Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 I had my second visit with my PCP today and I have real conflicting feelings about it. He reiterated that Kaiser wants to see six months worth of documentation from him and the nutritionist before they will accept the paperwork for consideration. I understand that and I'm okay with that. However, he said they are very strict about approvals and that they want to see some serious co-morbidities before they would consider WLS " medically necessary " . (Except for my BMI of 52 and my arthritis, I'm surprisingly healthy - liver, kidneys, blood sugar, BP - a little hi on the cholesterol but easily controlled through diet.) I reminded him that the Kaiser guidelines say " a BMI of 40 or over with co-morbidities or a BMI of 50 without. " He agreed that's what the guidelines say but that he's never been able to get anyone approved for the surgery. I don't know if his poor success rate is because Kaiser Mid-Atlantic really IS that difficult or because his submissions are so lackluster that the evaluator senses it and doesn't approve the surgery. I'm just not sure what vibes I'm reading from my PCP. He doesn't say he's opposed and he acknowledged that WLS is the only proven successful method to treat morbid obesity. And in the next breath he talks about some of his unfortunate patients who have had WLS and present to him with all kinds of problems. Anyway, he said when he sees me in 3 months, he'll order the rest of the tests required for approval. I asked about a sleep study and he wasn't sure Kaiser required it but he'd check the protocol and if it's required, he'd order it as well. He went ahead and prescribed Meridia. I've never taken this and would like to get some feedback from folks on using this. I did 2 weeks of Phen/fen before it was banned and then I did a pondimin/prozac cocktail that was really unsettling. I meet with the nutritionist tomorrow. I guess what I'm thinking is this: if I can be as successful with weight loss by altering my diet and exercising as I would be with surgery, I'm all for it. Who wouldn't be? I don't really want to risk my life on the operating table but neither do I want to diet and then gain back more than I did and find myself a year from now WITH all the serious co-morbidities that I don't have now. We all know how unsuccessful our *diets* have been. If I could eat what a person eats after surgery without undergoing the surgery then I'd surely lose the weight, too. There's nothing mystical about WLS. The success people have is because they are satisfied eating significantly smaller portions and if they try to eat more, they dump or vomit. No hocus pocus there. But it's not something you can duplicate in any other way without the surgery. It that were possible, folks would have done it. So I'm going to follow the " Lean for Life " plan during the six months I have to document weight loss (it simulates the diet plan after WLS but larger portions). I'm going to join the gym and work out. I may even try for a couple more sessions with the psychologist to see if I can understand my eating obsession and find more positive ways of dealing with my stress. If, at the end of 6 months I've had a significant weight loss and I feel I can achieve a healthy weight (AND MAINTAIN IT) without surgery, fine. If not, I'll have my PCP submit the paperwork, add my own letter and see what happens. I can be a very persuasive writer. And if they don't approve me, I'll either resubmit or I'll refi my house and get cash out to pay for the surgery. I'm not going to let my healthy self (which I would think means I'm a *great* candidate for surgery) become so unhealthy that I develop serious co-morbidities and then have to confront Kaiser again. Why would I want to do that? Does it really make sense to gain weight and become diabetic or develop congestive heart failure before I can get approval? But again I say, if you tell me to pick Door #1 which very nearly guarantees reaching a healthy weight with only a small chance of gaining it back and no risks vs. Door #2 which entails the same guarantees but involves major surgery and risks, I'll take Door #1. Who wouldn't??? But I'm skeptical and am afraid that Door #1 really is a gag prize. I still have to get through these 6 months and I would love it if I could walk into my PCP's office 3 months from now weighing 45 pounds less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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