Re: warning: potential rosacea hoax

February 12, 1999

Hello ,

I will go ahead and send out for this today(Friday). Will let everyone know

what it is about when I receive the information.

Take care,

Charlene

cea Cure

>Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:34:03 GMT

>NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.196.106

>

>There is a cure for cea. I know, because a guy named Boyd

>helped cure me. He knows what rosacea really is and how to cure it.

>He can only be reached by snail-mail, but it is worth the effort.

>Send an SASE to him for free information to:

>

> Boyd

>The cea Cure

>P.O. Box 466

>Santa , CA 90406-0466

>

>If outside the U.S., send him a 1 oz. Postal Coupon. He will respond.

>Sincerely,

>Eugene (pronounced Row-bear)

>

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February 13, 1999

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:11:40 EST Hummonbird@... writes:

Wish I could tell you what he said,

>but I

>don't want

>to risk a lawsuit or something:-) (maybe he has some legal rights).

>

kay!!!!!!

i hate secrets....ha

don't you think it is a scam....if he had the magic answer he wouldn't be

selling it for 20 bucks a pop..he would sell it for millions to some

company....

o.k...so..let's play charades...his cure sounds like.....?????

nicki

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February 13, 1999

:

Last August I sent for the info from Boyd (re: a cure for rosacea).

I had to sign an Oath Coupon (which stated that I would not disclose the info

to anyone except my physician or dermatologist) with a SASE and mailed it back

to him, along with $20.

He sent me a 4 page letter explaining how he found a cure for his rosacea, and

recommended that I get a medical test done to determine if I had this other

health problem, which he thinks is the cause of rosacea. He gave a 60 day

money back guarrantee if my test was negative but I never was tested since I'm

uninsured, so

I didn't ask for the money back. Wish I could tell you what he said, but I

don't want

to risk a lawsuit or something:-) (maybe he has some legal rights).

Anyway, since I'm here, I'd also like to send a BIG THANKS to all of you:

, Ester, Nicki, Bill, Trish, Dr. Sy, etc... for all of your posts which I

have gotten so

very much help from (yes, I've been lurking), and also for making me laugh at

your antics when I needed it. BTW- I'm 37F and I've had rosacea since my

teens.

I'd just like to add that, for those using the rosacea ltd. disks- you can

break these

and disolve pieces in bottled water and spray, or wipe with cotton on your

face if rubbing it on is irritating. I'm doing alternative things for my

rosacea like homeopathy,

vitamins, minerals and herbs, aloe vera, cider vinegar, natural foods (inside

and out)

and not eating dairy, sugar, greasy, hot,spicy foods,caffeine.

Bye for now... Kay

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February 13, 1999

:

Last August I sent for the info from Boyd (re: a cure for rosacea).

I had to sign an Oath Coupon (which stated that I would not disclose the info

to anyone except my physician or dermatologist) with a SASE and mailed it back

to him, along with $20.

He sent me a 4 page letter explaining how he found a cure for his rosacea, and

recommended that I get a medical test done to determine if I had this other

health problem, which he thinks is the cause of rosacea. He gave a 60 day

money back guarrantee if my test was negative but I never was tested since I'm

uninsured, so

I didn't ask for the money back. Wish I could tell you what he said, but I

don't want

to risk a lawsuit or something:-) (maybe he has some legal rights).

Anyway, since I'm here, I'd also like to send a BIG THANKS to all of you:

, Ester, Nicki, Bill, Trish, Dr. Sy, etc... for all of your posts which I

have gotten so

very much help from (yes, I've been lurking), and also for making me laugh at

your antics when I needed it. BTW- I'm 37F and I've had rosacea since my

teens.

I'd just like to add that, for those using the rosacea ltd. disks- you can

break these

and disolve pieces in bottled water and spray, or wipe with cotton on your

face if rubbing it on is irritating. I'm doing alternative things for my

rosacea like homeopathy,

vitamins, minerals and herbs, aloe vera, cider vinegar, natural foods (inside

and out)

and not eating dairy, sugar, greasy, hot,spicy foods,caffeine.

Bye for now... Kay

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February 14, 1999

In a message dated 2/13/99 10:18:36 PM Eastern Standard Time,

katzrule@... writes:

<< o.k...so..let's play charades...his cure sounds like.....????? >>

ROFL

Esther

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February 14, 1999

and Nicki:

I agree with you both, but I will tell you this: He believes that if you have

rosacea and your H-Pylori (bacteria in the stomach) level is high, you

probably have an ulcer and the reaction of excessive stomach acid on your

ulcer is causing your rosacea " .

