RE: Any suggestions? :) Raleigh vs. Durham

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Steve is right about the crime rate being higher in Durham, BUT there are nice

places in Durham and the crime area folks tend to stay in their area. AND, it's

not the kind of place you can't drive thru during the day, but you definitely

don't have to go through that area to get around town. (I don't remember the

last time I was over there and I live near the hospital.)

One of the differences between Durham and Raleigh is the traffic. Raleigh

traffic is more like big city traffic (and I've lived in Baltimore). Riding

isn't all that comfortable right after surgery.

If you want to get out of Durham, the RTP (Research Triangle Park) is about 20

minutes away and there are nice places there to stay.

Bonnie, from Durham

MGB - 11/2/99

[Guest guest]

Where's the mall and movie theatres?

J.

[Guest guest]

Don't forget about the option of staying in Raleigh or Research Triangle

Park instead of Durham, especially if you will have somebody else there to

do the driving. It is not as convenient to be sure (it would probably be

about a 10-20 mile trip each way, depending where you stayed in

Raleigh/RTP), but it would be a lot safer and probably nicer as well.

I am a resident of the Raleigh-Durham area, so I have personal knowledge

that a lot of other people on this board don't have. In these parts Durham

is well-known for having a much higher crime rate (especially murder) than

Raleigh. And from my visit to the clinic in Durham this last weekend, I can

attest that the clinic is not that far at all from a fairly undesirable

neighborhood--this is something to consider if you're especially looking

for a hotel very close to the clinic/hospital. In addition, Raleigh and RTP

are just nicer looking places than Durham (though someone from the

industrial Northeast would find Durham very familiar looking).

I urge all you non-locals to think about this, and check it out with any

other locals you can find on the board. Good luck everyone

Steve

[Guest guest]

Let me help you out. When you get off 147 and go through town there are

black people and they will eat you up if you go through there. If you get

out of the car they will murder you and kidnap you because they have run out

of food stamps. They love to run down the street after cars and capture

white people. I saw them. So you probably should stay out of Durham for

your own safety. It is really bad there. I saw a big black boiling pot in

the middle of town with five or six white people in it . The black people

were preparing dinner for all the residents in that old section. They had

put celery, carrots and onions and Thunderbird wine in the pot while they

simmered the white people and were baking a hugh pan of cornbread and

watermelon for dessert.. Ummmm good dinner. Stay out of Durham, please I

wouldn't want to lose you too. Jean

[Guest guest]

I am white, well sort of pink or maybe beige in color but that doesn't

matter, I think you are sooo funny! Thanks for the laugh today! I needed

it!! I am printing this off to let my husband read!

We went to Durham with no problems whatsoever. Believe me, we are from AL

and have never been to Durham and had no clue as to what was what but I have

to tell you we had a very good experience and everyone was very nice to us.

We even ate breakfast one morning in that " area " . I love ALL people and yes,

it does pay to be smart and be aware of your surroundings just to be safe but

we shouldn't stereo type people by appearances. I am from AL but I assure

you there is no inbreeding in my family!! LOL!

in AL

[Guest guest]

Can you recommend a Suites type of hotel, ie Resident Inn or something

VERY nice in the Raleigh or CHapel Hill area? THanks.

Parsons, wrote:

>

>

> Don't forget about the option of staying in Raleigh or Research

> Triangle Park instead of Durham, especially if you will have somebody

> else there to do the driving. It is not as convenient to be sure (it

> would probably be about a 10-20 mile trip each way, depending where

> you stayed in Raleigh/RTP), but it would be a lot safer and probably

> nicer as well.

>

> I am a resident of the Raleigh-Durham area, so I have personal

> knowledge that a lot of other people on this board don't have. In

> these parts Durham is well-known for having a much higher crime rate

> (especially murder) than Raleigh. And from my visit to the clinic in

> Durham this last weekend, I can attest that the clinic is not that far

> at all from a fairly undesirable neighborhood--this is something to

> consider if you're especially looking for a hotel very close to the

> clinic/hospital. In addition, Raleigh and RTP are just nicer looking

> places than Durham (though someone from the industrial Northeast would

> find Durham very familiar looking).

