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Kristien, I am so sorry that you lost your mother. I am glad that you found

us.

My mother Joyce (71) has MSA. My mother was originally diagnosed with PD,

too, then rediagnosed by an MDS who saw her walk through his door one month

after the last appointment. He said her disease progress was too fast for

PD. That, combined with her balance problems and less than hoped for

response to the standard PD drugs. He said she had the striatonigral

degeneration form of MSA. Other MDSs since then have been reluctant to give

her disease a name but they believe it's a PD+ disease because in addition

to showing extrapyramidal signs, she shows pyramidal signs, indicating more

than PD.

Many on this list went to doctors for years before getting the diagnosis.

When I speak to my mom's doctors now they are uninterested in giving it a

specific name. The treatment, they say, is the same as the PD treatment (at

least in her case). My mother's prognosis, however, is different from PD.

It has taken only 3 years for her to be bed and wheelchair bound. She is a

spirited woman who insists on going to the hairdresser every Friday even

now. According to my dad, she even dragged him into the GAP on the way home.

I am so thankful for her spirit.

You are wonderful to be here to help in your mother's memory. That is a

testament to her. Welcome, Debbie

Debbie White

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Kristien,

Welcome to the list.

There is nothing more you could do. Treating the symptoms is all any of us can

do at this time. As far as the future, you can work to get our politicians to

accept the fact that research money needs to be available and that they do not

ban important research projects.

Take care, Bill and Charlotte Werre from Herndon. VA

(Charlotte was diagnosed as Parkinson's in 1990 and MSA in 1995)

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kristienb@... wrote:

> First, I wish to say " hello. " I'm very thankful to have found this

> group because I have so many questions about SDS.

>

> Shy-Drager Syndrome took my mom away less than a month ago. Like many

> others with this horrible disease, she was originally diagnosed with

> Parkinson's. It wasn't until after she was already gone that we

> discovered it was actually Shy-Drager. Strangely, my mom herself had

> once suspected that she might have it, but several

> doctors/specialists insisted that she didn't. They treated each of

> her problems individually.

>

> Now, as I read about the symptoms of SDS, my heart drops -- they

> describe her misery perfectly. And while there isn't anything more we

> could have done for her treatmentwise, I wonder if I would have spent

> these last years/months differently. I wonder if I could have made a

> difference.

>

> I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death still came very sudden

> and unexpected (at least to her family). How do people cope? What's

> next?

>

> I want to become involved. I want to help others with SDS since I

> couldn't help my mom. She would have wanted me to. I live in

> California, so I'm throwing this out in the hope of getting info, and

> perhaps new friends also going through this with their families.

> Perhaps I'll even be able to be of comfort to someone else.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Kristien

>

>

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Kristien, I'm so sorry about your mom. My dad is seriously ill right now. But you have come to the right place. We need you. For me, and I know the others too, the help and guidance you can give us is invaluable. I wish you could have found this group earlier. And there are a lot of people in here like you who have lost their loved ones and feel the same way you do - they want to help others fight this horrid demon even though their loved ones' battles have ended. Your mom must have know how much you loved her - and I am sure she knows it even more now, for you to put some of your own pain away and help others.

Thank you very much,

Donna Waggoner

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Hi Kristien:

My name is Vera and my husband has the MSA. We also are out

here in California. It took us over a year before the doctors found

out what Fred had. Some told us that there was nothing wrong with

him. To know that you don;t feel good, but they keep telling you that

there is nothing wrong. We did fine a doctor that said that it was PD

at first. Was sorry and scared to hear that, but also glad to hear

that there was something and we just weren't crazy. Then after about

6 months the doctor changed it to MSA. At first we were happy because

it wasn't PD, but then we found out about the MSA and knew we had a

long road to take. I was feeling lost, but then found this group,

which believe me has been a God send, Fred on the other hand will say

that his doing ok, but he is really in denial I think.

I'm really sorry for your lost, but glad that you have found

this group. It really does help to have others on your side. If there

is anything that we can help you with , just ask , someone will try

to help. This group is like that.