Maybe some of you have already researched the idea of H-Pylori. Anyone have

ulcers? Please note that I'm not telling what his exact cure is though, only

his

hypothesis.

And : Re: dissolving the discs in water. I only make a small amount at a

time-

to last about a week. It has never spoiled. I use pure distilled or spring

water and keep it in the fridge or in a cool spot under my bathroom sink.

I got the idea from another rosacea group after I'd accidently dropped a disc

and didn't know what to do with the broken pieces. I put a piece about the

size of a marble in about 4 ounces water in a jar and shake it up well. It

takes awhile for the granules to dissolve and has to be shaken everytime you

use it. I used to put it in a spray bottle (this worked real good!) but my

sprayer kept clogging up, probably because of un-dissolved disc material.

Sure helps when my skin is too sensitive to rub the disc on it. Hope this

helps.

Kay

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February 14, 1999

I have rosacea and after seeing a number of references to a possible link with

pyloric heliobacter I went and had myself tested. First time ever that I

hoped for a " positive " on a medical test but it came back negative. So --

while there may be a link of some kind, the link isn't there for everyone.

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February 14, 1999

In a message dated 2/15/99 12:14:51 AM Eastern Standard Time,

GayleGTun@... writes:

<< I have rosacea and after seeing a number of references to a possible link

with

pyloric heliobacter >>

I was never tested and my stomach has had no trouble at all. But after

reading posts by people who were " cured " with the H-Pylori stuff, I tried

biaxin. I start small with everything, guys. Just cautious as all get out, I

guess. It's one of the three antibiotics recommended for H-Pylori. Son of a

gun, that worked great for me. I was on it for just 3 1/2 weeks and it helped

me alot. Again, as usual , I know some friends who tried it and it didn't

work for them but if you ever get a sinus infection - that's the one to grovel

for.

HTH

Esther

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March 2, 1999

Hello All,

I have copied the letter that I received from Boyd on his cure for

rosacea, so you can all decide for yourselves.

Take care,

Charlene

February 18, 1999

Dear Charlene:

HAVE YOU BEEN SEARCHING FOR A CURE FOR ROSACEA? Without any success?

Then, please read on...

My name is and I was a cea sufferer for almost three years.

It was a long, difficult search, but I have found A Cure for cea, and I

would like to send it to you.

By now, you are probably thinking, " Hey! I'm a sufferer too, and I've

done some research on cea, and based upon ail of the medical information

available, there is no cure! " Well, get ready to smile, because today (if

you want it to be) your search is over...

XXXXXXXXXXXX~XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

THERE IS A CURE FOR ROSACEA! IT'S EASY, AND IT WORKS.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx~

Okay, by now you're also wondering, who is this guy? Is he a doctor?

dermatologist? maybe a medical professional? Fortunately for you, none of

the above. (I explain my reasoning in the next paragraph.) You're skeptical.

I understand, but I know that while searching for three long years, if I had

come across this ad from anyone, who claimed to have found A Cure for

cea, if they guaranteed it, I would have taken a chance, regardless of

who they were, and sent them a check for the information! Here is why...

FACT: I don't really want the wrath of the AMA upon me, and I don't

actually like being critical of the medical profession, but, as an example,

ph Lister surmised and synergised that doctors could save the lives of

pregnant women during childbearing simply by washing their hands before

delivery. Now, sterilization is common knowledge, but women in delivery

rooms died for quite some time after Lister recommended and then tried to

get compliance from an unwilling, intractable, medical profession. He was

hounded and actually ostracized by many for his viewpoint. He was also

absolutely right and for some reason certain people hated him for his idea.

It appeared that his colleagues would rather let childbearing women die than

give Ids cure a try. Years later, he was honored for his work. (i.e., Even

if the medical Profession actively pursues and finds A Cure for cea, it

will still probably take more than 3 years of Clinical Trials before they

release the findings and the cure reaches you.) Do you want to wait that

long? Are they even actively searching?

FACT: Changing minds is a hard thing to do even when it would save

lives, and maybe Lister should have tried a softer sell. Also, since it

appears that cea is not a life or death situation, only you can place a

level of importance on it as to the mental anguish it is causing you. My

anguish, without realizing it, had made me a hermit in the evenings and on

weekends. I was also beginning to believe the medical profession's dogma

that said, " we don't know what causes it and there is no cure " . So, to send

for A Cure for cea from someone who is not a medical professional, but

says he has found the cure, can sound almost to good to be true and must

make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable. But please remember, many medical

miracles and cures have been invented or discovered by regular everyday

people like you and me and not just medical professionals. Can you think of

any?

