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That is good news!! Rae, you can also get on it if

your doctor says it is " inflamitory arthritis " .

-scott

--- Larry and Rae Farrell <farrell@...> wrote:

> Good news! I heard on the news that Enbrel is up

> for FDA approval for PA.

> Rae

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Emla doesn't take too long to get. It is available at the pharmacy,

getting approval for it may take a bit but certainly not as long as the

Enbrel. We pick *both* up at the pharmacy, you probably will too.

Good luck to you and your dd! I hope this all works out great, I hear

such good things about Enbrel.

Lorie

Enbrel

We too will be starting on Enbrel once we can get approval from the

insurance company and the medication arrives from wherever it comes

from. Our daughter has rapidly ran through the meds and we are on to

this one next. A couple questions--the injections I am fine with, an

insulin syringe twice a week. We will try without EMLA and then if

that does not work go with the EMLA.

A couple questions--how long do you normally have to wait to get the

EMLA? Unfortunately to be in the study you need at least 3 joint

involvements. She had more than those before she went in for the

cortisone injections last week and now has 2 knees. Too bad we can't

back date the forms! Also do they (Immunex) mail it directly to you

or does the pharmacy get it and then call. Our pharamacy is awful but

the only one our insurance company will pay for so we are stuck. The

pharmacist did not really know how it works. We faxed paperwork,

mailed paperwork and delivered more to the pharmacy. I am hoping this

works.

e; mom to 14 y.o. with poly

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e,

the way it works in terms of getting Enbrel from your pharmacy is that you

need to give your pharmacy your Enbrel ID #, when you need a refill the

pharmacy (at least mine) has to get permission from the insurance company

and then they call their supplier and it is delivered directly to the

pharmacy. It takes a few days so make sure you reorder in plenty of time.

It's not a product that the pharmacy's are allowed to stock. Sometimes mine

has one or two in stock but usually not.

Bonnie

PHD Products, Inc

http://phdproducts.com 1-800-863-3403

Enbrel

> We too will be starting on Enbrel once we can get approval from the

> insurance company and the medication arrives from wherever it comes

> from. Our daughter has rapidly ran through the meds and we are on to

> this one next. A couple questions--the injections I am fine with, an

> insulin syringe twice a week. We will try without EMLA and then if

> that does not work go with the EMLA.

>

> A couple questions--how long do you normally have to wait to get the

> EMLA? Unfortunately to be in the study you need at least 3 joint

> involvements. She had more than those before she went in for the

> cortisone injections last week and now has 2 knees. Too bad we can't

> back date the forms! Also do they (Immunex) mail it directly to you

> or does the pharmacy get it and then call. Our pharamacy is awful but

> the only one our insurance company will pay for so we are stuck. The

> pharmacist did not really know how it works. We faxed paperwork,

> mailed paperwork and delivered more to the pharmacy. I am hoping this

> works.

>

> e; mom to 14 y.o. with poly

>

>

>

> For links to websites about arthritis and JRA, visit:

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Village/8414/Links.html

>

>

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Dear e,

Sounds like you're doing your job with all the paperwork and enrollment

stuff. Once your pharmacy starts to do their job then hopefully things

will go better. (I remember the hassle we had when we had to switch

pharmacist due to insurance) Usually (hopefully) once all the initial

work is done and they know your daughter will be on it--then it's not as

hard to get it. Our pharmacist will order it about 2 weeks before we

need it just to be sure we have it. Like someone said--make sure to call

them when you are getting low so they can have plenty of time to order

it. Also make sure you get it home and in the refrigerator as soon as

possible. I found in the summer time (when my air conditioner went out

on my van) it helped to take a cooler (just make sure you never " freeze "

it) with me and put it in that as we have at least a 30 minute trip.

(more if we hit road construction etc..) I hope it helps your daughter

as much as it's helped mine. Good Luck!

and Kate--7 severe poly and AVN

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Hi

looks you have enough info on how to get the embrel, i have found out some

extra stuff that might help.

be sure to call the embrel support # that comes with your med. they can

answer alot of questions and are very good about calling back or letting

you talk to a nurse.they will also sign you up to recive a magazine and a

nice portable cooler to carry your meds in, also they have fridge magnets

to remind you what days to take it.