>

> I urge all you non-locals to think about this, and check it out with

> any other locals you can find on the board. Good luck everyone

>

> Steve

>

[Guest guest]

What are the areas that we should not go in? Thanks.

Bkj9@... wrote:

> From: Bkj9@...

>

> Hi,

> Steve is right about the crime rate being higher in Durham, BUT there are

nice places in Durham and the crime area folks tend to stay in their area. AND,

it's not the kind of place you can't drive thru during the day, but you

definitely don't have to go through that area to get around town. (I don't

remember the last time I was over there and I live near the hospital.)

>

> One of the differences between Durham and Raleigh is the traffic. Raleigh

traffic is more like big city traffic (and I've lived in Baltimore). Riding

isn't all that comfortable right after surgery.

>

> If you want to get out of Durham, the RTP (Research Triangle Park) is about 20

minutes away and there are nice places there to stay.

> Bonnie, from Durham

> MGB - 11/2/99

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

and you know they love to cook up the biggest ones first for the most flavor.

[Guest guest]

Clarissa,

I am not coming to your neighborhood at Thanksgiving!!!! LOL!

in AL

[Guest guest]

HEHEHEHEHE!

Actually I was about to say that I have found Durham to be very nice. I

think that if you stay aware and do not do anything stupid that you will be

fine. I have a girl friend who lives near Durham and I have to take 85 out

to her place and it is fairly deserted as far as I can tell and the last

time I was there I found getting from 85 to Dr Rs' office to be a breeze and

when leaving I tried going through Durham because I was going to hop on 40

for my folks in Wilmington and got lost and was treated to a lovely

neighborhood of 1940's style bungalow homes and just rode it( i think it was

50 something hyway) out til I ended up in Chapel Hill. It was then a hop

skip and jump to 40. The friend I was talking about has a hubby who is an

engineer and works in the triangle but they have always lived in the area

around Durham despite a long comute sometimes.If you stay on the beltway and

get on the computer and find maps ect then you will be fine! Oh and for

those living in square states, NC can be a bit confusing due to its funny

shape and that things do not always run north south east west. Ok I am done

if you all would like any maps I do have a map program so just let me know

and maybe it will allow me to send them. Paige

>From: VENUS5405@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs. Durham

>Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:38:21 EST

>

>Let me help you out. When you get off 147 and go through town there are

>black people and they will eat you up if you go through there. If you get

>out of the car they will murder you and kidnap you because they have run

>out

>of food stamps. They love to run down the street after cars and capture

>white people. I saw them. So you probably should stay out of Durham for

>your own safety. It is really bad there. I saw a big black boiling pot in

>the middle of town with five or six white people in it . The black people

>were preparing dinner for all the residents in that old section. They had

>put celery, carrots and onions and Thunderbird wine in the pot while they

>simmered the white people and were baking a hugh pan of cornbread and

>watermelon for dessert.. Ummmm good dinner. Stay out of Durham, please I

>wouldn't want to lose you too. Jean

>

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[Guest guest]

Thats the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time! Could you have

added just one more sterotype?

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

Yeah, Venus.... plenty of fatback. (Yuck! that sounds yucky to a postop.)

[Guest guest]

Would like to add my two cents for what it is worth about the racial topics

being discussed here on the list, while it is meant with no harm intended,

please keep an open view as to what is said and how it can be misunderstood by

others. If I was an African-American considering this procedure, I may find the

recent topics concerning crime etc, offensive. We are here to support each other

with concerns surrounding weight loss surgery and obesity issues. We are here

to provide a warm, supportive and non-threatening environment respecting the

dignity, individuality and viewpoints of all participants. This list should be

used as a means to allow for informal expression of personal experiences and

information, which will enrich a person's life. I strongly encourage you to

keep this in mind when you make such open-ended statements. Asking, how will

someone feel after reading my email.

I am sure right now there are some saying, well I don't feel good about her

email, but I am just trying to point out that this is read by all races of

people, working classes and various educational levels. Keep respect in the

mind! As always, just my two cents!!

