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Sara-

Do you have a Paypal account? IF you do - can you send me the email for it?

Thanks,

katrina

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>To: " pa " <parenting_autism >

>Subject: *sigh*

>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:52:31 -0500

>

>We are sooooo financially screwed.

>

>The midwives called to remind us of our appt next week & I had to tell them

>we can't pay them next week, & don't know when or how we'll be able to pay

>them at all. I THINK we MIGHT have a partial payment in December but that

>may depend on Christmas money. As in received. My only Christmas wish

>this

>year is for money to ay the midwives. I don't need any other presents.

>

>At the ultrasound we asked the OB if he knew of anyone on our side of town

>who he would recommend. He gave us a name & said just to let the guy know

>we'd had a home birth & wanted to replicate that experience as closely as

>we

>could, and he would be very willing to work with us. (It was 45 minutes up

>there & he completely understood that it was a bit of a hike to come see

>him

>regularly.) Insurance would cover a hospital birth. Which is really a bit

>silly, because it will cost them at LEAST twice as much. But it's their

>money, not ours...

>

>We won't be having Thanksgiving next week. I am trying to decide on the

>best use of the little cash we do have - do I buy flour & yeast & make

>bread? Or pasta? We have sauce. Or potatoes? If I could buy a turkey I

>would; we would eat it for days, but we do not have that much money.

>

>It is a very good thing we use cloth diapers.

>

>Matt is stressing himself into asshole-land over this.

>

>I have been trying to convince him that giving up our cable modem and

>cable,

>cutting back to basic phone services (we have bells & whistles) would save

>us at least $100 a month. He says it's not worth it. Um, I'm sorry hon,

>but $100 for groceries is more than we have right now, okay? But he is

>feeling so helpless & hopeless he can't see how an extra $100/month would

>help us at all.

>

>God, I hate this.

>

>Oh yes, and we found out that the hospital which provides Mikey's OT is

>still billing our insurance, and our insurance is still paying them,

>despite

>the letter they sent that said they would no longer pay for Mikey's OT.

>They had only authorized an hour a week, and from county funding we got 90

>minutes a week, but the hospital is not billing the county. So not only

>are

>they paying something they said they wouldn't, they are paying for an extra

>30 minutes a week than they said they would to begin with. I have NO idea

>what to do about this. Our case worker said not to say anything, and that

>it is the insurance company's mistake. I am afraid this is going to come

>back and bite us, that the insurance company will discover it's mistake &

>come back & say we owe them the money. Our case worker said they can't do

>that, but I don't trust him.

>

>UGH.

>

>Just venting here.

>

>Thanks.

>

>-Sara.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Katrina,

I was just going to ask her the same thing! :-)

Do ya, Sara, do ya??

ellen

*sigh*

>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:52:31 -0500

>

>We are sooooo financially screwed.

>

>The midwives called to remind us of our appt next week & I had to tell

them

>we can't pay them next week, & don't know when or how we'll be able to

pay

>them at all. I THINK we MIGHT have a partial payment in December but

that

>may depend on Christmas money. As in received. My only Christmas wish

>this

>year is for money to ay the midwives. I don't need any other presents.

>

>At the ultrasound we asked the OB if he knew of anyone on our side of

town

>who he would recommend. He gave us a name & said just to let the guy

know

>we'd had a home birth & wanted to replicate that experience as closely as

>we

>could, and he would be very willing to work with us. (It was 45 minutes

up

>there & he completely understood that it was a bit of a hike to come see

>him

>regularly.) Insurance would cover a hospital birth. Which is really a

bit

>silly, because it will cost them at LEAST twice as much. But it's their

>money, not ours...

>

>We won't be having Thanksgiving next week. I am trying to decide on the

>best use of the little cash we do have - do I buy flour & yeast & make

>bread? Or pasta? We have sauce. Or potatoes? If I could buy a turkey

I

>would; we would eat it for days, but we do not have that much money.

>

>It is a very good thing we use cloth diapers.

>

>Matt is stressing himself into asshole-land over this.

>

>I have been trying to convince him that giving up our cable modem and

>cable,

>cutting back to basic phone services (we have bells & whistles) would

save

>us at least $100 a month. He says it's not worth it. Um, I'm sorry hon,

>but $100 for groceries is more than we have right now, okay? But he is

>feeling so helpless & hopeless he can't see how an extra $100/month would

>help us at all.

>

>God, I hate this.