A big plus is to use there needle only to mix it up then use another one

to inject it , theres are dull and dont go so well.

I dont know the dose that you will be using , but the package says the

solution is only good for a short time after diluted if you are like us we

dont use the full amount in the bottle each time and it seamed like a

waste to through the extra away, I talked to the embrel people and they

said that it could be kept 14 days in the fridge after mixing .

Be sure to use a alcohol swab and a new needle the next time to draw out

the rest.all for now good luck

--- boundforlondon <kmckell@...> wrote:

> We too will be starting on Enbrel once we can get approval from the

> insurance company and the medication arrives from wherever it comes

> from. Our daughter has rapidly ran through the meds and we are on to

> this one next. A couple questions--the injections I am fine with, an

> insulin syringe twice a week. We will try without EMLA and then if

> that does not work go with the EMLA.

>

> A couple questions--how long do you normally have to wait to get the

> EMLA? Unfortunately to be in the study you need at least 3 joint

> involvements. She had more than those before she went in for the

> cortisone injections last week and now has 2 knees. Too bad we can't

> back date the forms! Also do they (Immunex) mail it directly to you

> or does the pharmacy get it and then call. Our pharamacy is awful but

> the only one our insurance company will pay for so we are stuck. The

> pharmacist did not really know how it works. We faxed paperwork,

> mailed paperwork and delivered more to the pharmacy. I am hoping this

> works.

>

> e; mom to 14 y.o. with poly

>

>

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I have a friend who is taking a general antibiotic for her RA. SHe has it quite badly and has been on this tx for some time and she is doing very very well! Her hubby is a vet and she was reading about the treatment in one of her hubby's vet journals....talked to her rheumy and got started! For her, it is working wonders!

debby

[ ] Enbrel

Haven't posted in awhile, but been reading behindthe scenes.Just returned from my gastro and rheumatolgist appointments. Doing well with the AIH, liver enzymes are normal, down to 7.5 mg of prednisone. But, need to stay on pred for awhile for "maintenance" to avoid a flare-up. However, my Rheumatologist said that my RA is still progressing despite me being on the prednisone. I tried taking Imuran 2 times but got ill each time. He now wants me to start taking Enbrel - which I agreed to in his office after hearing about it from him. But, of course, I had to do my own research and now I'm not so sure....one of the sides effect "may cause death", kind of bothers me! I know that those side effects are put in there to cover the all the bases, but are usually not the case, but I also remember hearing about it in the news. Anyhow, are there any AIH sufferers who also have RA and are taking Enbrel? If so, any side effects? Do you feel much better? Has it stopped the progression of the rheumatoid arthritis?Would really appreciate any personal experiences...as I'm already starting to feel like I will "chicken out"...then my RA doctor willnot be too happy with me...Happy Holidays to everyone!TerriNV

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In a message dated 12/14/01 8:57:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, TerriMM@... writes:

as I'm already starting to feel like I will "chicken out"...then my RA doctor will

not be too happy with me...

Hmmm -- let's balance out "may cause death" against "my RA doctor will not be too happy with me." Which wins? I'm only teasing you, really.

Sounds like one thing to do is to talk again with the RA, bringing up the negative points you've found. Perhaps there is something about your situation that lessens the risk, or something that makes it exceptionally important that you take it in spite of the risk. I don't know anything about Enbrel, myself.

It is scarey, isn't it?

Harper

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I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate good

results within hours and then got better and better for the next two months

until I felt I was completely well. I have had no side effects. About 6

weeks ago I came down with a cold and the doctor recommended I discontinue

Enbrel until I felt better. Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair

from which I have never completely recovered even though I went back on

Enbrel after one missed dose. I have nothing but high praises for Enbrel

and feel it gave me my life back. Feel free to contact me with any

questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Good luck to you. Elsie

rheumatic Enbrel

> I'm seeking someone who has participated in the Enbrel program! What

> thier symptom where and how this program helped,any side effects,and

> how they are doing at present?

