Re: Re: Quick Question please

[Guest guest]

Ok now I have tried to be educated, but I just don't understand???? Stevie

you are going to have to explain. Is the surgery done in St Louis like the

kind Dr in Durham does????????????????/ Or the Wentzville barometric

Center??? <A HREF= " http://www.obesesurgery.com/ " >Midwest Bariatric Center</A>

I don't know anybody in Durham and I am scared to go there alone?? Is the

doctor black??? Duh I hate to sound so stupid, but I just am and can't help

it. When you live all your life here in the hills of Missouri you just

can't figure anything out very much.

[Guest guest]

,

Dr R is one of the very few Doctors that does the Mini Gastric Bypass. Most

Drs. do the open procedure. I think there is one surgeon in Atlanta that

does the same procedue as Dr. R and maybe one other but I think that is all.

MGB is the way to go for this surgery, Sorry to those who had the open

procedure.

Deb Hertlein

[Guest guest]

,

I think Stevie was just caught off guard. I think that the question just

sort of came out of left field ya know???

Anyway, what is it about the procedure that you do not understand? I will

answer questions if you like but I know that if you posted to Dr R he would

also answer any questions. With the amount of info on the site I would go

and read each and every page and write down questions as you go. If you come

across an answer in your reading then cross it off your list and read on!

Paige

>From: Deckbound@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: Re: Quick Question please

>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:16:01 EDT

>

>Dear Stevie, I have read the material on Dr R's site but I still don't

>understand a lot about it????? It does not matter what color Dr R is. I

>was

>just asking out of curiosity?? If he can save my life I don't care if he

>is

>polka dot or green or any other color, I was simply asking if he was black?

>Period. Why are you so defensive about it??? I think it is a reasonable

>question. If no one wants to answer me then ok I'll ask him myself. I'm

>sure he is not ashamed of his color, no more than I am. I happen to be

>kind

>of pinkish redish whitish and sometimes brownish goldish and tanish,

>depending on the time of year. Now is that fascinating or what???????

>

>

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[Guest guest]

NONONONONo!

I dont't believe it was understood what you were looking for . Dr R

is the only Dr. that I know of doing this particular procedure.It is a

laproscopic instead of open,and the conections that he uses are ones he has

found to work for his patients. I am sorry you feel as if we have our backs

up I just think it ws a misunderstanding. Paige

>From: Deckbound@...

>Reply-To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>Subject: Re: Re: Quick Question please

>Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:36:59 EDT

>

>I don't even have a doctor that does this surgery here in Springfield???

>Gee

>can't I ask a question without someone getting their back all up??????

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Stevie, I have read the material on Dr R's site but I still don't

understand a lot about it????? It does not matter what color Dr R is. I was

just asking out of curiosity?? If he can save my life I don't care if he is

polka dot or green or any other color, I was simply asking if he was black?

Period. Why are you so defensive about it??? I think it is a reasonable

question. If no one wants to answer me then ok I'll ask him myself. I'm

sure he is not ashamed of his color, no more than I am. I happen to be kind

of pinkish redish whitish and sometimes brownish goldish and tanish,

depending on the time of year. Now is that fascinating or what???????

[Guest guest]

I don't even have a doctor that does this surgery here in Springfield??? Gee

can't I ask a question without someone getting their back all up??????

[Guest guest]

I guess I know when I am out numbered??? So just don't worry about it. OK??

Just relax and breathe and you'll be fine!!! Ask me anything you want,

nothing bothers me. I work at the hospital in registration and am use to

asking people personal questions. It's just part of the job. After 17 years

of it, you become numb to a lot of feelings. So many people volunteer

answers to questions that I really don't even want to hear, like, when they

had their last BM or how much money they have in the bank and I could write a

book!!!! I can see you guys are very sensitive and that is sweet. So just

say to yourself " peace " means no ill. She is just blunt and

wierd.

