Re: Interesting Observation

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At $28.00 a bottle for 50 of the 5-Hydroxy L-Tryptophanhere in

Minneapolis, it's really spendy, but it does have some effect - I

bought some of it for myself when I bought Melatonin for - for

me as an adult, the melatonin works better than the tryptophan did.

It was $12.50 for 50 of them. The melatonin also has a peppermint

flavor in it and will let it disolve in her mouth the way it

is supposed to be given - have you ever tried it? I personally will

buy more of the melatonin for myself, not the other.

> Yesterday the 2nd Grade at Jacqui's school had a " Thanksgiving

Feast " . She

> ate Turkey! :-O. Last night she was very calm, very " nt " ish....

>

> Today, she ate turkey again AND turkey SKIN. She really liked the

skin...

> (weird child).

>

> The rest of the entire day she has been the same. Calm, rational,

just

> being a " normal " kid.

>

> My question is about Tryptophan.

> Any thoughts on it?

> I understand that there is something available called 5-Hydroxy L-

Tryptophan

> (5-HTP).

>

> Has anyone heard of this or used it?

>

> Penny

> " Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane "

Dogbert -

> 6/14/98

[Guest guest]

> At $28.00 a bottle for 50 of the 5-Hydroxy L-Tryptophanhere in

> Minneapolis, it's really spendy, but it does have some effect - I

> bought some of it for myself when I bought Melatonin for - for

> me as an adult, the melatonin works better than the tryptophan did.

> It was $12.50 for 50 of them. The melatonin also has a peppermint

> flavor in it and will let it disolve in her mouth the way it

> is supposed to be given - have you ever tried it? I personally will

> buy more of the melatonin for myself, not the other.

>

,

Does your have anxiety problems? My is on Prozac for OCD

and we just started the Melatonin. She was having a lot of problems

going to sleep and staying asleep. She's doing a lot better since we

started the Melatonin. She's waking up a lot more rested. Just

curious about the L-Tryptophanhere because she could use a little

extra help with the anxiety and I hate to up the Prozac to the point

of making her dopey.

Tina

[Guest guest]

Tina -

is 3 1/2, so who knows at this point - but I would guess yes,

she does. I tried the melatonin for my to sleep better, as

she wakes up crying 2 or 3 times a night - never stays awake for

long, but with a 2 1/2 year old also, I have major sleep

depravation. It really didn't make her sleep better, but it did

make her not as upset when she did wake up. As she is already on

Claritin and albuterol, I try and keep the other meds to a minimum,

but I needed some sleep so I tried it on her and for me.

I have anxiety problems and could probably be diagnosed OCD, so I

tried the melatonin - I find it much more calming than the

Tryptophan. Either of them does basically the same thing - calms me

down, but the melatonin works better for me. I just tried Paxil for

anxiety for 5 weeks and was not impressed. I don't know what the

prozac would do for me.

For the price difference and the results that I saw myself between

the two, I would not spend the money on the tryptophan. I do think

I would chat with a homepathic doctor before trying the prozac and

either of them together if you have one in your area. Talking to

the MD isn't going to get you any answers as they tend not to see

the other remedies.

I did not try the trytophan with , but I would feel very

comfortable using the melatonin during the day if needed it.

In 's case, as long as she is engaged in activities for most of

the day, she only gets upset for like 5 minutes now, compared to the

1 1/2 hours at a time that we were seeing at a younger age, but I

really credit the brush therapy and the joint compressions with

getting those issues down to a tolerable level. With my daughter it

is more a matter of getting her to engage, rather than getting her

to calm down. She would stim on movies all day if I let her.

>

> > At $28.00 a bottle for 50 of the 5-Hydroxy L-Tryptophanhere in

> > Minneapolis, it's really spendy, but it does have some effect - I

> > bought some of it for myself when I bought Melatonin for -

for

> > me as an adult, the melatonin works better than the tryptophan

did.

> > It was $12.50 for 50 of them. The melatonin also has a

peppermint

> > flavor in it and will let it disolve in her mouth the way

it

> > is supposed to be given - have you ever tried it? I personally

will

> > buy more of the melatonin for myself, not the other.

> >

>

> ,

>

> Does your have anxiety problems? My is on Prozac for

OCD

> and we just started the Melatonin. She was having a lot of

problems

> going to sleep and staying asleep. She's doing a lot better since

we

> started the Melatonin. She's waking up a lot more rested. Just

> curious about the L-Tryptophanhere because she could use a little

> extra help with the anxiety and I hate to up the Prozac to the

point

> of making her dopey.

>

> Tina

[Guest guest]

I just went back and read the melatonin bottle - it does say to be

taken only at bed time, but it also says not to use it with children

and 's psychiatrist was ok with the idea of trying it with

her. The tryptophan says something like you can take 5 tablets

through out the day as an adult - but back to the way either of them

works on me - the melatonin has a noticible calming effect that the

trpytophan didn't see to have.

D.

[Guest guest]

I just tried Paxil for anxiety for 5 weeks and was not impressed. I

don't know what the prozac would do for me.

>

We tried Paxil with first. It was like giving her water. No

effect. So we tried the Prozac. I saw a major decrease in the anxiety

attacks right away. It's not the best solution for the OCD behavior

though, we're still seeing some of that.

>Talking to the MD isn't going to get you any answers as they tend

not to see the other remedies.

>

Here's where I'm lucky. The neurologist I take the kids to is very

open to homeopathic remedies. He's one of the few in this part of the

country that will use the Ketogenic diet with epileptic kids. When we

where having so much trouble getting 's seizures under control,

we discussed it. We agreed to try the Depakote first. It made a major

difference. was able to maintain at a much lower dose than the

Tegratol.