>

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This is a good testimonial for the other side of the coin. The AP doesn't

work for everyone and it is good that other options are available.

I recently had Xrays to access the damage that I have been noticing this

year and the technician told me that her mother had RA but even after 15

years of methotrexate ( this is for you Mark) , her mother was able to work

full time, had no damage, no abnormal labs, and was running daily.

If I do indeed find next week that I am accumulating the type of damage

that I am afraid that I am, I possibly will investigate its use also. Other

options are talked down so often here, but I also have a friend who has

been on it for almost 13 years and she does pretty well. I know that damage

cannot be reversed, thus it needs to be prevented. I would not stop the

antibioitics, just will add to it.

I did become much, much worse on the AP, so that is where It think most of

my damage has come from. I really took a beating for two years. I know for

the first three years of diagnosis that I was just on Plaquenil I had so

very little damage. I also had very little joint involvement. It wasn't

until I started the doxi that almost every joint became involved. I am

attributing this to possibly hidden infection in the joints that the doxi

brought out, but every set of Xrays I have had since have shown more and

more damage. Maybe it just goes with the disease, but I have always read

that early in the diagnosis is when most damage occurs and mine has been

the opposite. It has mostly occurred in the past two years.

I think anyone who is considering alternatives to the AP does realize the

risks, as all of us are our own investigators. We have to be.

At 12:59 AM 1/20/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate good

>results within hours and then got better and better for the next two months

>until I felt I was completely well. I have had no side effects. About 6

>weeks ago I came down with a cold and the doctor recommended I discontinue

>Enbrel until I felt better. Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair

>from which I have never completely recovered even though I went back on

>Enbrel after one missed dose. I have nothing but high praises for Enbrel

>and feel it gave me my life back. Feel free to contact me with any

>questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Good luck to you. Elsie

>

>

> rheumatic Enbrel

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>

> > I'm seeking someone who has participated in the Enbrel program! What

> > thier symptom where and how this program helped,any side effects,and

> > how they are doing at present?

> >

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Elsie,

I am not knowledgeable of Enbrel at all, but do know that some drugs

like Methotrexate depress our immune systems; so, I suppose that may

be the reason your physician had you stop the Enbrel. Do you think

it is possible that Enbrel may, in fact, be part of your getting the

cold or virus that you had? I just copied/pasted the following from

the article Ray posted from LE Magazine about Inflammation, and came

back to post it for others to see:

" Caution: . . . It is important to note that the body uses tumor

necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-a) to acutely fight infections. If

patients are showing any sign of infectious disease, drugs like

Enbrel (that inhibit the effects of TNF-a) are temporarily

discontinued. A new FDA advisory states that patients should be

tested and treated for inactive tuberculosis prior to therapy with

another TNF-á inhibiting therapy (infliximab). Since PTX, fish oil

and nettle directly suppress TNF-á, perhaps these agents should be

temporarily discontinued during the time when one has an active

infection. "

Best to you,

bg

> I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate

good

> results within hours and then got better and better for the next

two months

> until I felt I was completely well. I have had no side effects.

About 6

> weeks ago I came down with a cold and the doctor recommended I

discontinue

> Enbrel until I felt better. Almost immediately I had a terrible RA

flair

> from which I have never completely recovered even though I went

back on

> Enbrel after one missed dose. I have nothing but high praises

for Enbrel

> and feel it gave me my life back. Feel free to contact me with any

> questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Good luck to you.

Elsie

>

>

> rheumatic Enbrel

>

>

> > I'm seeking someone who has participated in the Enbrel program!

What

> > thier symptom where and how this program helped,any side

effects,and

> > how they are doing at present?

> >

> >

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribe@e...

