Guest guest Posted December 30, 1998 Report Share Posted December 30, 1998 In a message dated 12/30/98 9:18:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ptownleysmith@... writes: << I'm going to talk to my Derm about the safety of using it long term. >> Kerry, Please post whatever he/she says. I have been using it for close to seven years and have no problem but I bet your doctor would know more. I'm happy it's working as well for you as it does for me. It doesn't for everyone, I know. But I also know when it works, it works. Listen, I still can get into a flare with enough exposure to a trigger. So, please, keep tracking triggers. The zinc oxide is simply a coping tool, it is not a cure. I do feel strongly that the combination of using zinc oxide and taking an antihistamine are the reasons I am doing well. I honestly have severe rosacea and 95% of the time, no one would know. And I can't wear makeup, so what you see is what you get here. I do need to treat the seb/derm when it kicks up. And I use Cleocin T Lotion when I have bumps. (which is rarely nowadays). The rest you guys all know by now. Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1998 Report Share Posted December 30, 1998 Kerry, <> It's perfect for me for everyday use. (I am outside all year long at lunchtime for about 20 minutes) But it's not enough if I'm going to the beach for a day. (Yeah, I sit under an umbrella and wear a huge straw hat, except when I am in the water). But then, I don't usually mix it with anything but vaseline. I have been mixing it with the Bare Minerals if we're going out at night, for the last couple of months. I know I can't use Bare Minerals everyday but I wonder ........you could be right. If you could leave more zinc on top of the skin maybe it would be enough? If it was on thicker, you think it might work??? It's interesting though. I mean you and I are talking about zinc oxide and Desitin. But zinc oxide is also in some sun screens and this year I read that we should all be using sunscreens with zinc oxide or titanium dioxide (sp?) in it. Seems it's the only thing out there that blocks both UVB and UVA rays. Anyway, some people have gotten good results just using sunscreen with zinc oxide in it. Interesting, isn't it? cea Ltd. gets good results also and contains zinc oxide. HTH Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1998 Report Share Posted December 30, 1998 Hi all! I've been away for a few days and I'm just catching up. I wanted to let you know that I've been continuing with the desitin treatment (once a day, at night, preceded by metrogel and followed by oil of olay lotion for sensitive skin) and it is still working very well. I use the metrogel and the lotion in the morning also, but not the Desitin because it seems drying (I'm considering going the vaseline route to counteract this. I decided to test the waters a little this weekend, and being a very foolish chocolate lover, I decided to try that. I am pleased (relieved) to report that I ate a disgusting amount of chocolate and barely turned light pink. I am mainly a flarer with very small bumps, and both of those symptoms are gone. My cheeks and nose were pink to red for the last year, and it had spread to my chin and forehead as well. It is even helping reverse rosacea induced wrinkles. This is no cure, but I want to encourage anyone who is interested to give it a try. I think zinc is very important for treating this condition. I tried it on a very small patch for several days first just to make sure it wouldn't cause problems. I'm going to talk to my Derm about the safety of using it long term. I know it seems weird to put diaper cream on your face, but it is working so well and it only takes a tiny amount. Happy New Year to all. Sorry this is somewhat garbled-my one-year-old keeps jumping in. Kerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 1998 Report Share Posted December 30, 1998 I forgot to say that zinc oxide (perhaps mixed with vaseline and a drop of make-up...) may be the non-irritating sunscreen that some of us are looking for. Kerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Isn't that funny Kerry? I am doing the same thing with the desitin in the morning, and I definately notice a difference. I am more pink, and not red, or god forbid, purple. I also notice if you use desitin before makeup, you dont need the " green stick " . It has the added bonus of toning down the flush. I am also using Noritate at night, and Clinique Turnaround after that. I am not taking any meds, occasionally a benadryl (Yes, Esther, I went out and bought some, and thank you) when I'm a little dumb, and eat something spicy -- and then I flare a bit. But, not too much. I seem to have this under control, at least for the minute. Happy, healthy New year's to all. Thanks for all the