Page 2

FACT: Winchell, the puppeteer, of Jerry Mahoney and Knuckle-Head

fame invented the heart machine. He is not a medical professional. How

about Madame Curie? X-Ray technology. She was not an MD. Her husband was a

chemist. Any others?

FACT: I gathered the information presented in A Cure for cea over

an intensive three year period, tested ideas on myself and eventually

surmised and synergised different concepts into a hypothesis that led to the

cure. A lot of work went into it. I have read every medical book I could

find, and conducted my own testing by sipping wheat grass for a month,

eating raw liver for two weeks, drinking a mixture of vinegar and honey,

fasting for short periods of time, and etc. Sort of like Edison

inventing the light bulb, every time I found out something didn't work, I

discarded it and experimented in a new direction. I don't know what passion

drove Edison to continue after each successive failure, but my passion to

find a cure was rekindled almost every morning when I looked at my still

inflamed face in the mirror. So, since I was the original test Guinea Pig, I

am also the FIRST TESTIMONIAL. Just like the Hair Club for Men~ I am also a

member (you're getting this straight from the horse's mouth).

FACT: I am also going to give you a 60 day money back Guarantee.

Actually, this amounts to you receiving a free test for 60 days. You

win/win/win! Time, the Cure and a Guarantee, are all on your side. After

receiving A Cure for cea you won't have to imagine your face wonderfully

clear as you are working and socializing, positive and absolutely confident

again. It will happen, I guarantee you or you will get your investment

returned. By now, you must remember staying home, many times, refusing

offers to see friends or attend parties, because you did not want anyone to

see your face. _(12q__ol Any. M~).

Please sign the enclosed Oath Coupon (which states you will not

disclose this information to anyone except your physician or dermatologist).

It is necessary. Then mail it to me, today, with your check or a Money

Order - Right Now - for the special price of $19.50, Plus. 50 cents Shipping

and Handling, Payable to: Boyd, and mail it to me: Boyd, PO Box

466, Santa , CA 90406-0466. I will send you the A Cure for cea

report by First Class return mail the day I receive your funds or check and

the signed Oath Coupon.

Please Note! Unless you are mailing a check, and it's already printed

on your check, please remember to type or print your name and full return

address legibly on a piece of paper marked A Cure for cea, and include

it in the envelope.

Thank you for giving me your time, ~,~4'/

Boyd ~/~/~t_f_ ~,

PS: After three years of frustration, my face is wonderfully clear. You will

achieve the same results if you write to me today. The ball is in your

court. If you wish to remain as you presently are, I won't be frustrated,

only a little sad and confused that you have chosen to live with such a

malady when a cure is available. Like I told a friend before I discovered

the cure, " No it won't kill you, but having it at times makes you wish you

were dead. "

PPS: I can only Guarantee you this price for the next 7 days, but, by now,

you should realize that this information is priceless to you. Don't suffer

any longer! Write to me today!

i ................................................................

By signing this Oath Coupon:

I swear I will not divulge to anyone other than my physician or

dermatologist the details of how I was cured of cea. I further agree to

furnish the address for obtaining this report to anyone who might request

it.

Print Name:

Signed:

Re: warning: potential rosacea hoax

>

>Hi Kay,

>

>> Last August I sent for the info from Boyd (re: a cure for rosacea).

>> I had to sign an Oath Coupon (which stated that I would not disclose the

>> info to anyone except my physician or dermatologist) with a SASE and

>> mailed it back to him, along with $20.

>

>Thanks for posting the information. It is hard to imagine a cure or even a

>decent treatment being so secretive. If there was a solution so sure fire

>he could patent it and sell it. Mmmm call me a cynic but it is hard not to

>feel that he is taking advantage of people who might get desperate and pay

>for anything - money back guarantee or not.

>

>> I'd just like to add that, for those using the rosacea ltd. disks- you

can

>> break these and disolve pieces in bottled water and spray, or wipe with

>> cotton on your face if rubbing it on is irritating.

>

>how did this get on with the water content ? because ther is no

preservative

>I would think that the solution would get rotten ?

>

>davidp.

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Fresh flowers are the perfect way to say " I love you " .

>Shipped direct from the grower, Proflowers.com has

>arrangements from $29.95 plus S & H.