> >

> >

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Elsie wrote:

>> I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate good

results within hours and then got better and better for the next two months

until I felt I was completely well. (snip) the doctor recommended I

discontinue Enbrel (snip) Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair from

which I have never completely recovered (snip) <<

This is a very common story when the " symptoms " of any disease are masked by

drugs but the cause of the disease is not addressed. Elsie's description is

succinct and exact... the Rx drug " fixed the symptoms " but did nothing to

address the " cause. " Once the Rx drug was stopped, the symptoms being

" masked " were unveiled to reveal that the disease is still very much present

and active behind the scenes.

There are other methods to gain relief from the symptoms while treating the

cause. Regardless of what you choose, failure to address the root cause of

these diseases is like drinking water from a lead pipe. It WILL sneak up on

you and by then it may be too late to do much about it, except perhaps stop

it from getting even worse.

Geoff

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Well put, I compare those type of drugs it to a dam holding the water back. Eventually it gives out and you end up worse off than before the drugs. People who choose that method of treatment generally decline disease wise and health wise with added complications and more and more drugs for added symptoms.

rheumatic Re: Enbrel

Elsie wrote:>> I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate goodresults within hours and then got better and better for the next two monthsuntil I felt I was completely well. (snip) the doctor recommended Idiscontinue Enbrel (snip) Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair fromwhich I have never completely recovered (snip) <<This is a very common story when the "symptoms" of any disease are masked bydrugs but the cause of the disease is not addressed. Elsie's description issuccinct and exact... the Rx drug "fixed the symptoms" but did nothing toaddress the "cause." Once the Rx drug was stopped, the symptoms being"masked" were unveiled to reveal that the disease is still very much presentand active behind the scenes.There are other methods to gain relief from the symptoms while treating thecause. Regardless of what you choose, failure to address the root cause ofthese diseases is like drinking water from a lead pipe. It WILL sneak up onyou and by then it may be too late to do much about it, except perhaps stopit from getting even worse.Geoffsoli Deo gloriahttp://www.healingyou.org/ NonRx herbals, homeopathics & supplementshttp://www.800-800-cruise.com/ Cruises, tours, resorts & luxury trainsTo unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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What about combining Enbrel to control the inflammation and Minocin and the full AP to treat the cause of the disease. Enbrel focuses on only the TNF, leaving other parts of the immune system unaffected? This is beginning to make a lot of sense to me in cases of severe and longstanding disease like mine. After all, Dr. Brown used the drugs of his day to help with inflammation when necessary i.e. NSAID's and prednisone.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

Well put, I compare those type of drugs it to a dam holding the water back. Eventually it gives out and you end up worse off than before the drugs. People who choose that method of treatment generally decline disease wise and health wise with added complications and more and more drugs for added symptoms.

rheumatic Re: Enbrel

Elsie wrote:>> I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate goodresults within hours and then got better and better for the next two monthsuntil I felt I was completely well. (snip) the doctor recommended Idiscontinue Enbrel (snip) Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair fromwhich I have never completely recovered (snip) <<This is a very common story when the "symptoms" of any disease are masked bydrugs but the cause of the disease is not addressed. Elsie's description issuccinct and exact... the Rx drug "fixed the symptoms" but did nothing toaddress the "cause." Once the Rx drug was stopped, the symptoms being"masked" were unveiled to reveal that the disease is still very much presentand active behind the scenes.There are other methods to gain relief from the symptoms while treating thecause. Regardless of what you choose, failure to address the root cause ofthese diseases is like drinking water from a lead pipe. It WILL sneak up onyou and by then it may be too late to do much about it, except perhaps stopit from getting even worse.Geoffsoli Deo gloriahttp://www.healingyou.org/ NonRx herbals, homeopathics & supplementshttp://www.800-800-cruise.com/ Cruises, tours, resorts & luxury trainsTo unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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I should add that my rheumatologist, who has done research on mycoplasma and bacteria in RA, wants me to go on Enbrel to control the damage, but told me not to stop the Minocin.