>

>Oh yes, and we found out that the hospital which provides Mikey's OT is

>still billing our insurance, and our insurance is still paying them,

>despite

>the letter they sent that said they would no longer pay for Mikey's OT.

>They had only authorized an hour a week, and from county funding we got

90

>minutes a week, but the hospital is not billing the county. So not only

>are

>they paying something they said they wouldn't, they are paying for an

extra

>30 minutes a week than they said they would to begin with. I have NO

idea

>what to do about this. Our case worker said not to say anything, and

that

>it is the insurance company's mistake. I am afraid this is going to come

>back and bite us, that the insurance company will discover it's mistake &

>come back & say we owe them the money. Our case worker said they can't

do

>that, but I don't trust him.

>

>UGH.

>

>Just venting here.

>

>Thanks.

>

>-Sara.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sara, have you ever applied for WIC? You get free or discounted foods

if you're pregnant or have an infant.

Also, could you get your prental care done and paid for by insurance and

maybe just hire the midwives to do the birth?

~ Karin

The Byks wrote:

> We are sooooo financially screwed.

>

> The midwives called to remind us of our appt next week & I had to tell them

> we can't pay them next week, & don't know when or how we'll be able to pay

> them at all. I THINK we MIGHT have a partial payment in December but that

> may depend on Christmas money. As in received. My only Christmas wish this

> year is for money to ay the midwives. I don't need any other presents.

>

> At the ultrasound we asked the OB if he knew of anyone on our side of town

> who he would recommend. He gave us a name & said just to let the guy know

> we'd had a home birth & wanted to replicate that experience as closely as we

> could, and he would be very willing to work with us. (It was 45 minutes up

> there & he completely understood that it was a bit of a hike to come see him

> regularly.) Insurance would cover a hospital birth. Which is really a bit

> silly, because it will cost them at LEAST twice as much. But it's their

> money, not ours...

>

> We won't be having Thanksgiving next week. I am trying to decide on the

> best use of the little cash we do have - do I buy flour & yeast & make

> bread? Or pasta? We have sauce. Or potatoes? If I could buy a turkey I

> would; we would eat it for days, but we do not have that much money.

>

> It is a very good thing we use cloth diapers.

>

> Matt is stressing himself into asshole-land over this.

>

> I have been trying to convince him that giving up our cable modem and cable,

> cutting back to basic phone services (we have bells & whistles) would save

> us at least $100 a month. He says it's not worth it. Um, I'm sorry hon,

> but $100 for groceries is more than we have right now, okay? But he is

> feeling so helpless & hopeless he can't see how an extra $100/month would

> help us at all.

>

> God, I hate this.

>

> Oh yes, and we found out that the hospital which provides Mikey's OT is

> still billing our insurance, and our insurance is still paying them, despite

> the letter they sent that said they would no longer pay for Mikey's OT.

> They had only authorized an hour a week, and from county funding we got 90

> minutes a week, but the hospital is not billing the county. So not only are

> they paying something they said they wouldn't, they are paying for an extra

> 30 minutes a week than they said they would to begin with. I have NO idea

> what to do about this. Our case worker said not to say anything, and that

> it is the insurance company's mistake. I am afraid this is going to come

> back and bite us, that the insurance company will discover it's mistake &

> come back & say we owe them the money. Our case worker said they can't do

> that, but I don't trust him.

>

> UGH.

>

> Just venting here.

>

> Thanks.

>

> -Sara.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> Sara-

Do you have a Paypal account? IF you do - can you send me the email for

it?

Thanks,

katrina <

> Katrina,

I was just going to ask her the same thing! :-)

Do ya, Sara, do ya??

ellen <

me too!

gina, who doesn't have a lot of money, but has enough to help sara have a nice

thanksgiving :)

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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Sara,

I just got a small turkey for $10. A great deal but maybe you

could pull together that much for a turkey. Hang in there.

Jacquie H

> We are sooooo financially screwed.

>

> The midwives called to remind us of our appt next week & I had to

tell them

> we can't pay them next week, & don't know when or how we'll be able

to pay

> them at all. I THINK we MIGHT have a partial payment in December

but that

> may depend on Christmas money. As in received. My only Christmas

wish this

> year is for money to ay the midwives. I don't need any other

presents.

>

> At the ultrasound we asked the OB if he knew of anyone on our side

of town

> who he would recommend. He gave us a name & said just to let the

guy know

> we'd had a home birth & wanted to replicate that experience as

closely as we

> could, and he would be very willing to work with us. (It was 45

minutes up

> there & he completely understood that it was a bit of a hike to

come see him

> regularly.) Insurance would cover a hospital birth. Which is

really a bit

> silly, because it will cost them at LEAST twice as much. But it's

their

> money, not ours...