Always

Vera

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Kristien--

I live in visalia calif in usa ;) Im the one alwaays asking for a nuero.

with background in movement. l feel like calif has the last drs to find

anything only they don't know what they dont know...... becky with msa

since1987??

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Kristien

I'm so sorry for your loss. You must know you did everything for your mom

and know that she realised it. It's so hard to lose someone but at last she

is out of pain and misery.

I think its great that you want to help others and know it will help you in

your grief. Where in Calif. do you live? We are in Elk Grove just outside

of Sacramento. Take care now,

My Mom

> First, I wish to say " hello. " I'm very thankful to have found this

> group because I have so many questions about SDS.

>

> Shy-Drager Syndrome took my mom away less than a month ago. Like many

> others with this horrible disease, she was originally diagnosed with

> Parkinson's. It wasn't until after she was already gone that we

> discovered it was actually Shy-Drager. Strangely, my mom herself had

> once suspected that she might have it, but several

> doctors/specialists insisted that she didn't. They treated each of

> her problems individually.

>

> Now, as I read about the symptoms of SDS, my heart drops -- they

> describe her misery perfectly. And while there isn't anything more we

> could have done for her treatmentwise, I wonder if I would have spent

> these last years/months differently. I wonder if I could have made a

> difference.

>

> I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death still came very sudden

> and unexpected (at least to her family). How do people cope? What's

> next?

>

> I want to become involved. I want to help others with SDS since I

> couldn't help my mom. She would have wanted me to. I live in

> California, so I'm throwing this out in the hope of getting info, and

> perhaps new friends also going through this with their families.

> Perhaps I'll even be able to be of comfort to someone else.

>

> Thank you.

>

> Kristien

>

>

>

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Thank you, Debbie, for your kind words. My mom was also a very

spirited woman, but SDS was extremely hard on her and made her very

depressed. While her handwriting was still legible, she wrote about

it often -- poetry, journal entries, letters. She left a journal to

me that really opened my eyes to what she was going through.

At the time my mother passed away, she had just agreed to use a

wheelchair (her fainting had gotten too bad), and even had a sense of

humor about it. She told us she was going to hang fuzzy dice from her

chair and even put a bumper sticker on it.

I wish the best for you, your mom and your family. This is an

incredibly tough thing to go through.

K

> Kristien, I am so sorry that you lost your mother. I am glad that

you found

> us.

>

> My mother Joyce (71) has MSA. My mother was originally diagnosed

with PD,

> too, then rediagnosed by an MDS who saw her walk through his door

one month

> after the last appointment. He said her disease progress was too

fast for

> PD. That, combined with her balance problems and less than hoped for

> response to the standard PD drugs. He said she had the striatonigral

> degeneration form of MSA. Other MDSs since then have been reluctant

to give

> her disease a name but they believe it's a PD+ disease because in

addition

> to showing extrapyramidal signs, she shows pyramidal signs,

indicating more

> than PD.

>

> Many on this list went to doctors for years before getting the

diagnosis.

> When I speak to my mom's doctors now they are uninterested in

giving it a

> specific name. The treatment, they say, is the same as the PD

treatment (at

> least in her case). My mother's prognosis, however, is different

from PD.

>

> It has taken only 3 years for her to be bed and wheelchair bound.

She is a

> spirited woman who insists on going to the hairdresser every Friday

even

> now. According to my dad, she even dragged him into the GAP on the

way home.

> I am so thankful for her spirit.

>

> You are wonderful to be here to help in your mother's memory. That

is a

> testament to her. Welcome, Debbie

>

> Debbie White

>

> dwhite@n...

> >

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My sisters and I are going to start by educating our mom's doctors on

the true nature of her illness: we are going to show them copies of

the autopsy report and talk with them in detail. Hopefully, this will

help them should they ever come across anyone else with SDS or MSA.

Then, we will try to raise money and reach politicians. More light

needs to be shed on this.

Thanks.