(RA 25+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

rheumatic Re: Enbrel

Elsie wrote:>> I've been on Enbrel for approximately 7 months and had immediate goodresults within hours and then got better and better for the next two monthsuntil I felt I was completely well. (snip) the doctor recommended Idiscontinue Enbrel (snip) Almost immediately I had a terrible RA flair fromwhich I have never completely recovered (snip) <<This is a very common story when the "symptoms" of any disease are masked bydrugs but the cause of the disease is not addressed. Elsie's description issuccinct and exact... the Rx drug "fixed the symptoms" but did nothing toaddress the "cause." Once the Rx drug was stopped, the symptoms being"masked" were unveiled to reveal that the disease is still very much presentand active behind the scenes.There are other methods to gain relief from the symptoms while treating thecause. Regardless of what you choose, failure to address the root cause ofthese diseases is like drinking water from a lead pipe. It WILL sneak up onyou and by then it may be too late to do much about it, except perhaps stopit from getting even worse.Geoffsoli Deo gloriahttp://www.healingyou.org/ NonRx herbals, homeopathics & supplementshttp://www.800-800-cruise.com/ Cruises, tours, resorts & luxury trainsTo unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Hi ! Geoff here.

>> What about combining Enbrel to control the inflammation and Minocin and

the full AP to treat the cause of the disease. <<

Many, if not most, of the people on the list will use something to help

control the flaring symptoms at one time or another during their treatment.

The choices are wide and varied, from NonRx herbals such as RheuMax to Rx

corticosteroids such as Prednisone and everything in between.

There are some debatable presumptions about using most if not all of the Rx

and OTC drugs (drugs that were Rx and are now OTC.) These tend to revolve

around two major concerns: (1) Adverse events, AKA side-effects; and (2)

Contraindications due to mitigation of one or the other drug or both. In

issue one, some obvious and easy to see issues would be with Prednisone and

resultant cataracts, bone thinning, etc. As to issue (2) one that *may*

attach to Enbrel would be its target, the TNF, in which the drug limits or

prevents a portion of the immune system from working while the AP would be

used to supplement the immune system. This is something you would need to

confirm not only with your physician, but with a known-sober and competent

Pharmacist. Even OTC drugs such as aspirin and ibuprofen carry issues along

the same vein.

Generally speaking, if you can accomplish the relief sought with herbals

such as RheuMax vs. the Rx drugs, there should be better cooperation between

the AP and the item used for symptomatic relief. For example the RheuMax and

its predecessor, RA Spes, tend to enhance the AP effort, not fight with it.

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> > I'm seeking someone who has participated in the Enbrel program! What

> > thier symptom where and how this program helped,any side effects,and

> > how they are doing at present?

> >

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> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Hello ,

I'm a new comer also to this group and am trying to

learn all I can about my PA with the reumatoid factor

and the meds for it. I've had it for 13 years my first

flare up when I was 24.

I to am on the infamous Enbrel waiting list. Am on

metho injections, folic acid to keep my hair from

falling out and prendisone tapers at the moment.

I don't know if your knee surgery was for total knee

replacement or not but, mine was.(both knees one in 96

and one in 97) I'm sorry you are having problems with

it.

I too am scared of Enbrel's side effects and never

wanted to have to take it but, it is being forced on

me and unfortunatly most all of us. All we can do is

pray about it and hope for the best. when I was first

told that I HAD to go on it,,, it threw me into a deep

drepession for two weeks but, God, my family ,my

boyfriend and the people in this group were there for

me and pulled me through.

hope you are doing better today :-)

~ in N.C.~

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" when I was first

told that I HAD to go on it,,, "

- HOLD ON A MINUTE!!! No one, and I mean NO ONE can tell you what you

HAVE to go on with PA. Doctors are not gods! You have the right to choose what

treatments you want. If you feel a doctor has pressured you into a treatment

that you don't want, for heaven's sake, find another doctor IMMEDIATELY! It's

your body, your health, and your say so.

All that being said, personally, enbrel was a great choice for me. But it was

MY choice.

Please, you need to take charge of your health care. Research all you can to

make an informed decision and if your doctor won't agree or fights you to do

something else, find another doctor who will work with you and respect your

decisions.