>

> We won't be having Thanksgiving next week. I am trying to decide

on the

> best use of the little cash we do have - do I buy flour & yeast &

make

> bread? Or pasta? We have sauce. Or potatoes? If I could buy a

turkey I

> would; we would eat it for days, but we do not have that much money.

>

> It is a very good thing we use cloth diapers.

>

> Matt is stressing himself into asshole-land over this.

>

> I have been trying to convince him that giving up our cable modem

and cable,

> cutting back to basic phone services (we have bells & whistles)

would save

> us at least $100 a month. He says it's not worth it. Um, I'm

sorry hon,

> but $100 for groceries is more than we have right now, okay? But

he is

> feeling so helpless & hopeless he can't see how an extra $100/month

would

> help us at all.

>

> God, I hate this.

>

> Oh yes, and we found out that the hospital which provides Mikey's

OT is

> still billing our insurance, and our insurance is still paying

them, despite

> the letter they sent that said they would no longer pay for Mikey's

OT.

> They had only authorized an hour a week, and from county funding we

got 90

> minutes a week, but the hospital is not billing the county. So not

only are

> they paying something they said they wouldn't, they are paying for

an extra

> 30 minutes a week than they said they would to begin with. I have

NO idea

> what to do about this. Our case worker said not to say anything,

and that

> it is the insurance company's mistake. I am afraid this is going

to come

> back and bite us, that the insurance company will discover it's

mistake &

> come back & say we owe them the money. Our case worker said they

can't do

> that, but I don't trust him.

>

> UGH.

>

> Just venting here.

>

> Thanks.

>

> -Sara.

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me too, I have a paypal account and can send everything in in.

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> Sara-

Do you have a Paypal account? IF you do - can you send me the email for

it?

Thanks,

katrina <

> Katrina,

I was just going to ask her the same thing! :-)

Do ya, Sara, do ya??

ellen <

me too!

gina, who doesn't have a lot of money, but has enough to help sara have a

nice thanksgiving :)

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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I think Sara can have a nice thanksgiving this year! This group is

great. Count me in for sending sor money for Sara, :)

Jacquie H

> me too, I have a paypal account and can send everything in in.

>

> Re: *sigh*

>

>

> > Sara-

> Do you have a Paypal account? IF you do - can you send me the

email for

> it?

> Thanks,

> katrina <

>

>

> > Katrina,

>

> I was just going to ask her the same thing! :-)

>

> Do ya, Sara, do ya??

>

> ellen <

>

>

> me too!

> gina, who doesn't have a lot of money, but has enough to help

sara have a

> nice thanksgiving :)

>

>

>

> " Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " -

Mr.

>

>

>

>

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All right you guys, I was not asking for money here!! I was just venting.

It is our own fault, we made some big mistakes last check and are paying for

them now.

I think we have a paypal acct. but I don't know anything about it.

At Jacquie H's insistence I will give you our snail mail addy.

You guys...I don't even know what to say. I'm sitting here crying. Thank

you doesn't come anywhere close.

Sara Byk

5537 Cedar Springs

Columbus, OH 43228

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> All right you guys, I was not asking for money here!! I was just venting. It

is our own fault, we made some big mistakes last check and are paying for

them now. <

hey, we all make mistakes and we all help each other fix them. last xmas i was

crying about how i had no money for the kid's gifts and next thing i know i am

getting help left and right. that's what we're here for :)

> I think we have a paypal acct. but I don't know anything about it. <

don't worry about it, we have it figured out :)

> You guys...I don't even know what to say. I'm sitting here crying. Thank you

doesn't come anywhere close. <

you're very welcome, sara. happy thanksgiving :-D

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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Sara --

Sometimes good people want to help where they see a need. Last year we were

helped anonymously by some folks and th en my aunt helped out with presents

and I will alwyas remember her favorite saying: Honey, Love gives. And the

people on this list love you!

So just remember how many people care about you on this list and tell

yourself: Love gives. Someday when you have more you can bless someone else.

Isn't it a lovely way to think!

Love,

Katrina

KatMoody@...

wife to Jim and Mommy to Bobby and Andy

" The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength,

in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my

stronghold. " --Psalm 18:2

>From: " The Byks " Reply-To: parenting_autism To: Subject:

>RE: *sigh* Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:37:12 -0500

>

>All right you guys, I was not asking for money here!! I was just venting.