>Click here: http://offers./click/216/0

>

March 6, 1999

Let me say: there is NO legal protection for this man to enforce his " oath " .

First, it's very unlikely that he would ever file a suit, mainly because the

cost of doing so relative to any potential judgement is extremely prohibitive.

Plus, proving and quantifying damages would be impossible. Additionally, the

" oath " as a contract is legally invalid because one could easily claim duress in

signing this oath. As a result, please feel free to divulge his exact treatment

to this group; it will only help those in need and prompt Boyd to release

his " cure " to the public.

Ty McCarthy

<00da01be6778$eae400e0$ca1167d-@default> wrote:

Original Article: /list/rosacea-support/?start=2185

> hi, read this post so has anyone tried this??? is it a hoax or not??? i am

> curious ... susan

> Re: warning: potential rosacea hoax

>

> >Hello All,

> >I have copied the letter that I received from Boyd on his cure for

> >rosacea, so you can all decide for yourselves.

> >Take care,

> >Charlene

> >February 18, 1999

> >

> >Dear Charlene:

> >

> > HAVE YOU BEEN SEARCHING FOR A CURE FOR ROSACEA? Without any success?

> >Then, please read on...

> >

> > My name is and I was a cea sufferer for almost three

> years.

> >It was a long, difficult search, but I have found A Cure for cea, and I

> >would like to send it to you.

> >

> > By now, you are probably thinking, " Hey! I'm a sufferer too, and

> I've

> >done some research on cea, and based upon ail of the medical

> information

> >available, there is no cure! " Well, get ready to smile, because today (if

> >you want it to be) your search is over...

> >

> >XXXXXXXXXXXX~XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

> >THERE IS A CURE FOR ROSACEA! IT'S EASY, AND IT WORKS.

> >xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx~

> >

> > Okay, by now you're also wondering, who is this guy? Is he a doctor?

> >dermatologist? maybe a medical professional? Fortunately for you, none of

> >the above. (I explain my reasoning in the next paragraph.) You're

> skeptical.

> >I understand, but I know that while searching for three long years, if I

> had

> >come across this ad from anyone, who claimed to have found A Cure for

> >cea, if they guaranteed it, I would have taken a chance, regardless of

> >who they were, and sent them a check for the information! Here is why...

> >

> > FACT: I don't really want the wrath of the AMA upon me, and I don't

> >actually like being critical of the medical profession, but, as an example,

> >ph Lister surmised and synergised that doctors could save the lives of

> >pregnant women during childbearing simply by washing their hands before

> >delivery. Now, sterilization is common knowledge, but women in delivery

> >rooms died for quite some time after Lister recommended and then tried to

> >get compliance from an unwilling, intractable, medical profession. He was

> >hounded and actually ostracized by many for his viewpoint. He was also

> >absolutely right and for some reason certain people hated him for his idea.

> >It appeared that his colleagues would rather let childbearing women die

> than

> >give Ids cure a try. Years later, he was honored for his work. (i.e., Even

> >if the medical Profession actively pursues and finds A Cure for cea, it

> >will still probably take more than 3 years of Clinical Trials before they

> >release the findings and the cure reaches you.) Do you want to wait that

> >long? Are they even actively searching?

> >

> > FACT: Changing minds is a hard thing to do even when it would save

> >lives, and maybe Lister should have tried a softer sell. Also, since it

> >appears that cea is not a life or death situation, only you can place a

> >level of importance on it as to the mental anguish it is causing you. My

> >anguish, without realizing it, had made me a hermit in the evenings and on

> >weekends. I was also beginning to believe the medical profession's dogma

> >that said, " we don't know what causes it and there is no cure " . So, to send

> >for A Cure for cea from someone who is not a medical professional, but

> >says he has found the cure, can sound almost to good to be true and must

> >make you feel uneasy and uncomfortable. But please remember, many medical

> >miracles and cures have been invented or discovered by regular everyday

> >people like you and me and not just medical professionals. Can you think of

> >any?

> >

> > Page 2

> >

> > FACT: Winchell, the puppeteer, of Jerry Mahoney and

> Knuckle-Head

> > fame invented the heart machine. He is not a medical professional.

> How

> >about Madame Curie? X-Ray technology. She was not an MD. Her husband was a

> >chemist. Any others?

