Re: Do multivitamins cause inflammatioon?

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lydia'

Do you really believe that your body is going to go forward in leaps and bounds

by taking a pill in the form of a multivitamin?I think the most important thing

that we have learned as the chronically ill is that most of what we are being

fed by doctors and pharmaceutical companies is bullshit. REcently I decided to

take all the supplements a friend took(mainly digestive enzymes and

multivitamins) and to my amazement I developed insomnia like she's been having

for the majority of her adult life..Also swayze, still alive, claims not

to want to feed his cancer with supplements..You basically don't know what your

doing when introducing these alternatives to eating well..In my case I'm pretty

sure due to the use of the multivitamin, I could feel the brain stem

inflammation firing up keeping me awake and making it difficult to sleep.On

another note my mother alway's claimed that her heavy use of paracetamol was her

way of getting to sleep at night..

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> I've checked out the sites and other than stata MEGA multivitamins may cause

inflamation. Since I am eager to add to my knowlege base, I look forward to

reviewing any link that makes this claim...Lydia

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[Guest guest]

Tony,

I eat extremely well and do not have insomnia. I do not think a claim by

Swazy counts as scientific evidence. What is your background? I've

asked you before,privately, but you never responded. As I understand it, you do

not have MS but your sister does, is that correct? I don't want to get into an

argument with you about the use of multivitamins, I would just like the chance

to review links stating Multivitamins cause inflammation. I am open to learning

something that may change my mind but it has to be based on fact, not personal

opinion...Lydia

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> > I've checked out the sites and other than stata MEGA multivitamins may cause

inflamation. Since I am eager to add to my knowlege base, I look forward to

reviewing any link that makes this claim...Lydia

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[Guest guest]

Multi-vitamins may not contain nutrients in the correct ratio to suit everyone's

needs. That does not mean that they cause inflamation. Not all multis are

equal. One-a-day, for example, is garbage. Some are better than others. We all

have different regimens based on what works for us. And as Lydia pointed out,

it's key to have a good diet. Pills alone won't make you healthy but they

sometimes make up some defeciencies.

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> Tony,

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> I eat extremely well and do not have insomnia. I do not think a claim by

Swazy counts as scientific evidence. What is your background? I've

asked you before,privately, but you never responded. As I understand it, you do

not have MS but your sister does, is that correct? I don't want to get into an

argument with you about the use of multivitamins, I would just like the chance

to review links stating Multivitamins cause inflammation. I am open to learning

something that may change my mind but it has to be based on fact, not personal

opinion...Lydia

[Guest guest]

> And as Lydia pointed out, it's key to have a good diet. Pills alone won't

make you healthy but they sometimes make up some defeciencies.

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I totally agree. I used be against the use of supplements, back in the days when

I lived in Alaska and was probably deficient in Vit D no matter how much time I

spent outside. Not really a surprise to end up with MS. Anyways, I started

changing my mind when I realized just how depleted our soil is these days. The

nutrient content of just about everything seems to be going down over the years.

That's the basis of the Seafood Diet. I'll have to find the link, pretty sure

someone posted it on this list. The premise is that seafood is the only source

of food left on the planet that contains all the necessary trace elements. It

made a lot of sense to me. Even if I could afford it though, I don't know that

I could eat seafood everyday for 3 months!

Crystal

[Guest guest]

I would be concerned about the mercury content. Fish has become very

contaminated with other toxins as well.

> That's the basis of the Seafood Diet. I'll have to find the link, pretty sure

someone posted it on this list. The premise is that seafood is the only source

of food left on the planet that contains all the necessary trace elements. It

made a lot of sense to me. Even if I could afford it though, I don't know that

I could eat seafood everyday for 3 months!

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> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

lydia

I don't have MS, my cousin does..I suffered from ME CFS FIBROMYALGIA...I no

longer suffer anything and am back to normal health (pre ilness) and back

working after 8 years of ill health.I explained that I'm more than keen to share

WHAT I FEEL CAUSES THE PROBLEMS IN CHRONIC DISEASES-TOXINS AND THE BACTERIA THAT

DELIVER THEM ..I new this to be the complete and only cause of my symptoms and

to my amazement my cousins MS has a similar pattern..In his blood he has

BACTERIA AND THEY DELIVER A SINISTER NEW TOXIN WHICH I HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. I

OBSERVED tHIS TOXIN AFTER HAVING HAD OVER 100 SAMPLES FROM CFS FIBROMYALGIA

PATIENTS- OBSERVING THERE TOXINS..

I'm self employed and work with new technology types of equipment that I have to

keep running, fault finding, hence my angles of approach to health issues...

Early in the disease process I realised that dealing with doctors was a joke and

moved away from that and only dealt with pathology labs,(scientists) and took

the next step and learnt how to do the science myself..I would walk into my

regular GP's office show him the science and get the prescriptions I needed to

get me well- this isn't a problem when your doctor understands that the system

he's a part of is full of crap..