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Stacey, I have been on Enbrel now since August and it truly was the miracle

drug for me. I had a foot surgery that turned into the surgery from hell

just like you, and I couldn't get it under control. The Enbrel started

working on the second shot. It gives you such a boost of energy that is

really been a godsend for me. As for infections, I know you have to be very

alert. I find that I feel like I get colds and other viruses more often,

and they take longer to get over, but I have had no problems with bacterial

infection at all. I've really had no bad side effects and nothing but

normal looking fingers and increased energy. My only complaint is the dull

Enbrel needles and I can deal with that if I have my life back.

[ ] ENBREL

Hello! I am a new member and wanted to say hi and ask everyone a

couple of questions. I am 22 and have had pa for almost 6 years. I

recently had my 2nd knee surgery which was supposed to be

my " miracle " surgery-- it has been more of a nightmare. I have been

out of work for 8 months now and have so much swelling I can hardly

move. I have been on metho and am now taking pred. which is helping

somewhat. My dr wants me to start enbrel injections as soon as

possible. I am very worried about long term effects( fertility and

pregnancy, mainly) And am also concerned with the large possibility

of infections. My immune system is pretty poor as it is! I was

wondering what kind of experiences you all have had with enbrel. What

side effects? How long you've been on it, etc! I would appreciate any

info you have!!! It feels like I'm out of other options and I just

want my life back! Thanks for your help!

Have a good day! ---

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Amen to that! -- Jan O', Alaska

TADEL630@... wrote:

> " when I was first

> told that I HAD to go on it,,, "

> - HOLD ON A MINUTE!!! No one, and I mean NO ONE can tell you what you

HAVE to go on with PA. Doctors are not gods! You have the right to choose what

treatments you want. If you feel a doctor has pressured you into a treatment

that you don't want, for heaven's sake, find another doctor IMMEDIATELY! It's

your body, your health, and your say so.

> All that being said, personally, enbrel was a great choice for me. But it was

MY choice.

> Please, you need to take charge of your health care. Research all you can to

make an informed decision and if your doctor won't agree or fights you to do

something else, find another doctor who will work with you and respect your

decisions.

>

>

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Hi Debbie,

It don't seem like much to me but, it does the job, I

take 2 MGs of folic acid a day ( two pills)...it's

prescription.

Your friend , in N.C.

djfl77@... wrote: :How much folic acid do

you take and how? Is it a prescription or OTC? Thanks

Debbie

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Thanks Tracey, You see....I've been fighting my Reumy

for two years against going on Enbrel...he knows that

I don't want to go on it and at this point..we know

that I'm ONLY going to TRY it. If I don't like it or

expecially if I have any side effects...I WILL NOT

take it any more. :-) I love all of you for being

there for me.

We ALL have to become the squeeky wheels to get the

oil that we so desperately need ( so to speak) for

this stuff.

be loud at your Reumies offices...non stop.

I hope you are all pain free today. in N.C.

--- TADEL630@... wrote:

> " when I was first

> told that I HAD to go on it,,, "

> - HOLD ON A MINUTE!!! No one, and I mean NO

> ONE can tell you what you HAVE to go on with PA.

> Doctors are not gods! You have the right to choose

> what treatments you want. If you feel a doctor has

> pressured you into a treatment that you don't want,

> for heaven's sake, find another doctor IMMEDIATELY!

> It's your body, your health, and your say so.

> All that being said, personally, enbrel was a great

> choice for me. But it was MY choice.

> Please, you need to take charge of your health care.

> Research all you can to make an informed decision

> and if your doctor won't agree or fights you to do

> something else, find another doctor who will work

> with you and respect your decisions.

>

>

>

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I wanted to let everyone know what a wonder drug Enbrel is! I 've been on it

for almost 8 months and I have my LIFE back. I only have one problem in my

Achilles tendon, otherwise, I feel perfect. I 've had no side effect other

than some bruising on my stomach. I only inject there because I don't want

the marks on my legs.

I'm also wondering about a spot on my lip that's been removed twice and keeps

coming back. I know that malignancies occur with Enbrel, does anyone think

that Enbrel may cause skin cancer? Just curious. I'm going in for a biopsy

as soon as I can get an appointment.

Diane

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