> >

> > FACT: I gathered the information presented in A Cure for cea

> over

> >an intensive three year period, tested ideas on myself and eventually

> >surmised and synergised different concepts into a hypothesis that led to

> the

> >cure. A lot of work went into it. I have read every medical book I could

> >find, and conducted my own testing by sipping wheat grass for a month,

> >eating raw liver for two weeks, drinking a mixture of vinegar and honey,

> >fasting for short periods of time, and etc. Sort of like Edison

> >inventing the light bulb, every time I found out something didn't work, I

> >discarded it and experimented in a new direction. I don't know what passion

> >drove Edison to continue after each successive failure, but my passion to

> >find a cure was rekindled almost every morning when I looked at my still

> >inflamed face in the mirror. So, since I was the original test Guinea Pig,

> I

> >am also the FIRST TESTIMONIAL. Just like the Hair Club for Men~ I am also a

> >member (you're getting this straight from the horse's mouth).

> >

> > FACT: I am also going to give you a 60 day money back Guarantee.

> >Actually, this amounts to you receiving a free test for 60 days. You

> >win/win/win! Time, the Cure and a Guarantee, are all on your side. After

> >receiving A Cure for cea you won't have to imagine your face

> wonderfully

> >clear as you are working and socializing, positive and absolutely confident

> >again. It will happen, I guarantee you or you will get your investment

> >returned. By now, you must remember staying home, many times, refusing

> >offers to see friends or attend parties, because you did not want anyone to

> >see your face. _(12q__ol Any. M~).

> >

> > Please sign the enclosed Oath Coupon (which states you will not

> >disclose this information to anyone except your physician or

> dermatologist).

> >It is necessary. Then mail it to me, today, with your check or a Money

> >Order - Right Now - for the special price of $19.50, Plus. 50 cents

> Shipping

> >and Handling, Payable to: Boyd, and mail it to me: Boyd, PO Box

> >466, Santa , CA 90406-0466. I will send you the A Cure for cea

> >report by First Class return mail the day I receive your funds or check and

> >the signed Oath Coupon.

> >

> > Please Note! Unless you are mailing a check, and it's already

> printed

> >on your check, please remember to type or print your name and full return

> >address legibly on a piece of paper marked A Cure for cea, and include

> >it in the envelope.

> >

> >Thank you for giving me your time, ~,~4'/

> > Boyd ~/~/~t_f_ ~,

> >PS: After three years of frustration, my face is wonderfully clear. You

> will

> >achieve the same results if you write to me today. The ball is in your

> >court. If you wish to remain as you presently are, I won't be frustrated,

> >only a little sad and confused that you have chosen to live with such a

> >malady when a cure is available. Like I told a friend before I discovered

> >the cure, " No it won't kill you, but having it at times makes you wish you

> >were dead. "

> >

> >PPS: I can only Guarantee you this price for the next 7 days, but, by now,

> >you should realize that this information is priceless to you. Don't suffer

> >any longer! Write to me today!

> >

> > i ................................................................

> >

> >By signing this Oath Coupon:

> >I swear I will not divulge to anyone other than my physician or

> >dermatologist the details of how I was cured of cea. I further agree to

> >furnish the address for obtaining this report to anyone who might request

> >it.

> >

> >Print Name:

> >

> >Signed:

> >

> > Re: warning: potential rosacea hoax

> >

> >>

> >>Hi Kay,

> >>

> >>> Last August I sent for the info from Boyd (re: a cure for

> rosacea).

> >>> I had to sign an Oath Coupon (which stated that I would not disclose the

> >>> info to anyone except my physician or dermatologist) with a SASE and

> >>> mailed it back to him, along with $20.

> >>

> >>Thanks for posting the information. It is hard to imagine a cure or even a

> >>decent treatment being so secretive. If there was a solution so sure fire

> >>he could patent it and sell it. Mmmm call me a cynic but it is hard not to

> >>feel that he is taking advantage of people who might get desperate and pay

> >>for anything - money back guarantee or not.

> >>

> >>> I'd just like to add that, for those using the rosacea ltd. disks- you

> >can

> >>> break these and disolve pieces in bottled water and spray, or wipe with

> >>> cotton on your face if rubbing it on is irritating.

> >>

> >>how did this get on with the water content ? because ther is no

> >preservative

> >>I would think that the solution would get rotten ?

> >>

> >>davidp.

> >>

> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >>Fresh flowers are the perfect way to say " I love you " .

> >>Shipped direct from the grower, Proflowers.com has

> >>arrangements from $29.95 plus S & H.

> >>Click here: http://offers./click/216/0

> >>

March 6, 1999