He's one of the few doctors I've been to that LISTENS to me. He

respects parents who've done their research and know what they're

dealing with. He's not afraid to say, " I disagree. " But at the same

time, he's not afraid of losing power by saying " I think that's a

good idea. Let's try it. " He suggested Melatonin with before I

had a chance to ask if it was okay to use with the Prozac.

> With my daughter it is more a matter of getting her to engage,

rather than getting her to calm down. She would stim on movies all

day if I let her.

>

She sounds very similar to my at 3 1/2. would still watch

movies all day if I let her. She lives for the TV. She thinks she's

going into withdrawal because she was banned from watching TV in my

bedroom for getting too violent when she was watching Power Rangers.

(she thinks she's doing karate moves, problem is, my mini-blinds

can't defend themselves.) ;o)

Thanks for the feedback! I'm not sure I'll try the melatonin during

the day with . It puts her to sleep too quickly. I guess I could

try a 1/2 dose during the day when she doesn't have school to see how

it goes.

Tina

[Guest guest]

>I'm not sure I'll try the melatonin during the day with . It

>puts her to sleep too quickly. I guess I could

> try a 1/2 dose during the day when she doesn't have school to see

>how it goes.

I would try 1/4 of a dose of the melatonin - that way she will get

some of the calming effects, but not the seditive effects. Than you

can move up if it isn't enough, vs having her sleep through a few

days. You might want to discuss Zoloft as an alternative to both

the prozac and the melatonin with your doctor - my husband takes it

and it really does seem to settle down his obsessing.

> Here's where I'm lucky. The neurologist I take the kids to is very

> open to homeopathic remedies. He's one of the few in this part of

>the country that will use the Ketogenic diet with epileptic kids.

Did you know that the ketogentic diet is fundable through MA if

has it? That is one of the few scientifically proven diets -

we used in in our arguement to get the state of MN to include the

GFCF diet in our MA and our waiver amendment, along with supplements

like melatonin that a licensed physcian is willing to prescribe for

our kids here.

> (she thinks she's doing karate moves, problem is, my mini-blinds

> can't defend themselves.) ;o)

My has the same issues, but no coordination to do much besides

land on her own fanny and with a brother 28 months older, I figure

it doesn't hurt to let her try and defend herself.

No problem on the feed back - I read all the posts, but unless I

know something specific, I just don't have the time to do more than

keep up with the reading. Now I start a 40 hour a week job on

Monday on top of everything else, so I'll be even busier.

[Guest guest]

> I would try 1/4 of a dose of the melatonin - that way she will get

> some of the calming effects, but not the seditive effects.

That's a good idea. She has 2 weeks off at Christmas so I think I'll

try it then. The obsessing isn't causing any dangerous behavior so we

can wait.

I'll ask about Zoloft.

> Did you know that the ketogentic diet is fundable through MA if

> has it?

He's not on it. He managed to maintain on the Depakote and we

recently stopped that in May. He's still having some possible seizure

activity but since it's not a full seizure, we're holding off on

medicating him again. The neurologist said if it continues we'll

schedule another EEG. His last one was clear but he wouldn't be the

first kid to have a normal EEG and then an abnormal one.

> > (she thinks she's doing karate moves, problem is, my mini-blinds

> > can't defend themselves.) ;o)

>

> My has the same issues, but no coordination to do much

besides land on her own fanny and with a brother 28 months older, I

figure it doesn't hurt to let her try and defend herself.

>

isn't co-ordinated at all, that's how she broke my mini-blinds.

She wasn't aiming for them at all.

> No problem on the feed back - I read all the posts, but unless I

> know something specific, I just don't have the time to do more than

> keep up with the reading. Now I start a 40 hour a week job on

> Monday on top of everything else, so I'll be even busier.

I understand that! I try to keep up, but I don't have time to answer

all the ones I want to answer. Good luck on the job. I hope you've

found a good sitter. That's always been the hardest part of working

for me.

Tina

[Guest guest]

If that is the case then I ned to make Alec eat an entire turkey!!!!!

Unfortuneately he wont touch the stuff. Maybe next year.

Jacquie H

Interesting Observation

Yesterday the 2nd Grade at Jacqui's school had a " Thanksgiving Feast " . She

ate Turkey! :-O. Last night she was very calm, very " nt " ish....

Today, she ate turkey again AND turkey SKIN. She really liked the skin...

(weird child).

The rest of the entire day she has been the same. Calm, rational, just

being a " normal " kid.

My question is about Tryptophan.

Any thoughts on it?

I understand that there is something available called 5-Hydroxy L-Tryptophan

(5-HTP).

Has anyone heard of this or used it?

Penny

" Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane " Dogbert -

6/14/98

[Guest guest]

I have to believe it, Jacquie.

She didn't have any turkey yesterday and was completely out of

control...bizarre I'll tell ya...She was completely wound.

....and she wouldn't let dh buy turkey at the store yesterday.... which I

kinda figured.

:-(

Penny

Re: Interesting Observation

If that is the case then I ned to make Alec eat an entire turkey!!!!!

Unfortuneately he wont touch the stuff. Maybe next year.

Jacquie H

[Guest guest]

ACK! I do beleive it. I really do. I just wish I couyld get Alec to eat it. I

will keep trying. Hopefully you can get Jacqui to eat some turkey down the road.

Jacquie H

Re: Interesting Observation

If that is the case then I ned to make Alec eat an entire turkey!!!!!

Unfortuneately he wont touch the stuff. Maybe next year.

Jacquie H