I don't come here to sell anyone anything. I also realise that these groups

frown upon anyone that has a message that doesn't suit the controlling

minority..I just have to put across the message that I strongly felt that MS IS

CAUSED BY TOXINS CREATED BY THE BACTERIA THAT LIVE IN AND AROUND THERE BODY,

BLOODSTREAM..if you don't believe that, get a satisfactory answer to why you red

cell numbers are being lowered..This alone is the clean and clear scientific

evidence that your body is being hammered by the bacteria and there

toxins.There's nothing smoke and mirrors about that..

I also understand what you eat and the environment play a huge role in keeping

things calm and slowing the destruction process..Making mistakes by using some

supplements and multivitamins is also part of the learning curve..I also feel

that advanced patients can't analyze the increase in inflammation levels

especially when they eat really well to suit there disease...

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> > > I've checked out the sites and other than stata MEGA multivitamins may

cause inflamation. Since I am eager to add to my knowlege base, I look forward

to reviewing any link that makes this claim...Lydia

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[Guest guest]

Since we don't know what triggered MS and it's different for all of us, some

have mercury toxicity or aspartame poisoning and some have Lyme disease (for

example) which came first? The toxin or the bacteria. My last blood test showed

me to have alkaline blood. Why?

I strongly felt that MS IS CAUSED BY TOXINS CREATED BY THE BACTERIA THAT LIVE

IN AND AROUND THERE BODY, BLOODSTREAM..if you don't believe that, get a

satisfactory answer to why you red cell numbers are being lowered..This alone is

the clean and clear scientific evidence that your body is being hammered by the

bacteria and there toxins.There's nothing smoke and mirrors about that..

[Guest guest]

Tony,

Based on your philosophy of the cause of MS and your own healing of your

illness, what do you believe is the solution or protocol that will lead to

healing of MS?

Thanks,

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> lydia

> I don't have MS, my cousin does..I suffered from ME CFS FIBROMYALGIA...I no

longer suffer anything and am back to normal health (pre ilness) and back

working after 8 years of ill health.I explained that I'm more than

[Guest guest]

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> My last blood test showed me to have alkaline blood. Why?

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Did you have an arterial blood gas done? Way different than a normal blood draw

(and painful!). It's usually done from an artery in the wrist and the syringe

must be immediately placed on ice. Just wondering because that's the only pH

measurement one can really rely on. I wouldn't trust urine indicators either.

Crystal

[Guest guest]

Tony, I have been reading your posts with interest and caution. There is one

thing missing so, what exactly did you do? After all it sounds like you found

out sth that could bring all of us here closer to a " cure " but I haven't seen

your " protocol " , your approach.

In general, I agree, that toxins are a huge problem and the imbalance of

micro-organisms are an issue in most chronic illness. However, are you saying

not to detox (or differently) , not to eat healthier, like it doesn't matter?

Which I will not agree with. But will you please tell us what it was/is that you

do.did?

Thanks, Bianca

[Guest guest]

Yes. I had arterial blood drawn and it WAS painful! It took three tries to get

the needle in the right place and three nurses to hold me still after the first

botched jab. I wanted to know my blood pH. Urine and saliva tests can give good

information too because different parts of the body need different pH levels to

work properly.

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> Did you have an arterial blood gas done? Way different than a normal blood

draw (and painful!). It's usually done from an artery in the wrist and the

syringe must be immediately placed on ice. Just wondering because that's the

only pH measurement one can really rely on. I wouldn't trust urine indicators

either.

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> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

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> Yes. I had arterial blood drawn and it WAS painful! It took three tries to

get the needle in the right place and three nurses to hold me still after the

first botched jab.

Yeah, as much as I'd like to know mine, I don't think I'd volunteer!

Crystal

[Guest guest]

Believe it or not, I ASKED to have it done! I won't be doing it again. I'm

going to go by the recommended therapies and work from there. If I do better

the suggestions were good. If I do worse the suggestions need tweeking. My wrist

will remain untweeked! Once was enough for me.

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> Yeah, as much as I'd like to know mine, I don't think I'd volunteer!

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> Crystal

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[Guest guest]

Toxins off course..Why would your blood change unless something is being dumped

into it..I'm also only interested in bacteria you can grow and observe, many

other types of theories are just stories in my opinion when it comes to

bacteria....

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> My last blood test showed me to have alkaline blood. Why?

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[Guest guest]

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> Tony,

> Based on your philosophy of the cause of MS and your own healing of your

illness, what do you believe is the solution or protocol that will lead to

healing of MS?

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> Thanks,

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this depends on how much damage has been caused to your body..treatments would

vary, but the most important part of my treatment involves the science of

watching how the growths are going heavy growths, medium growths, no growths

while doing the antimocrobials...

With MS you'd need a tuberculosis approach to treatment, that may last one to

two years or even upto 5 years for advanced cases..All you can really promise

many is a constant gradual shift forwards to better health rather than a

guessing style treatment and hope for the best type of approach like they do

when they pump you up with chaemo drugs....

[Guest guest]

Exactly. Why would bacteria and its waste be the only thing toxic that you

would consider? I think that we should look at all poisons, man made or nature

made. We were born with bacteria, we live with bacteria all around us.

Something has changed its course. This is the pleomorphism point of view. I

want to know what pulled the trigger and why.