>It is our own fault, we made some big mistakes last check and are paying

>for them now.

>

>I think we have a paypal acct. but I don't know anything about it.

>

>At Jacquie H's insistence I will give you our snail mail addy.

>

>You guys...I don't even know what to say. I'm sitting here crying. Thank

>you doesn't come anywhere close.

>

>Sara Byk 5537 Cedar Springs Columbus, OH 43228

>

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> We ate sweet-and-sour meatballs on Thanksgiving. What's the big deal? It's

only a bird.

Jacquie <

spoken like a true canadian ;)

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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>

> We won't be having Thanksgiving next week. I am trying to decide on the

> best use of the little cash we do have - do I buy flour & yeast & make

> bread? Or pasta? We have sauce. Or potatoes? If I could buy a turkey I

> would; we would eat it for days, but we do not have that much money.

We ate sweet-and-sour meatballs on Thanksgiving. What's the big deal? It's

only a bird.

Jacquie

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> Sara,

> I just got a small turkey for $10. A great deal but maybe you

> could pull together that much for a turkey. Hang in there.

> Jacquie H

>

>

Sara~

Eagle grocery stores have turkeys for .59/lb compared to everyone

else that is much cheaper. Hope everything gets better...

Amy mom to

Noah 6 Lucas 8 ASD's

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> Sara,

> I just got a small turkey for $10. A great deal but maybe you

> could pull together that much for a turkey. Hang in there.

> Jacquie H

>

>

Count me in on pay pal too :)

Amy mom to

Noah 6 Lucas 8 ASD's

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i don't get it either really. my husband's sister lives in texas. she sent us

a " happy turkey day " card one year! we laughed our asses off! i suppose what

makes it even more odd is that my husband and his sister are both british

expatriates and they don't celebrate any form of thanksgiving in the UK. " happy

turkey day!! " - too funny! i am pretty sure that turkey's not so freaking happy

when you are sticking it in the oven! perhaps jacquie and tuna and i could come

up with our own holiday " happy moose day " or something??

michelle

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> spoken like a true canadian ;)

>

What IS the deal there, anyway? We all know that Americans value

Thanksgiving more than Canadians do, but do have any idea why that is?

(don't insult my country in your answer. LOL)

Jacquie

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what is pay pal anyways?? i have never heard of it.

michelle

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> Sara,

> I just got a small turkey for $10. A great deal but maybe you

> could pull together that much for a turkey. Hang in there.

> Jacquie H

>

>

Count me in on pay pal too :)

Amy mom to

Noah 6 Lucas 8 ASD's

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It's a form of online payment. You set up an account and can pay anyone

with a paypal account. It's mostly used for auction payments.

www.paypal.com

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what is pay pal anyways?? i have never heard of it.

michelle

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> Sara,

> I just got a small turkey for $10. A great deal but maybe you

> could pull together that much for a turkey. Hang in there.

> Jacquie H

>

>

Count me in on pay pal too :)

Amy mom to

Noah 6 Lucas 8 ASD's

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> spoken like a true canadian ;)

>

What IS the deal there, anyway? We all know that Americans value

Thanksgiving more than Canadians do, but do have any idea why that is?

(don't insult my country in your answer. LOL)

Jacquie

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I personally view it as a very sacred holiday -- don't know that I care

about wether there is turkey or ham but we always seem to have one or the

other --- suposedly there was a turkey at the first thanksgiving...or so the

story goes. When I say sacred I don't mean spiritually, although it can be

if you look at it as a time to truly be thankful for what God had given you

(if you beleive :)_)I mean Thanksgiving is one of those holidays Americans

hear about from the time they are kids, in schools and at home -- and it's

introduces in schools with the kind of significance of like the fourth of

july.

Katrina

KatMoody@...

wife to Jim and Mommy to Bobby and Andy

" The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength,

in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my

stronghold. " --Psalm 18:2

>From: " The Hunny Family " Reply-To: parenting_autism To:

>Subject: Re: *sigh* Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:40:11

>-0600

>

>

> > spoken like a true canadian ;) >

>

>

>What IS the deal there, anyway? We all know that Americans value

>Thanksgiving more than Canadians do, but do have any idea why that is?

>

>(don't insult my country in your answer. LOL)

>

>Jacquie

>

>

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>

> But what is the significance? What do you think about when you

think about

> Thanksgiving?

