Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 Betty, how about monitoring just how you feel and how your clothes fit? Ignoring the number completely? Not sure I could do this, but it has been suggested to me before. Carolyn Re: body fat >I also need to go through muscle mags to keep up with the latest in protein. > We just discussed wanting a body fat of about 20-25 for women, less for men, > right? Was reading this one tonight and this woman is saying she wants a > body fat of 12-14% during the off season and 8% during competition. Think > about it. She must have about 1 tsp of fat per bun. > > Mind boggling. Betty, is this nuts or WHAT? > > Remember I said they say 1g of protein per lb. of weight? Another article > says 1.5g of protein per lb. for competition. If you're a 200 lb. guy, you'd > take 300g per day. I cannot grasp this! And people complain about taking > 60g a day? HAHAHAH! And body builders do this voluntarily! Not to > maintain life or maintain their wt loss, but for " fun " ! Makes me feel like > a protein WIMP at only 120-180g a day. Sheesh! > > Thanks, > > >******** >I have read these articles and a bodyfat this low on a woman is obtainable >and in fact many athletic woman and bodybuilders do achieve this goal (not >that I think an 8% bodyfat is desirable or attractive). I suspect that my >bodyfat is also lower than what the caliper tests say it is (read extra skin >is skewing my BF readings) but not that low! To achieve this kind of weight >you have to really eliminate almost all fat from your diet and eat a very >calculated amount of protein and carbs...emphasis on protein (1.5 grams per >pound of weight is not unheard of). This is pretty well impossible to >accomplish even existing on pure supplements for most of us post-ops. For me >to consume this many grams of protein (225 for my body weight) I would have >to eat 7 Pure Protein bars a day or drink 6 protein shakes a day...before you >add on " regular " food. Wow! That is a lot of supplements...and we aren't >even factoring in my malabsorption factor (which means I would probably have >to eat even more to get to 225 grms of realized protein in my body). That is >why I honestly believe I will only achieve a certain level of >fitness...because my excess skin and bone density is skewing the tests and >makes me " different " than a " normal " woman my age and because I have no way >of knowing exactly what portions to consume to equal that of a person who has >not had an extreme distal bypass like myself. It is all a guessing game. >And I agree with those who say that even caliper readings of body fat are >probably inaccurate for us because of the excess skin/collapsed fat >cells/bone density factors. Nevertheless it is the best measurement I have >for determining my progress since the scale only measures body weight and not >what it's composed of (and I don't believe that the body fat scales work >well for us either!). I'll just keep trying until I stop getting results and >then I'll try something else! >Betty D. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2120/5/_/576511/_/955363442/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 In a message dated 4/10/00 10:30:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dr4kids@... writes: << Betty, how about monitoring just how you feel and how your clothes fit? Ignoring the number completely? Not sure I could do this, but it has been suggested to me before. Carolyn >> Actually...if I used my clothes as a measure I'd probably be worried because my arms, chest, back and legs are larger than they used to be so certain clothes actually feel tighter while the waists on everything are bigger! I wish I could ignore the numbers completely (that would be the smart thing to do) but I am so fixiated on the scale. At least I have been able to get to the point where I only weigh myself once a week or so, and I know not to get upset if I have a 5 lb. gain a few days before my period since water gain like this happens every month. During that time of the month I can't even wear about 25% of my form fitting clothes...it's weird but I'm getting used to it! Betty D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 And on top of that they drink those nasty tasting protein drinks!! Re: body fat > I also need to go through muscle mags to keep up with the latest in protein. > We just discussed wanting a body fat of about 20-25 for women, less for men, > right? Was reading this one tonight and this woman is saying she wants a > body fat of 12-14% during the off season and 8% during competition. Think > about it. She must have about 1 tsp of fat per bun. > > Mind boggling. Betty, is this nuts or WHAT? > > Remember I said they say 1g of protein per lb. of weight? Another article > says 1.5g of protein per lb. for competition. If you're a 200 lb. guy, you'd > take 300g per day. I cannot grasp this! And