advice and support. Maureen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Maureen and Margaret, I'm happy you both are having luck with the zinc oxide. Kind of surprised. I'm sort of use to getting one post that it works for someone and the next one that it's terrible for someone else. But I love the stuff. Please, if anyone does know of long term problems using zinc oxide topically. I don't expect there will be any. I mean we all use this stuff on babies too long term, ya know? Margaret, other products that contain zinc oxide are some sunscreens, calamine lotion (I know one woman who loved with rosacea who loved using the calamine lotion), Desitin and cea Ltd. I don't know of any others, but would love to know if there are more out there. Oh, that's not true. There's a zinc oxide that's sold in health food stores also. I have sample here that a friend on the net sent me. Haven't tried it. It's called Diaper-Care. Don't have a clue yet what how it'll be for me. Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 In a message dated 12/31/98 2:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Leugene@... writes: << I am new to the group and haven't heard about desitin use for rosacea. Could someone update me? It sounds interesting! >> Leugene, I use zinc oxide (mixed with vaseline. gross,eh?) for my rosacea and it's been a big help. I also swear that antihistamines have been a big help to me. Zinc oxide is a bit of a pain to rub in. Desitin is easier. Some folks do better with Desitin. I wouldn't opt for it, though, if you have lots of chemical triggers. There are several products that contain zinc oxide and I believe they are worth a shot. I have read good and bad posts on all of the them. If you want to try it, please go slow and test it carefully. While I love it and it helps me, you never know. So, easy does it. Zinc oxide is basically found in either the first aid section of a drug store or the diaper rash section. HTH Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Dear group, I am not at all surprised to hear about zinc oxide working.....after all I've been using it on my boy's skin rashes for several years!!!! hahaha........I mean they can have very red irritated skin and the zinc calms it down completely overnight......also, years ago I used to use a makeup by Arden that contained zinc oxide as its main ingredient.....my skin seemed to love it. A friend had told me about it.....I believe its called Flawless Finish makeup.....maybe some of you could try it!!!! I have a book that tells about it......if I find it I will post some more info about it!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 I am new to the group and haven't heard about desitin use for rosacea. Could someone update me? It sounds interesting! Leugene@... Re: zinc oxide >Isn't that funny Kerry? I am doing the same thing with the desitin in the >morning, and I definately notice a difference. I am more pink, and not red, >or god forbid, purple. > >I also notice if you use desitin before makeup, you dont need the " green >stick " . It has the added bonus of toning down the flush. I am also using >Noritate at night, and Clinique Turnaround after that. > >I am not taking any meds, occasionally a benadryl (Yes, Esther, I went out and >bought some, and thank you) when I'm a little dumb, and eat something spicy -- >and then I flare a bit. But, not too much. I seem to have this under >control, at least for the minute. > >Happy, healthy New year's to all. Thanks for all the advice and support. > >Maureen > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Heart Disease. Family Medicine. ADD. Arthritis. Asthma. Neuroscience. >Hundreds of expert human guides to lead you through thousands of topics. >Explore The Mining Co. http://offers./click/195/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Since I have been seeing a lot of questions about a sunscreen that won't make us " flare " I thought I'd jump in here and mention two that I like (I still have to use them SPARINGLY and be careful--wear a hat, etc.) One's the " Iguana " sunblock (can find in grocery stores); the other is a Reviva product (health food stores) and is a gel sunscreen for " oily, sensitive " skin. Hope this might be of help! Carol ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Ombrelle spf15 spray-on (with Parsol 1789) is pretty good. It doesn't make my skin react with redness or bumps like other ones I've tried. I buy it at a drugstore for about $7. Matija --- Voigt wrote: > > Since I have been seeing a lot of questions about a sunscreen that won't > make us " flare " I thought I'd jump in here and mention two that I like (I > still have to use them SPARINGLY and be careful--wear a hat, etc.) > One's the " Iguana " sunblock (can find in grocery stores); the other is a > Reviva product (health