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Why would your blood change unless something is being dumped into

[Guest guest]

Bianca

I'm alway's saying eat healthy..When you do a candida style diet it's all about

not feeding the beasties, once there fed they have the ability to cause major

havoc..Feed them sugar and they'll ferment it and make your drunk.

I alway's feel that MS style diets have been developed over many years and fall

into a size that fits most..Why would I say don't do that...

I'm very suspect on SOME supplements. Some will absolutely without fail advance

your disease, so you need to be carefull about fuelling your ilness...You can't

go into a petrochemical factory and smoke cigarettes...

Detox? what is detox and how do I know it works? I would think an hour in the

ocean with waves pounding your body and your skin softening allowing your

crusted toxins to be released is the only real detox.Forgot to mention that it

also addresses your inflammation....Ohh I think colonics also realease large

amounts of bacteria and there toxins, so that helps..As far as taking apill

binding toxins and removing them from your body- more fiction than fact IMO..

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> Tony, I have been reading your posts with interest and caution. There is one

thing missing so, what exactly did you do? After all it sounds like you found

out sth that could bring all of us here closer to a " cure " but I haven't seen

your " protocol " , your approach.

> In general, I agree, that toxins are a huge problem and the imbalance of

micro-organisms are an issue in most chronic illness. However, are you saying

not to detox (or differently) , not to eat healthier, like it doesn't matter?

Which I will not agree with. But will you please tell us what it was/is that you

do.did?

> Thanks, Bianca

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[Guest guest]

Because in the case of MS and many autoimmune conditions the bacteria have

genetics that are causing harm ..Your not sitting in the middle of a toxic waste

site, your body has become a toxic manufacturing plant..Your all navigating

controlling this manufacturing process by everything everyone's talking about on

these sites.Diet, environment, supplements...

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> Why would your blood change unless something is being dumped into

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[Guest guest]

So what do you suggest we should do? And if the process is genetic to the

bacteria why would the same solution apply to all of us?

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> Because in the case of MS and many autoimmune conditions the bacteria have

genetics that are causing harm ..Your not sitting in the middle of a toxic waste

site, your body has become a toxic manufacturing plant..Your all navigating

controlling this manufacturing process by everything everyone's talking about on

these sites.Diet, environment, supplements...

[Guest guest]

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> So what do you suggest we should do? And if the process is genetic to the

bacteria why would the same solution apply to all of us?

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Look, the genetics of the bacteria make it a different progression of ilness in

us all..You get in a flare because of what you ate, the same food group or set

of environmental conditions is bliss for someone else.The solution is not the

same to us all, I described how depending on your status you need to keep doing

therapy from 1 to whatever years...You basically need to go forwards and heal

your body constantly...

[Guest guest]

This is what we do. Some people have a vitamin deficiency some have mineral

deficiencies. Some people have developed food allergens. Some have metals. I

think the bacteria is secondary. Garbage doesn't come to a pile of flies, flies

come to the garbage.

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> Look, the genetics of the bacteria make it a different progression of ilness

in us all..You get in a flare because of what you ate, the same food group or

set of environmental conditions is bliss for someone else.The solution is not

the same to us all, I described how depending on your status you need to keep

doing therapy from 1 to whatever years...You basically need to go forwards and

heal your body constantly...

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[Guest guest]

I think you've got things wrong..If you sent me 10 samples numbered from 1 to 10

I'd feel pretty confident I'd pick the right number sample from the MS

patient..The other 9 can be healthy controls..You have to follow the TOXINS in

this ilness- all that happens after your body is being hammered, is secondary

IMO..

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> > Look, the genetics of the bacteria make it a different progression of

ilness in us all..You get in a flare because of what you ate, the same food

group or set of environmental conditions is bliss for someone else.The solution

is not the same to us all, I described how depending on your status you need to

keep doing therapy from 1 to whatever years...You basically need to go forwards

and heal your body constantly...

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[Guest guest]

Tony,

I find your theories intriguing, yet cryptic, ambiguous and hard to get to the

specifics in a way the would give us practical help we can use...Can you provide

a more step-by-step procedure of the testing and protocol measures you recommend

for an MS patient to heal.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

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> Tony,

> I find your theories intriguing, yet cryptic, ambiguous and hard to get to the

specifics in a way the would give us practical help we can use...Can you provide

a more step-by-step procedure of the testing and protocol measures you recommend

for an MS patient to heal.

>

> Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

You have to find the bacteria in your bloodstream by doing CULTURES, you then

observe it's activity to confirm it's putting out TOXINS, you then attack it

fiercly with antimicrobials that kill it and follow up with more testing to make

sure the job is succesfull.You have to keep cleaning out your body and allow

healing to take place.Remember these Toxins are like acid and create lots of

scar tissue where bugs can hide, not to mention the long term approach needed to

cleaning bony sites.

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> Tony,

> I find your theories intriguing, yet cryptic, ambiguous and hard to get to the

specifics in a way the would give us practical help we can use...Can you provide

a more step-by-step procedure of the testing and protocol measures you recommend

for an MS patient to heal.

>

> Thanks,

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