[Guest guest]

Jean:

I loved your scenario. It was my laugh for the day.

Frances Rountree

UNC-Chapel Hill

-- Begin original message --

> From: VENUS5405@...

> Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:38:21 EST

> Subject: Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs. Durham

> To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

> Reply-to: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>

> From: VENUS5405@...

>

> Let me help you out. When you get off 147 and go through town there are

> black people and they will eat you up if you go through there. If you get

> out of the car they will murder you and kidnap you because they have run out

> of food stamps. They love to run down the street after cars and capture

> white people. I saw them. So you probably should stay out of Durham for

> your own safety. It is really bad there. I saw a big black boiling pot in

> the middle of town with five or six white people in it . The black people

> were preparing dinner for all the residents in that old section. They had

> put celery, carrots and onions and Thunderbird wine in the pot while they

> simmered the white people and were baking a hugh pan of cornbread and

> watermelon for dessert.. Ummmm good dinner. Stay out of Durham, please I

> wouldn't want to lose you too. Jean

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

>

>

-- End original message --

[Guest guest]

I am sorry, but this post offended me. Deb H.

[Guest guest]

ROFLMAO!!!!! I have lived in the NC SC area.... what a bunch of junk.... its no

worse than any other city in America....Get real folks!

Joannie

VENUS5405@... wrote:

> From: VENUS5405@...

>

> Let me help you out. When you get off 147 and go through town there are

> black people and they will eat you up if you go through there. If you get

> out of the car they will murder you and kidnap you because they have run out

> of food stamps. They love to run down the street after cars and capture

> white people. I saw them. So you probably should stay out of Durham for

> your own safety. It is really bad there. I saw a big black boiling pot in

> the middle of town with five or six white people in it . The black people

> were preparing dinner for all the residents in that old section. They had

> put celery, carrots and onions and Thunderbird wine in the pot while they

> simmered the white people and were baking a hugh pan of cornbread and

> watermelon for dessert.. Ummmm good dinner. Stay out of Durham, please I

> wouldn't want to lose you too. Jean

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

I thought it was funny enuf to share with my d/h. We both laffed.

Rose

[Guest guest]

I quit.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Frances, sometimes I just can't stand it. JeaN

[Guest guest]

Deb H, You are offended and I was offended. Jean

[Guest guest]

Well said!!!!My sentiments exactly.

> Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs.

> Durham

>

> From: APEXKAS@...

>

> Would like to add my two cents for what it is worth about the racial

> topics being discussed here on the list, while it is meant with no harm

> intended, please keep an open view as to what is said and how it can be

> misunderstood by others. If I was an African-American considering this

> procedure, I may find the recent topics concerning crime etc, offensive.

> We are here to support each other with concerns surrounding weight loss

> surgery and obesity issues. We are here to provide a warm, supportive and

> non-threatening environment respecting the dignity, individuality and

> viewpoints of all participants. This list should be used as a means to

> allow for informal expression of personal experiences and information,

> which will enrich a person's life. I strongly encourage you to keep this

> in mind when you make such open-ended statements. Asking, how will

> someone feel after reading my email.

>

> I am sure right now there are some saying, well I don't feel good about

> her email, but I am just trying to point out that this is read by all

> races of people, working classes and various educational levels. Keep

> respect in the mind! As always, just my two cents!!

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

Oh, this makes a lot of sense. Come on, people! We have more than enough

going on in our lives that is negative. More than enough people telling us

we're not " all right " and that we should be seen and not heard because of our

size.

In every heart in every person on this list, there is more than enough hurt

and pain. If we were to put our pain and hurt into a basket and pass it

around, NONE of us would take someone else's pain and hurt as our own. Not

because we wouldn't want to try to help each other; because our own pain and

hurt would seem so much more bearable in comparison.

I have such hope for each of us. We are so special. When a family has a

tiff or there is a situation which goes sour, a family pulls together and

reinforces its mission to love and accept each member of that

family...regardless. At least, the families on Ozzie and Harriet always

did! Look at us. Don't you have a special regard in your heart for each and

every one of the people who share their lives with you on this list? Haven't

we all been told enough times by those who are not our size that we don't

count? That we're stupid? That we're dumb? That we're ignorant? You know

the things that are done to us daily by people who just don't get it.