[Guest guest]

:

If you go and really read all of the material on Dr. R's site, you will see that

although he and a handful of others across the US are some of the first to do

Gastric Bypass surgery laproscopically, his procedure is specifically limited to

him. Although he could do what some of the others do-a " Lap-RNY " , he has found

in his many years of doing gastric surgery that the Billroth Loop is a preferred

and better surgery.

So, in answer to your question, I seriously doubt that your doctor does what he

does as I still think he's the only one doing a Loop bypass laproscopically (and

if that's changed, someone let me know!) . Your doc is probably doing the Lap

RNy (Roux-en-Y) procedure.

And out of sheer curiosity, why does it matter if a doctor is balck or not if

they can save your life? Were you asking if Dr. Rutledge is? ly, I don't

feel comfortable answering this question.

Sorry. But I don't think it should matter what color, size, shape, race,

religion or sexual prefernce a person has if they can save a life and are as

dedicated to doing that as Dr. Rutledge is.

Just my opinion.

Stevie and her wild man, Beau...

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" After all, isn't fun the best thing to have? "

-Dudley , " Arthur "

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> Ok now I have tried to be educated, but I just don't understand???? Stevie

> you are going to have to explain. Is the surgery done in St Louis like the

> kind Dr in Durham does????????????????/ Or the Wentzville barometric

> Center??? <A HREF= " http://www.obesesurgery.com/ " >Midwest Bariatric Center</A>

> I don't know anybody in Durham and I am scared to go there alone?? Is the

> doctor black??? Duh I hate to sound so stupid, but I just am and can't help

> it. When you live all your life here in the hills of Missouri you just

> can't figure anything out very much.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I think it may be because its not the kind of question you hear often in

this day and age. The thought of even asking if a doctor is African American

or Asian or Hispanic would be as offensive to a lot of people as if someone

walked up to YOU in the middle of the mall and said " how much do you weigh? "

In a nutshell....its irrelevant to who you are.

Re: Re: Quick Question please

>From: Deckbound@...

>

>I don't even have a doctor that does this surgery here in Springfield???

Gee

>can't I ask a question without someone getting their back all up??????

>

>

>>This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Paige, what you said did make sense and I am beginning to understand

better all the time. The thing that Stevie got her back up was because I

asked if Dr Rutledge was black. I shouldn't have even ask. I forget that a

few people are very touchy about that subject!!! I have a nephew that is

biracial, in fact he is black. He was adopted by my brother and his wife

when he was 2 as he had been shifted from one foster home after another. He

has grown up now to be a wonderful young man. We all love him so much, in

fact he is a favorite as he has the most delightful personality, is athletic,

makes good grades and is the best example of a human being that I have ever

seen. His biological family still try to get in touch with him but my

brother won't allow it yet. He is well adjusted and my brother doesn't want

to risk confusing him and will let him make a choice about meeting them when

he is 21. So far he has never expressed any desire to meet them, as his

other brother and sister are also adopted and are white and have decided not

to meet with their biological parents. So will probably follow suit,

as they are an extremely close knit family. My brother has written to his

biological parents and assured them that is well and happy and that is

all that matters right now. He will be going to college next fall.

[Guest guest]

Good idea Paige, I need to read and reread. I'll get it. I'm just a slow

learner!!!! Also I have literature and sites about other bypass surgery and

I have been skipping around too much and have confused myself and mixed

myself up, instead of just concentrating on one until I am completely

familiar with what one does. Thanks again.

[Guest guest]

Sounds exciting!!!! Cool.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/14/1999 7:59:18 AM Central Daylight Time,

Deckbound@... writes:

<<

Good idea Paige, I need to read and reread. I'll get it. I'm just a slow

learner!!!! Also I have literature and sites about other bypass surgery and

I have been skipping around too much and have confused myself and mixed

myself up, instead of just concentrating on one until I am completely

familiar with what one does. Thanks again. >>

No, I think it is good to learn as many as possible. Make notes. I

think that helps you really understand how the MGB, RNY, Vertical Banding

work. I know it will be assuring. Dr. R has articles about these

procedures. This will help you to know exactly what you are getting into.