K

>

> > First, I wish to say " hello. " I'm very thankful to have found this

> > group because I have so many questions about SDS.

> >

> > Shy-Drager Syndrome took my mom away less than a month ago. Like

many

> > others with this horrible disease, she was originally diagnosed

with

> > Parkinson's. It wasn't until after she was already gone that we

> > discovered it was actually Shy-Drager. Strangely, my mom herself

had

> > once suspected that she might have it, but several

> > doctors/specialists insisted that she didn't. They treated each of

> > her problems individually.

> >

> > Now, as I read about the symptoms of SDS, my heart drops -- they

> > describe her misery perfectly. And while there isn't anything

more we

> > could have done for her treatmentwise, I wonder if I would have

spent

> > these last years/months differently. I wonder if I could have

made a

> > difference.

> >

> > I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death still came very

sudden

> > and unexpected (at least to her family). How do people cope?

What's

> > next?

> >

> > I want to become involved. I want to help others with SDS since I

> > couldn't help my mom. She would have wanted me to. I live in

> > California, so I'm throwing this out in the hope of getting info,

and

> > perhaps new friends also going through this with their families.

> > Perhaps I'll even be able to be of comfort to someone else.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Kristien

> >

> >

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Hi Donna.

I would love to talk with you further and learn more about your

father, your situation. Please either post or email me separately and

hopefully we can help each other.

In the meantime, I'll send thoughts of strength and hope your way.

Kristien

> Kristien, I'm so sorry about your mom. My dad is seriously ill

right now.

> But you have come to the right place. We need you. For me, and I

know the

> others too, the help and guidance you can give us is invaluable. I

wish you

> could have found this group earlier. And there are a lot of people

in here

> like you who have lost their loved ones and feel the same way you

do - they

> want to help others fight this horrid demon even though their loved

ones'

> battles have ended. Your mom must have know how much you loved

her - and I

> am sure she knows it even more now, for you to put some of your own

pain

> away and help others.

>

> Thank you very much,

> Donna Waggoner

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Hi Vera:

So sorry to hear about your husband's diagnosis. And I completely

understand how frustrating it must have been to not know what was

wrong. One of my mom's doctors actually used to grimace when he saw

her in the waiting room. People thought it was all in her head. She

never got a straight answer.

Having this knowledge now, you must feel torn. On one side, you both

know what you're dealing with. On the other side, you know it isn't

an easy road. My thoughts: It's obvious that you love him dearly, so

just keep doing what you're doing, and make sure you also keep

finding support like this (I WISH I HAD KNOWN TO COME HERE!). My

shoulder is always here if you need it.

K

>

> Hi Kristien:

> My name is Vera and my husband has the MSA. We also are out

> here in California. It took us over a year before the doctors found

> out what Fred had. Some told us that there was nothing wrong with

> him. To know that you don;t feel good, but they keep telling you

that

> there is nothing wrong. We did fine a doctor that said that it was

PD

> at first. Was sorry and scared to hear that, but also glad to hear

> that there was something and we just weren't crazy. Then after

about

> 6 months the doctor changed it to MSA. At first we were happy

because

> it wasn't PD, but then we found out about the MSA and knew we had a

> long road to take. I was feeling lost, but then found this group,

> which believe me has been a God send, Fred on the other hand will

say

> that his doing ok, but he is really in denial I think.

> I'm really sorry for your lost, but glad that you have found

> this group. It really does help to have others on your side. If

there

> is anything that we can help you with , just ask , someone will try

> to help. This group is like that.

>

>

> Always

> Vera

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Becky,

If I find info on a good neurologist (with MSA experience) in the

California area, I will definitely let you know. Unfortunately, my

family's experience with California doctors hasn't been very hopeful,

but there's got to be someone out there.

Hang in there!

K

> Kristien--

>

> I live in visalia calif in usa ;) Im the one alwaays asking for a

nuero.

> with background in movement. l feel like calif has the last

drs to find

> anything only they don't know what they dont know...... becky

with msa

> since1987??