How can we do this to one another?

Please, dear friends; quitting and hiding from each other is not an answer

or an option. I'm counting on you. And you. And you. And you.

I'm counting on you for love and acceptance and a smile. I don't mind if

you're having a bad hair day...I'm still counting on you. And you definitely

can count on me.

Now...group HUG!

[Guest guest]

I third it.

Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs.

> > Durham

> >

> > From: APEXKAS@...

> >

> > Would like to add my two cents for what it is worth about the racial

> > topics being discussed here on the list, while it is meant with no harm

> > intended, please keep an open view as to what is said and how it can be

> > misunderstood by others. If I was an African-American considering this

> > procedure, I may find the recent topics concerning crime etc, offensive.

> > We are here to support each other with concerns surrounding weight loss

> > surgery and obesity issues. We are here to provide a warm, supportive

> and

> > non-threatening environment respecting the dignity, individuality and

> > viewpoints of all participants. This list should be used as a means to

> > allow for informal expression of personal experiences and information,

> > which will enrich a person's life. I strongly encourage you to keep

> this

> > in mind when you make such open-ended statements. Asking, how will

> > someone feel after reading my email.

> >

> > I am sure right now there are some saying, well I don't feel good about

> > her email, but I am just trying to point out that this is read by all

> > races of people, working classes and various educational levels. Keep

> > respect in the mind! As always, just my two cents!!

> >

> > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at

> Onelist.com

> > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

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[Guest guest]

I whole heartedly second that opinion.

> Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs.

> > Durham

> >

> > From: APEXKAS@...

> >

> > Would like to add my two cents for what it is worth about the racial

> > topics being discussed here on the list, while it is meant with no harm

> > intended, please keep an open view as to what is said and how it can be

> > misunderstood by others. If I was an African-American considering this

> > procedure, I may find the recent topics concerning crime etc, offensive.

> > We are here to support each other with concerns surrounding weight loss

> > surgery and obesity issues. We are here to provide a warm, supportive

> and

> > non-threatening environment respecting the dignity, individuality and

> > viewpoints of all participants. This list should be used as a means to

> > allow for informal expression of personal experiences and information,

> > which will enrich a person's life. I strongly encourage you to keep

> this

> > in mind when you make such open-ended statements. Asking, how will

> > someone feel after reading my email.

> >

> > I am sure right now there are some saying, well I don't feel good about

> > her email, but I am just trying to point out that this is read by all

> > races of people, working classes and various educational levels. Keep

> > respect in the mind! As always, just my two cents!!

> >

> > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at

> Onelist.com

> > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net

[Guest guest]

Venus

You are soooooooooo funny. I have tears running down my face. I was just

sitting here trying to imagine that happening. There was just one part you

left out. YEAH, the collard greens !!! You know you need a little fat white

meat to go with those greens and cornbread. Girl im sitting here right now

waiting for some good ole white folks to come through my neighborhood so I

can grab them and start stewing them for Thanksgiving. Nothing like em.

Carlissa

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> From: VENUS5405@...

> To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

> Subject: Re: Any suggestions? Raleigh vs. Durham

> Date: Monday, November 08, 1999 10:38 PM

>

> From: VENUS5405@...

>

> Let me help you out. When you get off 147 and go through town there are

> black people and they will eat you up if you go through there. If you

get

> out of the car they will murder you and kidnap you because they have run

out

> of food stamps. They love to run down the street after cars and capture

> white people. I saw them. So you probably should stay out of Durham for

> your own safety. It is really bad there. I saw a big black boiling pot

in

> the middle of town with five or six white people in it . The black people

> were preparing dinner for all the residents in that old section. They

had

> put celery, carrots and onions and Thunderbird wine in the pot while

they

> simmered the white people and were baking a hugh pan of cornbread and

> watermelon for dessert.. Ummmm good dinner. Stay out of Durham, please

I

> wouldn't want to lose you too. Jean

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com

> Please visit our web site at http://clos.net