Rae

[Guest guest]

Ditto !!!!! I just have to say in my opinion Dr. R is irridecent >>> you

know like a guardian angel hovering over you healing you thru an awsome

power from above. That's my opinion of what color he is. he SHINES

: )

Donna

>

>

>You go Stevie

>CB

[Guest guest]

Dr. R is white!!! Get a grip!!!!

[Guest guest]

thank you!!!! Yes I have had several people write me privately that he is

white and said not to pay any attention to Stevie that she is a trouble

maker!!!!! lol

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/14/99 3:44:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

stevie@... writes:

<< Well, I attempted tact the first three thousand times and she didn't get

it, so I'm glad we have Deb to put it uh, bluntly and ever so eloquently.

LOL!!! But again, like it really matters?

>>

Anyone who has thoroughly researched the procedure would have seen all of the

photos on the web...

J.

[Guest guest]

TACT??????????????????????? Very interesting. If that's your

interpretation of tact then good luck!!!!!! You're going to need it!!!!! Liz

[Guest guest]

I have looked at tooooooooo many different types of surgery on the net and

one of the ladies suggested to me to start over and take notes as I go and

that is exactly what I intend to do. I have gone about this all wrong and

that is why I am so mixed up and confused and upset about this whole thing.

I don't see how on earth anybody makes a decision as to where to go. In the

long run, I'll probably just have to go wherever my ins says for me to go, so

it won't even matter. So I don't know why I am trying so hard to figure out

so many things that Idon't even begin to understand. I am not a nurse or a

medical person in any form. My son in law is a physican and he won't commit

to any certain one so I don't know why I think anybody inpaticular is going

to be able to give me the answers I am looking for. Anyway I have just

scratched the surface and I am finding out there are many wt loss surgery

types out there and I may as well just slow down and take it a day at a time.

It will be clear to me when the time comes to make a final decision. I do

have that kind of faith.

[Guest guest]

What is going on in here? Do I detect a fight?

CB

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> From: Deckbound@...

> To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

> Subject: Re: Re: Quick Question please

> Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 12:16 AM

>

> From: Deckbound@...

>

> Dear Stevie, I have read the material on Dr R's site but I still don't

> understand a lot about it????? It does not matter what color Dr R is. I

was

> just asking out of curiosity?? If he can save my life I don't care if he

is

> polka dot or green or any other color, I was simply asking if he was

black?

> Period. Why are you so defensive about it??? I think it is a reasonable

> question. If no one wants to answer me then ok I'll ask him myself. I'm

> sure he is not ashamed of his color, no more than I am. I happen to be

kind

> of pinkish redish whitish and sometimes brownish goldish and tanish,

> depending on the time of year. Now is that fascinating or what???????

>

>

> > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com

[Guest guest]

You go Stevie

CB

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>

> To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

> Subject: Re: Re: Quick Question please

> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:07 PM

>

> From: stevie@... (Stevie)

>

> :

> If you go and really read all of the material on Dr. R's site, you will

see that

> although he and a handful of others across the US are some of the first

to do

> Gastric Bypass surgery laproscopically, his procedure is specifically

limited to

> him. Although he could do what some of the others do-a " Lap-RNY " , he has

found

> in his many years of doing gastric surgery that the Billroth Loop is a

preferred

> and better surgery.

> So, in answer to your question, I seriously doubt that your doctor does

what he

> does as I still think he's the only one doing a Loop bypass

laproscopically (and

> if that's changed, someone let me know!) . Your doc is probably doing the

Lap

> RNy (Roux-en-Y) procedure.

>

> And out of sheer curiosity, why does it matter if a doctor is balck or

not if

> they can save your life? Were you asking if Dr. Rutledge is? ly, I

don't

> feel comfortable answering this question.

> Sorry. But I don't think it should matter what color, size, shape, race,

> religion or sexual prefernce a person has if they can save a life and are

as

> dedicated to doing that as Dr. Rutledge is.

