pore forming TOXINS= leaky

gut..Leaky gut occured because of something like antibiotic use or chemical

irritation..

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> Absolutely, so the question is really which came first...the chicken or the

egg? I think that, regardless of what kind of chemical affront caused the leaky

gut, that condition is what results in the compromised immune system, allowing

opportunistic infections along with a host of other problems. So tackling the

leaky gut is the ultimate goal.

>

> That's not to say that antimicrobials don't have a role on the path back to

health. I, myself, did the course of minocycline for C. pneumoniae. Felt like

crap almost the entire time, was it die-off? Don't know, but I do know that I

started a 10-day Master Cleanse immediately after coming off the antibiotics.

By day 2 I was on top of the world after having felt like crap for weeks.

>

> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

Good luck ! Be sure to post or email me if you just need a little

support. I'm sure part of the energy boost is just the diversion from digestion

but it sure didn't matter to me. I just enjoy being on top of the world. Til I

hit detox mode that is. lol BTW, my tongue was still coated even at the end of

my 20-day MC, so I don't go by that yet. Maybe someday I'll get that coveted

clean tongue!

Crystal

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> I'm starting that cleanse tomorrow! I wanted to start today but something

came up. I have a bowl full of lemons, a jar of organic cayenne pepper, a jug of

maple syrup and thou!

>

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[Guest guest]

You can e-mail me for support too. I went 30 days with no problem and it was my

first fast ever. And I still had a white tongue even at the end of 30 days. I

may do another fast...maybe 10 days, but not sure when I'll do it yet.

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> Good luck ! Be sure to post or email me if you just need a little

support. I'm sure part of the energy boost is just the diversion from digestion

but it sure didn't matter to me. I just enjoy being on top of the world. Til I

hit detox mode that is. lol BTW, my tongue was still coated even at the end of

my 20-day MC, so I don't go by that yet. Maybe someday I'll get that coveted

clean tongue!

[Guest guest]

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> I think we will have to 'agree to disagree' on whether the BBD heals

everyone--if given enough time and done strictly. I don't think there'a anyway

to know that.

Right, I don't think there's a way either. I'm just saying that the possibility

is just as valid as the possibility that it doesn't work for everyone.

> Anyway, I did ELISA testing twice. The first time I came up as eggs and kiwi

being my only problem foods.

Honestly, I'm glad I never scraped the money together for ELISA testing. I

really think that a food diary can be just as reliable, if not more. Once we

figure out approximately how long it takes for a reaction to show up (36-48

hours for me), it's pretty easy to pinpoint the culprit. And when you develop a

new sensitivity like I did, who wants to keep testing over & over?

> But in any case, like you, since I ate the eggs a couple weeks ago I have not

felt the same. That is, I feel much worse.

I know, I can hear it in your words all over this post. The thing that really

sucks is that when you feel like crap, you think crap, and it's hard to get back

on track.

> It was so dumb of me, in retrospect, I don't know what I was thinking.

I'm thinking the same thing about the ex's announcement that he's coming next

week. I sooooooooo should've realized that it was going to cause stress even if

I didn't feel stressed. I mean, his actions were the stress that caused my

original bout of optic neuritis. lol I should know better. Oh well, hindsight

is 20/20.

>I have been juice fasting the past 3 days with no improvements so far. Brain

fog is really bad, among other issues--even a couple new symptoms. This really

sucks. I hate MS.

>

I know, and I feel for you. Hang in there ! Like said, I think the

best thing is to just stick with it. You know, I'm just remembering that I

think I had a similar round of symptoms like this at this time last year. The

acupuncturist attributed it to the change of season, especially the increase in

windy days. He said he was seeing lots of clients having increased symptoms,

not just with MS.

Crystal