people complain about taking > 60g a day? HAHAHAH! And body builders do this voluntarily! Not to > maintain life or maintain their wt loss, but for " fun " ! Makes me feel like > a protein WIMP at only 120-180g a day. Sheesh! > > Thanks, > > > ******** > I have read these articles and a bodyfat this low on a woman is obtainable > and in fact many athletic woman and bodybuilders do achieve this goal (not > that I think an 8% bodyfat is desirable or attractive). I suspect that my > bodyfat is also lower than what the caliper tests say it is (read extra skin > is skewing my BF readings) but not that low! To achieve this kind of weight > you have to really eliminate almost all fat from your diet and eat a very > calculated amount of protein and carbs...emphasis on protein (1.5 grams per > pound of weight is not unheard of). This is pretty well impossible to > accomplish even existing on pure supplements for most of us post-ops. For me > to consume this many grams of protein (225 for my body weight) I would have > to eat 7 Pure Protein bars a day or drink 6 protein shakes a day...before you > add on " regular " food. Wow! That is a lot of supplements...and we aren't > even factoring in my malabsorption factor (which means I would probably have > to eat even more to get to 225 grms of realized protein in my body). That is > why I honestly believe I will only achieve a certain level of > fitness...because my excess skin and bone density is skewing the tests and > makes me " different " than a " normal " woman my age and because I have no way > of knowing exactly what portions to consume to equal that of a person who has > not had an extreme distal bypass like myself. It is all a guessing game. > And I agree with those who say that even caliper readings of body fat are > probably inaccurate for us because of the excess skin/collapsed fat > cells/bone density factors. Nevertheless it is the best measurement I have > for determining my progress since the scale only measures body weight and not > what it's composed of (and I don't believe that the body fat scales work > well for us either!). I'll just keep trying until I stop getting results and > then I'll try something else! > Betty D. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as > 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. > Apply NOW! > http://click./1/2120/5/_/576511/_/955363442/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 In a message dated 4/10/00 5:31:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, valadybnkr@... writes: << In answer to your question, the caliper method of testing for body fat used at a gym is very accurate because they squeeze the skin and measure the fat beneath it...Any personal trainer can check it for you-it only takes minutes and is painless. >> Trish, I will disagree a little with Betty's reply above. I wouldn't say that the calipers are very accurate. Different people using the calipers on the same person would come up with different results; hopefully, they would be close, but I do not believe they would be the same. My understanding is that the most accurate form of BF measurement is the underwater one; but it has its drawbacks in the inconvenience of being underwater, requiring special equipment (most likely only available at Universities), and the cost. Calipers may be more accurate than the (Tanita) BF scales or even the body measurements-mathematical model(s) similar to the one I posted several weeks ago. There are many different measurements-math models; I have been doing some reading since my previous post and each book I read had a different formula. ;^) Another problem with the caliper method is that the calipers will only open so far. Any professional taking caliper measurements will probably not tell anyone who is morbidly obese that the measurements could not be taken because the calipers would not open far enough. The professional would probably just estimate the measurement. How do I know?? I just happened to have my BF measured by calipers today. I was looking at a couple of my pre-surgery caliper BF measurements. I found it hard to believe that at 350 I was " only " 44% BF. I now know that it had to be OVER, and probably WELL OVER 50% pre-op. (I have lost ~160 lb. since then, almost half my weight and I still have ~31% BF!) I talked with the personal trainer who did all of my measurements and she said she would never have told me (or anyone else) that she was unable to take accurate measurements. Additionally, if you have BF measured by calipers, have the same person do it every time. That person would tend to measure you in approximately the same place each time and in the same manner. Finally, the excess skin also affects the caliper method post-op. Darn if we do, and darn if we don't! ;^) I believe the usefulness of BF lies in the RELATIVE values: How the BF changes over time. Also, I would