food stores) and is a gel sunscreen for " oily, > sensitive " skin. Hope this might be of help! > Carol > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Archaeology. Biology. Ecology. Geology. Meteorology. Findology? > Hundreds of expert human guides to lead you through thousands of topics. > Explore The Mining Co. http://offers./click/194/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 I tried calamine lotion which has zinc oxide in it. It's ability to stop the redness and bumps is great -- almost overnight. However, it's too drying for me. Petrolatum products make me react as does any sort of oil (mineral, jojoba, etc.). I will try to research a brand that is non-drying and non-acnegenic. I'll let you all know if I'm successful. Matija ---Esther231@... wrote: > > In a message dated 12/31/98 2:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Leugene@... writes: > > << I am new to the group and haven't heard about desitin use for rosacea. > Could > someone update me? It sounds interesting! >> > > Leugene, > I use zinc oxide (mixed with vaseline. gross,eh?) for my rosacea and it's > been a big help. I also swear that antihistamines have been a big help to > me. Zinc oxide is a bit of a pain to rub in. Desitin is easier. Some folks > do better with Desitin. I wouldn't opt for it, though, if you have lots of > chemical triggers. There are several products that contain zinc oxide and I > believe they are worth a shot. I have read good and bad posts on all of the > them. If you want to try it, please go slow and test it carefully. While I > love it and it helps me, you never know. So, easy does it. Zinc oxide is > basically found in either the first aid section of a drug store or the diaper > rash section. > HTH > Esther > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Waiting for daily BCS updates to arrive in your inbox? > Join the ESPN.com e-group and we will deliver them to you. > http://offers./click/181/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 1998 Report Share Posted December 31, 1998 Skylar, I was planning to call a few drugstores on Saturday to see if I could buy straight zinc oxide so I could mix it with a product that doesn't cause flareups. I have to be careful in that area. If that doesn't work, I've heard of a company called Skinceuticals that has spf20 sunscreen with transparent zinc oxide. This could work for daytime. I'm trying to get samples. I'll keep in touch about my search. Matija --- & Skylar Cohen wrote: > > This has been kind of a brain damaging week for me, so if this is a > repeat, I apologize. > > I'm just wondering if anyone has ever talked with a compounding > pharmacist about the zinc oxide mix? They might be able to mix > something up similar to the vaseline/zinc oxide mix that Esther is > using. > > Regarding sunblock, I remember as a kid wearing white zinc oxide all > over my nose & cheeks as sunblock. A few years ago, someone was > marketing little pots of neon zinc oxide -- does anyone remember that? > > I'm still intrigued by all of this, but since I just received the > products for Dr. Sy's project, I'm going to hold off on anything else > new for now. > > Skylar > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Archaeology. Biology. Ecology. Geology. Meteorology. Findology? > Hundreds of expert human guides to lead you through thousands of topics. > Explore The Mining Co. http://offers./click/194/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 1999 Report Share Posted January 1, 1999 Esther, Thank you for the information. I plan to give it a try. I have had a lot of problems during the Christmas season with flareups. (Stress, cookie baking!,cold weather, etc.) I hope it will work for me. (Leugene@...) Re: zinc oxide >In a message dated 12/31/98 2:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Leugene@... writes: > ><< I am new to the group and haven't heard about desitin use for rosacea. >Could > someone update me? It sounds interesting! >> > >Leugene, >I use zinc oxide (mixed with vaseline. gross,eh?) for my rosacea and it's >been a big help. I also swear that antihistamines have been a big help to >me. Zinc oxide is a bit of a pain to rub in. Desitin is easier. Some folks >do better with Desitin. I wouldn't opt for it, though, if you have lots of >chemical triggers. There are several products that contain zinc oxide and I >believe they are worth a shot. I have read good and bad posts on all of the >them. If you want to try it, please go slow and test it carefully. While I >love it and it helps me, you never know. So, easy does it. Zinc oxide is >basically found in either the first aid section of a drug store or the diaper >rash section. >HTH >Esther > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Waiting for daily BCS updates to arrive in your inbox? >Join the ESPN.com e-group and we will deliver them to you. >http://offers./click/181/0 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 1999 Report Share Posted January 1, 1999 In a message dated 12/31/98 8:42:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, ruizdelvizo@... writes: << I will try to research a brand that is non-drying and non-acnegenic. I'll let you all know if I'm successful. >> Thanks Matija. Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 1999 Report Share Posted January 1, 1999 Hi Esther, Your improvement from using zinc oxide, in my opinion, has scientific basis: 1) It is a physical sunblock; hence it takes care of one rosacea trigger- the sun. The usual zinc oxide you buy, unlike the microfine ones used in sunscreens, will give only SPF of 4-6 at most. Therefore, you still have to cover up w/ a wide-brimmed hat. 2) The opacity of zinc oxide leaves a thin whitish residue on the skin which neutralizes the ruddiness you have, thus giving you some camouflage. 3) When you add vaseline (petrolatum) to the zinc oxide, the mixture lubricates the skin which diminishes the flaking and makes your skin feel better. The downside of zinc oxide are: it is chalky if applied thickly; it is greasy and not very esthetic and kind of cumbersome especially for men who are not used to applying much on their skin. Lastly, those w/ oily-combination type skin will definitely not be crazy about it. Sy M.D.http://www.lindasy.com Re: zinc oxide Kerry, Please post whatever he/she says. I have been using it for close to seven years and have no problem but I bet your doctor would know more. I'm happy it's working as well for you as it does for me. It doesn't for everyone, I know. But I also know when it works, it works. Listen, I still can get into a flare with enough exposure to a trigger. So, please, keep tracking triggers. The zinc oxide is simply a coping tool, it is not a cure. I do Small Business Information. Management. Economics. Stocks. Mutual Funds. Financial Services. Hundreds of expert human guides to lead you through thousands of topics. Explore The Mining Co. http://home.miningco.com/business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 1999 Report Share Posted February 5, 1999 Forgive me, group, I feel as if I might be a " broken record " but perhaps it bears repeating--a great zinc oxide cream to try is the " Oily Skin " night cream from Reviva; it does cost more than Desitin, but in zinc oxide circles--esp. with our type skins--it has great success in helping with the healing, and breakouts. Reviva can be found in health food stores. I just don't think that Desitin is created for our general skin problem; besides, if its on your FACE, whatever reaction comes about, SHOWS. My poor facial skin suffers from many things, but I don't think that includes diaper rash--or maybe it does. I know there are some people who use Desitin with great results--we sure react differently, don't we? Carol ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 1999 Report Share Posted February 12, 1999 Carol, Could you post the ingredients of that Oily skin Cream???? Sounds good.......how about a phone number......haven't seen it in the health stores here???? Gretch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 1999 Report Share Posted February 12, 1999 Carol, Could you post the ingredients of that Oily skin Cream???? Sounds good.......how about a phone number......haven't seen it in the health stores here???? Gretch ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 In a message dated 3/6/99 9:04:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mbromage@... writes: << Does anyone know where you can get the zinc oxide mixed with dimethicone that Dr. Nase suggested? >> , I don't think this is on the market yet. Often, a pharmacy will be willing to make up something if you know what you want in a product. Since all of this is available over the counter, bet you could get it made up without too much trouble. (Not that I've done this, I haven't. But I do know people who have stuff made up for them.) HTH Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 1999 Report Share Posted March 7, 1999 In a message dated 3/6/99 9:04:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, mbromage@... writes: << Does anyone know where you can get the zinc oxide mixed with dimethicone that Dr. Nase suggested? >> , I don't think this is on the market yet. Often, a pharmacy will be willing to make up something if you know what you want in a product. Since all of this is available over the counter, bet you could get it made up without too much trouble. (Not that I've done this, I haven't. But I do know people who have stuff made up for them.) HTH Esther ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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