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I'm in the Los Angeles area, and the rest of my family is in San

Diego. That's also where my mom lived. If anyone knows of great

support groups or organizations in these areas, please let me know.

Thank you!

K

> Kristien

> I'm so sorry for your loss. You must know you did everything for

your mom

> and know that she realised it. It's so hard to lose someone but at

last she

> is out of pain and misery.

>

> I think its great that you want to help others and know it will

help you in

> your grief. Where in Calif. do you live? We are in Elk Grove just

outside

> of Sacramento. Take care now,

>

> My Mom

>

>

> > First, I wish to say " hello. " I'm very thankful to have found this

> > group because I have so many questions about SDS.

> >

> > Shy-Drager Syndrome took my mom away less than a month ago. Like

many

> > others with this horrible disease, she was originally diagnosed

with

> > Parkinson's. It wasn't until after she was already gone that we

> > discovered it was actually Shy-Drager. Strangely, my mom herself

had

> > once suspected that she might have it, but several

> > doctors/specialists insisted that she didn't. They treated each of

> > her problems individually.

> >

> > Now, as I read about the symptoms of SDS, my heart drops -- they

> > describe her misery perfectly. And while there isn't anything

more we

> > could have done for her treatmentwise, I wonder if I would have

spent

> > these last years/months differently. I wonder if I could have

made a

> > difference.

> >

> > I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death still came very

sudden

> > and unexpected (at least to her family). How do people cope?

What's

> > next?

> >

> > I want to become involved. I want to help others with SDS since I

> > couldn't help my mom. She would have wanted me to. I live in

> > California, so I'm throwing this out in the hope of getting info,

and

> > perhaps new friends also going through this with their families.

> > Perhaps I'll even be able to be of comfort to someone else.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Kristien

> >

> >

> >

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You are fairly close to where we live. My Mom and I are both on the list and

live in Santa Barbara. It is my father who has MSA. There is another list

member who recently relocated to Santa Barbara ( Bushnell).

Suzanne Grimmesey-Kirk, MFT

Quality Care Management

Voice: 884-1647

FAX: 884-1633

>>> kristienb@... 10/09/00 12:02PM >>>

I'm in the Los Angeles area, and the rest of my family is in San

Diego. That's also where my mom lived. If anyone knows of great

support groups or organizations in these areas, please let me know.

Thank you!

K

> Kristien

> I'm so sorry for your loss. You must know you did everything for

your mom

> and know that she realised it. It's so hard to lose someone but at

last she

> is out of pain and misery.

>

> I think its great that you want to help others and know it will

help you in

> your grief. Where in Calif. do you live? We are in Elk Grove just

outside

> of Sacramento. Take care now,

>

> My Mom

>

>

> > First, I wish to say " hello. " I'm very thankful to have found this

> > group because I have so many questions about SDS.

> >

> > Shy-Drager Syndrome took my mom away less than a month ago. Like

many

> > others with this horrible disease, she was originally diagnosed

with

> > Parkinson's. It wasn't until after she was already gone that we

> > discovered it was actually Shy-Drager. Strangely, my mom herself

had

> > once suspected that she might have it, but several

> > doctors/specialists insisted that she didn't. They treated each of

> > her problems individually.

> >

> > Now, as I read about the symptoms of SDS, my heart drops -- they

> > describe her misery perfectly. And while there isn't anything

more we

> > could have done for her treatmentwise, I wonder if I would have

spent

> > these last years/months differently. I wonder if I could have

made a

> > difference.

> >

> > I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death still came very

sudden

> > and unexpected (at least to her family). How do people cope?

What's

> > next?

> >

> > I want to become involved. I want to help others with SDS since I

> > couldn't help my mom. She would have wanted me to. I live in

> > California, so I'm throwing this out in the hope of getting info,

and

> > perhaps new friends also going through this with their families.

> > Perhaps I'll even be able to be of comfort to someone else.

> >

> > Thank you.

> >

> > Kristien

> >

> >

> >

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I can't help but feel the deep pain here. Would that all our kids loved us

like this. I have never liked to believe that out of BAD comes GOODNESS.