not do this any more frequently than about every 3 months, especially was you get closer to a normal weight. The loss in BF may not be very dramatic and could cause some people to get discouraged; even if you know that you are still going down in clothing size! ;^) Regards, in Charlottesville, VA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 hahahahaha Carolyn Re: body fat >And on top of that they drink those nasty tasting protein drinks!! > Re: body fat > > >> I also need to go through muscle mags to keep up with the latest in >protein. >> We just discussed wanting a body fat of about 20-25 for women, less for >men, >> right? Was reading this one tonight and this woman is saying she wants a >> body fat of 12-14% during the off season and 8% during competition. >Think >> about it. She must have about 1 tsp of fat per bun. >> >> Mind boggling. Betty, is this nuts or WHAT? >> >> Remember I said they say 1g of protein per lb. of weight? Another article >> says 1.5g of protein per lb. for competition. If you're a 200 lb. guy, >you'd >> take 300g per day. I cannot grasp this! And people complain about taking >> 60g a day? HAHAHAH! And body builders do this voluntarily! Not to >> maintain life or maintain their wt loss, but for " fun " ! Makes me feel >like >> a protein WIMP at only 120-180g a day. Sheesh! >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> ******** >> I have read these articles and a bodyfat this low on a woman is obtainable >> and in fact many athletic woman and bodybuilders do achieve this goal (not >> that I think an 8% bodyfat is desirable or attractive). I suspect that my >> bodyfat is also lower than what the caliper tests say it is (read extra >skin >> is skewing my BF readings) but not that low! To achieve this kind of >weight >> you have to really eliminate almost all fat from your diet and eat a very >> calculated amount of protein and carbs...emphasis on protein (1.5 grams >per >> pound of weight is not unheard of). This is pretty well impossible to >> accomplish even existing on pure supplements for most of us post-ops. For >me >> to consume this many grams of protein (225 for my body weight) I would >have >> to eat 7 Pure Protein bars a day or drink 6 protein shakes a day...before >you >> add on " regular " food. Wow! That is a lot of supplements...and we aren't >> even factoring in my malabsorption factor (which means I would probably >have >> to eat even more to get to 225 grms of realized protein in my body). That >is >> why I honestly believe I will only achieve a certain level of >> fitness...because my excess skin and bone density is skewing the tests and >> makes me " different " than a " normal " woman my age and because I have no >way >> of knowing exactly what portions to consume to equal that of a person who >has >> not had an extreme distal bypass like myself. It is all a guessing game. >> And I agree with those who say that even caliper readings of body fat are >> probably inaccurate for us because of the excess skin/collapsed fat >> cells/bone density factors. Nevertheless it is the best measurement I >have >> for determining my progress since the scale only measures body weight and >not >> what it's composed of (and I don't believe that the body fat scales work >> well for us either!). I'll just keep trying until I stop getting results >and >> then I'll try something else! >> Betty D. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> DON'T HATE YOUR RATE! >> Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >> 0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >> Apply NOW! >> http://click./1/2120/5/_/576511/_/955363442/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Special Offer-Earn 300 Points from MyPoints.com for trying @Backup >Get automatic protection and access to your important computer files. >Install today: >http://click./1/2344/5/_/576511/_/955404568/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 >>>And on top of that they drink those nasty tasting protein drinks!!<<< Now, now, some are perfectly nummy!! Thanks, www.vitalady.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 Which ones?????? Re: body fat > >>>And on top of that they drink those nasty tasting protein drinks!!<<< > > Now, now, some are perfectly nummy!! > > > Thanks, > > > www.vitalady.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click./1/2200/5/_/576511/_/955427872/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2000 Report Share Posted April 11, 2000 In a message dated 4/10/00 5:44:46 AM US Eastern Standard Time, valadybnkr@... writes: << Makes me feel like a protein WIMP at only 120-180g a day. Sheesh! >> , my nutritionist lowered my protein requirement to 60. You think this is NOT enough?? I am struggling to get it in!!! Better go make a drink now. dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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