> Just my opinion.

>

>

> Stevie and her wild man, Beau...

> ___ | |

> / Z @--o | |

> / _/ | |

> / \ / / ___| |__

> / * \ / ) / () ()\

> /__/ \____/______|______________/------------------------->

> \ /

> \

>

> ~~~~~~~~~ ` ~~~~~~ ` ~~~ ` ~~~ ~ ~ ` ~~~ ` ~~~~~

>

> " After all, isn't fun the best thing to have? "

> -Dudley , " Arthur "

> -- Begin original message --

>

>

> > Ok now I have tried to be educated, but I just don't understand????

Stevie

> > you are going to have to explain. Is the surgery done in St Louis like

the

> > kind Dr in Durham does????????????????/ Or the Wentzville barometric

> > Center??? <A HREF= " http://www.obesesurgery.com/ " >Midwest Bariatric

Center</A>

> > I don't know anybody in Durham and I am scared to go there alone?? Is

the

> > doctor black??? Duh I hate to sound so stupid, but I just am and

can't help

> > it. When you live all your life here in the hills of Missouri you

just

> > can't figure anything out very much.

> >

> > ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

LOLOLOLOL That's what I was thinking!!! Well said!!

Re: Re: Quick Question please

>From: Manyirises@...

>

>In a message dated 10/14/99 3:44:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>stevie@... writes:

>

><< Well, I attempted tact the first three thousand times and she didn't get

> it, so I'm glad we have Deb to put it uh, bluntly and ever so eloquently.

> LOL!!! But again, like it really matters?

> >>

>Anyone who has thoroughly researched the procedure would have seen all of

the

>photos on the web...

>J.

>

>>This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass List at Onelist.com

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I attempted tact the first three thousand times and she didn't get

it, so I'm glad we have Deb to put it uh, bluntly and ever so eloquently.

LOL!!! But again, like it really matters?

> From: Deeba123@...

> Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:38:26 EDT

> Subject: Re: Re: Quick Question please

> To: MiniGastricBypassonelist

> Reply-to: MiniGastricBypassonelist

>

> From: Deeba123@...

>

> Dr. R is white!!! Get a grip!!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really did not want to respond to any of this " mess " I have been reading

but.....

Both Stevie and have excellent points. Maybe could have

phrased her question a little differently but just because she asked " the

question " doesn't mean she had any judgemental thoughts. Some people just

ask out of plain old curiosity. I wondered the same thing myself, not that

it made any difference, I was just curious. Just like wondering if a person

you are going to meet is tall, short, thin, fat, etc. No particular reason,

just curious about the person you are going to meet. No one wants a person

to be judged based on color, weight, etc. but lets not be judgemental just

because a person chooses to ask a question. We don't know what that persons

reasons are for asking so why judge her? If we are going to be supportive

and nonjudgemental then it should go for all aspects.

Everyone here has always been so wonderful to me and other people. This

flaming is so hurtful and discouraging. We are supposed to be open and be

able to discuss anything. Just my .02 worth. If this offends anyone, I

apologize in advance and if someone feels the need to flame me for it then

please do it privately so as not to discourage anyone else, especially the

newbies.

in AL

[Guest guest]

You know DECKBOUND I have been on this list for at least 4 months before I

ever saw your post . Several months I was here in silence just trying to

gather information so I could make an intellegent decision on the MGB> The

few times I got the nerve to express myself or to ask a question Stevie was

always the one who seemed to listen and give me the most info. Me someone

she had never met until clinic one Sat. There has NEVER and I mean NEVER

been the type of conversation on this list that sounds so very hostile until

your name appeared. It seems this is the kind of negative input that would

scare most people off this list. I for one don't appreciate it, and I don't

like seeing someone kind and helpful like Stevie bashed this way. Just

wanted my opinion heard.

I hope Dr. R doesn't waste his time having to read anymore of this

junk,cause I know he reads our posts too. Donna

>