But in the last year, I have come to see that when BAD keeps lurking,

GOODNESS will show up. There is something very heartwarming in a total

stranger's saying, " I just lost my parent in a horribly painful way, but I

want to help you with yours. "

Donna

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My sisters and I are going to start by educating our mom's doctors on

the true nature of her illness: we are going to show them copies of

the autopsy report and talk with them in detail. Hopefully, this will

help them should they ever come across anyone else with SDS or MSA.

Then, we will try to raise money and reach politicians. More light

needs to be shed on this.

Thanks.

K

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Greetings Kristien!

A pretty name. To go along with a very loving spirit.

We grieve with you. It is never easy to love a loved one. And a parent can

be especially traumatic. But wanting to help others certainly shows the

beauty of her spirit that's taken root in your life. We rejoice in this.

You mentioned a couple of things I would like to note and comment:

> Strangely, my mom herself had once suspected

> that she might have it, but several doctors

> /specialists insisted that she didn't.

Often with some of these chronic neurological problems, the patient spends

the time doing research ... more so than the specialists. They often

present the possible diagnosis long before many specialists are willing to

provide one. Doesn't mean they are right ... that's the catch. But they

often can be right about their ailments. Probably a result of 'vested

interest'!

> They [her doctors] treated each of her problems individually.

Very, very few doctors actually listen to the whole person ... body, mind

and spirit. And with some diseases it's important to listen to the whole

person, to really know what's going on with that patient.

> And while there isn't anything more we

> could have done for her treatmentwise,

> I wonder if I would have spent these last

> years/months differently. I wonder if I

> could have made a difference.

It does you credit to want to have made her experience even better. But

please also know that your very desire to have made it better means that you

did a good job. You and your mother were on a very special Journey. With

this disease it's never easy. But you did travel the road with her, while

you could. Her Journey continues for a time without you. But you will walk

with her again.

> I'm pained with grief now, as my mom's death

> still came very sudden and unexpected (at least

> to her family). How do people cope? What's next?

There are several stages of grief. But the most important advice you can

take is to go find someone that will listen. Just listen. You need to talk

with a trusted friend, a pastor, etc. Find someone that can listen as you

struggle with your situation.

Expressing your feelings here is certainly one way to do that. You will

find this a very supportive bunch of folks. I constantly stand in amazement

how much everyone gives to the group. It's astounding.

And finally, Kristien, take time to grieve. Wanting to help is a very noble

expression of your grief. But you need to take time for yourself and the

rest of your family. Then dive into it. Yes, the help is welcome and

certainly needed. I'm certain others will guide you in that direction. My

intent is to just let you know we care.

Regards,

=jbf=

B. Fisher

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Dear donna,

i assume you just had a loss and if you did not i think you can relate. My

mom has been sick for quite a while now and she is on a respirator. She is in

bad shape and

she does not really respond and barely opens her eyes. It is heartbreaking to

see

her like that. My father said that there is nothing he can do? She is running

fevers

and on and off antbiotics. Help-i need someone to talk to. Anyone that is in

this situation please respond.

ann, heartbroken in NY

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Ann,

Is your mom in the hospital? If so, that is all you can do except let her know

you are there by talking to her and holding her hand when you are there. God is

working through the doctors at this point.

Take care of yourself also, Bill and Charlotte

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a1978@... wrote:

> please tell me what happened to your mom. mine is verey very ill on a

> respirator now and i don't know what to do. please reply. thanks

> ann from ny

>

>

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, No I don't know any of the drs. at the parkinson clinic. Sorry,

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> mary --

> do you know any of the drs atthe parkinson clinic>??? nnear san jose

> ,.............................................. bt...............

>

>

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Dear Ann

Terribly sorry to hear of your Mom's illness. Our thoughts and prayers are

with you and her.

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> please tell me what happened to your mom. mine is verey very ill on a

> respirator now and i don't know what to do. please reply. thanks

> ann from ny

>

>

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