Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Boy are you lucky! My first abscess surgery was covered by BC/BS since it was an extraction. The second one He saved the tooth so I had to pay $1000. Margaret B > OK, I'll hold out until Wednesday. You are right about the > pocketbook. I can't believe they consider dental work a luxury > when it can come on without warning and take you out just like any > other illness. I've got to show up Wednesday with $300 cash for > what the insurance doesn't cover. > > Angie aka HarleyLady-DD > Carson City, NV; Information Technology professional, Single, five > children (3 at home), 2 dogs, 6 cats, snow skiing, camping, Harley > Rider, HOG member, Blue Thong Society member, opinionated, > outspoken, and open minded. > > " It's always something. " ~~~Gilda Radner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Lori, Sorry it took me so long to answer your question. I somehow overlooked your question email and just saw the link to the Fibro Myths. I have wondered about that myself--a lot. I talked to my doctor about the weather affecting my pain. The way he explains it as far as I can remember, is that your body is mostly made of of fluid, it is like a barometer. When the weather changes, the fluid around you joints and in the bursae around you muscles can expand like in a barometer and cause pain. Since I have radiological evidence of arthritis in some of my joints, I have to discount fibromyalgia as the cause of most of my joint pain. I will say that I sometimes have terrible hip pain, and my hip x-rays were normal--so that pain is not in the joint although it feels like the joint is breaking. Since " Lyrica is an anti-epileptic drug, also called an anticonvulsant. It works by slowing down impulses in the brain that cause seizures. Lyrica also affects chemicals in the brain that send pain signals across the nervous system., and it has helped some people that have fibro " and Nuerontin (another drug given for Fibro) works in a similar way, that makes me think that when they " slow down or stop " the pain signals, the drug works. To me that would have nothing to do with depression. Its a shame that they cannot seem to make a firm connection with the fact that depression does occur when a person is in constant pain--it seems so obvious. Anyway, that is my opinion. I thank you Lori for bringing this up. I hope everybody will share their opinion and we can discuss this. Love, Annie > > Guys, > > I was just thinking about the fibro myths when it says it is not the connective tissue muscles, or joint damage. Well I just started thinking don't most of us start hurting when the weather changes? I know I have read quite a few posts including my own stating that the weather affects our fibro something fierce! What would that have to do with our brain stimuli? To me that just seems more like the muscles and the connective tissues, not the brain stimuli or depression. If you read through those carefully it is almost disheartening as they are saying it could be another 12 years before they come to any more conclusions about fibro. That Dr.s still cannot decide if it is a psychological disease caused by depression (yea right another excuse for them) or is it something to do with our joints and connective tissues? I feel it is still the latter. Maybe I am not understanding it correctly and am not saying this person is wrong. But how does your body feel? How do > your joints feel? > Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering how the group really feels about what it is saying? > > Hope all of you are having a good day! > Lori H > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 I get terrible headaches when it rains. I am a human barometer. > > Guys, > > I was just thinking about the fibro myths when it says it is not the connective tissue muscles, or joint damage. Well I just started thinking don't most of us start hurting when the weather changes? I know I have read quite a few posts including my own stating that the weather affects our fibro something fierce! What would that have to do with our brain stimuli? To me that just seems more like the muscles and the connective tissues, not the brain stimuli or depression. If you read through those carefully it is almost disheartening as they are saying it could be another 12 years before they come to any more conclusions about fibro. That Dr.s still cannot decide if it is a psychological disease caused by depression (yea right another excuse for them) or is it something to do with our joints and connective tissues? I feel it is still the latter. Maybe I am not understanding it correctly and am not saying this person is wrong. But how does your body feel? How do > your joints feel? > Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering how the group really feels about what it is saying? > > Hope all of you are having a good day! > Lori H > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 , Do you think Fibro is a psychological disease caused by depression? Or, do you think it is in our joints and connective tissue? I think this is a basic notion that we can address in the group and come up with some examples of our pain that do not support Fibro being caused by depression. I understand about your headaches. I get them if I forget to take my sinus medicine in cold weather. I think headaches are one of the worst pains. I hope you have a pain free day. Love, Annie > > > > Guys, > > > > I was just thinking about the fibro myths when it says it is not > the connective tissue muscles, or joint damage. Well I just started > thinking don't most of us start hurting when the weather changes? I > know I have read quite a few posts including my own stating that the > weather affects our fibro something fierce! What would that have to > do with our brain stimuli? To me that just seems more like the > muscles and the connective tissues, not the brain stimuli or > depression. If you read through those carefully it is almost > disheartening as they are saying it could be another 12 years before > they come to any more conclusions about fibro. That Dr.s still cannot > decide if it is a psychological disease caused by depression (yea > right another excuse for them) or is it something to do with our > joints and connective tissues? I feel it is still the latter. Maybe > I am not understanding it correctly and am not saying this person is > wrong. But how does your body feel? How do > > your joints feel? > > Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all > because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering how > the group really feels about what it is saying? > > > > Hope all of you are having a good day! > > Lori H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get > listings, and more! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Hi Lori, My thinking is that it is something to do with the muscles/tissues, NOT depression/psychological. I think that since doctors can't see the fibro and tests don't show it, then it isn't really there--and it must be " all in our heads. " Of course we know that the pain is really there and most of us remember a time when we had normal (by society's standards) lives. All we want is to go back to normal functioning so that we can live our lives with some enjoyment. I also think that the pain and fatigue cause the depression, not the other way around. I know that having to stay at home and deal with pain on days when I would rather be out having fun makes me pretty darn depressed...and why wouldn't it? Barb --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 WHOA! Ok who said they can relate to fm with Sinusitis? I know for a fact those are not even closely related. I may spend way too much time at the hospital, but do not ever compare a facial migrane to nerve pain. One is pressure in the sinus cavity and the other the misfiring of nerves. Yes I spend alot of time up in neurology and the pain clinc. Why? Cause my boyfriend goes there. I can safely say that diabetic nerve pain is alot closer to fm than a sinus headache. Want the kicker? I HAVE A SINUS INFECTION RIGHT NOW THANKS TO THE CHANGING WEATHER! My face and chest burns, my teeth ache, the throat sore and I have green shit coming out of my eyes. Its freaking gross. Last time I checked fm wasn't even close. So now that we are all a little bit more educated on Sinusitis and how gross it can be I think it best to get off this topic before my head explodes. Anyways night everyone and I will update everyone on our visit to the pain specialist today. Wolfie > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > I was just thinking about the fibro myths when it says it is not > > > the connective tissue muscles, or joint damage. Well I just started > > > thinking don't most of us start hurting when the weather changes? I > > > know I have read quite a few posts including my own stating that the > > > weather affects our fibro something fierce! What would that have > > to > > > do with our brain stimuli? To me that just seems more like the > > > muscles and the connective tissues, not the brain stimuli or > > > depression. If you read through those carefully it is almost > > > disheartening as they are saying it could be another 12 years before > > > they come to any more conclusions about fibro. That Dr.s still > > cannot > > > decide if it is a psychological disease caused by depression (yea > > > right another excuse for them) or is it something to do with our > > > joints and connective tissues? I feel it is still the latter. > > Maybe > > > I am not understanding it correctly and am not saying this person is > > > wrong. But how does your body feel? How do > > > > your joints feel? > > > > Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all > > > because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering > > how > > > the group really feels about what it is saying? > > > > > > > > Hope all of you are having a good day! > > > > Lori H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, > > get > > > listings, and more! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 In a message dated 9/30/2007 8:16:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, dodgeturbo99@... writes: Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering how the group really feels about what it is saying? I have always been told that yes, fibro does involve the muscles, tendons and connective tissue. I know that during this flare I have been in for the past 6 days, that is where I am hurting the most. Gentle hugs, Debi/Ca. CO-owner of _USMCLovedOnes4Support _ (http://USMCLovedOnes4Support /) Proud and Blessed Mom of 3 Proud MIL of a Marine and a Swiss Blessed Grandma to 6 and one Special Angel, he got his angel wings on 6/14/04 at only 6 days old. New baby, Gavin, born 8/05/06...hooray!!!!!!!!! ASAP: Always Say a Prayer PUSH: Pray Until Something Happens God doesn't give us anything we can't handle, so have the same trust in yourself that God does!!!!!!!! [] ____ ¸...¸ __ / /\____ ,·´º o`·,/__/ _/\_ //____/\ ```)¨(´´´ | | | | | | | || |l±±±± ¸,.-·²°´ ¸,.-·~·~·-.,¸ `°²·-. :º° As for me and my house...we WILL serve the Lord. Please check out Jamey's website at..._www.mingofamily.org_ (http://www.mingofamily.org/) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be a good e-mail buddy, and ALWAYS protect your friends from email address harvesters which can lead to more Spam, unwanted mail, and even viruses. Copy and paste into a new email and place parenthesis around the addresses. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Thanks Barb I feel that it is not enough a myth. About our jointsbeing affected by the cold and like said the extreme heat asit can really affect me also. Thank you. Lori H Hi Lori, My thinking is that it is something to do with the muscles/tissues, NOT depression/psychological. I think that since doctors can't see the fibro and tests don't show it, then it isn't really there--and it must be " all in our heads. " Of course we know that the pain is really there and most of us remember a time when we had normal (by society's standards) lives. All we want is to go back to normal functioning so that we can live our lives with some enjoyment. I also think that the pain and fatigue cause the depression, not the other way around. I know that having to stay at home and deal with pain on days when I would rather be out having fun makes me pretty darn depressed...and why wouldn't it? Barb --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Debi, I would say that 80% of my fibromyalgia pain is directly connected to my muscles. I get knots in them that send shooting pains when they are pressed on. However, I have learned to use deep tissue massage to work the knots out of my muscles and help the muscle relax and releave the pain. Same for the tender points, I use accupressure on them to work through the pain and help releave it. My joints DO hurt but not near close to the amount my muscles do. N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Wolfie, I am not saying anything about sinusitis . I have had one sinus infection in my life and that was eough for me. I am not sure if maybe the person meant the person just meant meant plain old sinues and allergies in general. I lived on a farm for close to 18 years nevr had an allergy that I knew of. then after 3 kids and living in town I started getting them. I have lived on Decongestants and Anhistimines just about as long as I have dx'd with Fibro. They have gotten worse just in the last 6 years. My mother after she had us and was about my age she started having issues with sinuses and and perfumes and certian smells just about lay her out for a day. They make her physically sick. That use to make me so mad at her as she was always complaining. Guess what I have that problem now. Certain smells just about make me sick. Sometimes I feel like I am pregnant again LOL. Can't happen! I know my mom has had fibro for years she has the sinuses, sensitivity to smells and pain for years. But she will not admit it as she cannot bring herself to see mine and well to see hers theres just nothing to see to tell her she has this. I also have a brother I am pretty sure has it. I usually wake up every morning nose all stuffed and eyes pretty gross. I do not know if it has anything to do with fibro but like I said it has been around just as long as the fibro. Other people can have Sinusitis without having fibro. They do not have to go hand in hand. I am just not sure how to explain it. Lori H whitewolf_50112 wrote: WHOA! Ok who said they can relate to fm with Sinusitis? I know for a fact those are not even closely related. I may spend way too much time at the hospital, but do not ever compare a facial migrane to nerve pain. One is pressure in the sinus cavity and the other the misfiring of nerves. Yes I spend alot of time up in neurology and the pain clinc. Why? Cause my boyfriend goes there. I can safely say that diabetic nerve pain is alot closer to fm than a sinus headache. Want the kicker? I HAVE A SINUS INFECTION RIGHT NOW THANKS TO THE CHANGING WEATHER! My face and chest burns, my teeth ache, the throat sore and I have green shit coming out of my eyes. Its freaking gross. Last time I checked fm wasn't even close. So now that we are all a little bit more educated on Sinusitis and how gross it can be I think it best to get off this topic before my head explodes. Anyways night everyone and I will update everyone on our visit to the pain specialist today. Wolfie > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > I was just thinking about the fibro myths when it says it is not > > > the connective tissue muscles, or joint damage. Well I just started > > > thinking don't most of us start hurting when the weather changes? I > > > know I have read quite a few posts including my own stating that the > > > weather affects our fibro something fierce! What would that have > > to > > > do with our brain stimuli? To me that just seems more like the > > > muscles and the connective tissues, not the brain stimuli or > > > depression. If you read through those carefully it is almost > > > disheartening as they are saying it could be another 12 years before > > > they come to any more conclusions about fibro. That Dr.s still > > cannot > > > decide if it is a psychological disease caused by depression (yea > > > right another excuse for them) or is it something to do with our > > > joints and connective tissues? I feel it is still the latter. > > Maybe > > > I am not understanding it correctly and am not saying this person is > > > wrong. But how does your body feel? How do > > > > your joints feel? > > > > Please do not think I am putting this Myth thing down at all > > > because it does bring up some great points but I am just wondering > > how > > > the group really feels about what it is saying? > > > > > > > > Hope all of you are having a good day! > > > > Lori H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, > > get > > > listings, and more! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 Try reading about Trigger Points (different from Tender Points of FM) Trigger points can be relieved by massaging the knots in the muscles and reduce pain -- In Fibromyalgia_Support_Group , " Mystic " wrote: > > Debi, > > I would say that 80% of my fibromyalgia pain is directly connected to > my muscles. I get knots in them that send shooting pains when they are > pressed on. However, I have learned to use deep tissue massage to work > the knots out of my muscles and help the muscle relax and releave the > pain. Same for the tender points, I use accupressure on them to work > through the pain and help releave it. > > My joints DO hurt but not near close to the amount my muscles do. > > N. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 High sed Rate? To: Fibromyalgia_Support_Group@...: jathorn@...: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:55:20 +0000Subject: Re: Question/Angie For me the lack of a high sed rate was one of the things that led them to the FMS dx. Every single blood test they ran was normal so effectively they ruled out everything else and said " Fibromyalgia. " So I'm not sure if the high sed rate is universal among us. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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