>

> (really asking, not being adversarial in the least. totally

curious and

> interested)

>

> Jacquie

I think if giving thanks for the things you have. Your family, your

friends, love, happiness... anything you personally are thankful for.

Also I think of overcoming differences and helping others thru

adversity. Growing up every American child is taught how the pioneers

and the american indians came together ignoring their differences and

giving thanks for the harvest. It is a yearly reminder to me that

getting over your differences and loving and helping one another

through good and bad times brings us all together in harmony. JMO

Amy mom to

Noah 6 Lucas 8 ASD's

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Well when I think of Thanksgiving I think ofa couple of things. I love

history so I automatically think back to what the first Thanksgiving

actually symbolized. But I am also pretty faithfully Christian and I love

using the opportunity to just " Be Thankful " .

The first Thanksgiving was symbolic as the first settlers in America settled

in for a very hard winter. They had already lost near half of thier number

to disease and hunger before that Thanksgiving. They were a very religious

group of people who had crossed over on the Mayflower to flee from religious

persecution in the first place. To them, this was a test of the Lord and

they were so very thankful to be alive and passing this test. Remember that

the Indians actually helped out the settlers much during this first winter

--- and they supplied the meat for the big Thanksgiving feast as well.

Before that first winter was over over half of the settlers were dead

because of the elements, including lack of food. I beleive sometime in that

next year the newly appointed governor of the colony declared the day

Thanksgiving - as a way to thank the Lord for bringing them through the hard

winter. The day was to be remembered as a day of Thanksgiving to the Lord -

and to serve a reminder of the Lord's blessings.

Much of this isn't found in the history books - I did some of my own

research and I am a Christian so I read some liturature with that connection

as well. But that was a few years back and I could, easily h ave gotten some

pionts wrong.

Now as for me --- I think I feel a little differently about Thanksgiving

than many Americans. I look on it as a special holiday with friends and

family to celebrate what the Lord has blessed us with. It is a day filled

with Thankful prayers and lots of eating ;) but also a renewed sense of

Gratitude. It also serves as the catapault into the Christmas season --- but

that is another story altogether!

It is a VERY special holiday to me. And I use it as a holiday of remembrance

as well - of years past with my mom who passed away and of happier times

with family. (some of whom I cannot stand anymore!)

And it involves a sense of tradition - adn the desire to pass that on to my

children.

Katrina

KatMoody@...

wife to Jim and Mommy to Bobby and Andy

" The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; my God, my strength,

in whom I will trust; my shield and the horn of my salvation, my

stronghold. " --Psalm 18:2

>From: " The Hunny Family " Reply-To: parenting_autism To:

>Subject: Re: *sigh* Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 11:46:15

>-0600

>

>

> > (if you beleive :)_)I mean Thanksgiving is one of those holidays

>Americans > hear about from the time they are kids, in schools and at home

>-- and it's > introduces in schools with the kind of significance of like

>the fourth of > july.

>

>

>But what is the significance? What do you think about when you think about

>Thanksgiving?

>

>(really asking, not being adversarial in the least. totally curious and

>interested)

>

>Jacquie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> (if you beleive :)_)I mean Thanksgiving is one of those holidays Americans

> hear about from the time they are kids, in schools and at home -- and it's

> introduces in schools with the kind of significance of like the fourth of

> july.

But what is the significance? What do you think about when you think about

Thanksgiving?

(really asking, not being adversarial in the least. totally curious and

interested)

Jacquie

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What do *I* think about? I think about the Pilgrims and the Native Americans

sitting together, breaking bread and " giving thanks " for their feast.

Little did the Natives know.

Penny

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> (if you beleive :)_)I mean Thanksgiving is one of those holidays Americans

> hear about from the time they are kids, in schools and at home -- and it's

> introduces in schools with the kind of significance of like the fourth of

> july.

But what is the significance? What do you think about when you think about

Thanksgiving?

(really asking, not being adversarial in the least. totally curious and

interested)

Jacquie

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Could it be that we take much more pride in taking this wonderful land away

from the NATIVE Americans?

:-/

Penny

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> spoken like a true canadian ;)

>

What IS the deal there, anyway? We all know that Americans value

Thanksgiving more than Canadians do, but do have any idea why that is?

(don't insult my country in your answer. LOL)

Jacquie

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Penny wrote:

> Could it be that we take much more pride in taking this wonderful land away

> from the NATIVE Americans?

>

> :-/

> Penny

I can't help but think about this too. I wonder how Native Americans

feel about this holiday.

~ Karin

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