HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

June 7, 2002

THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY

YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

--

GINA

--

June 7, 2002

Hi ,

I remember reading your post but unfortunately I deleted it. Is your son

just starting the diet? How old is he? Dillon had a rough beginning.

It really takes 1 to 2 months for the kids to adjust to the ridged

schedule. Dillon had some really crazy days included wolfing down 4

frozen waffles in his brother's closet! One thing that can cause

increased hunger is if they are still on the same amount of meds. In

deep ketosis Dillon was still starving even though the dr. had said he

shouldn't be because ketosis is a natural appetite suppressant. Try

telling that to Dillon! Turns out the diet caused his Phenobarbital and

depakote levels to increase. Once we dropped the Phenobarbital and part

of the depakote it really helped with the hunger so I would have his

levels checked to see if his levels have increased since starting the

diet. The other thing we did was start a star chart. A star a day for

no cheating and/or begging. Make it really simple at first. 2 days=big

reward (toy store, movie etc..) After a couple weeks we made it 3 then 5

day stars = reward. We showed the chart to Everybody who would look at

it and make a big deal about it. Another thing was to hide all snacks in

containers and put them up. We also got fridge locks. Diet chocolate

soda also helped and we let him drink as much as he wanted. In the

beginning it takes a lot of redirecting and entertaining, going on

outings outside the house. I hope some of these ideas help you. It is

hell in the beginning but the good news is it gets easier and easier.

Dillon came off his star chart on his own...just lost interest. I am

perfectly comfortable leaving him to play downstairs and I don't have to

worry about him cheating. I cheat more then he does now (An extra dab

of butter, one more little piece of bacon). Hang in there. Ariane

(Dillon,6, 11 months ketokid, half the meds, seizure free)

June 7, 2002

, this won't help you at this minute. But if you have pure liquid

Stevia, and some other no-carb flavorings (lemon, orange) you can always

make a slushy with frozen ice put in the blender or food processor. It

takes a lot of work to eat and seems to satisfy oral cravings. We use the

orange and grape Stevita (which is a keto kool-aide) which we order on-line

from Carbsmart. At times when my son is really starved, I give him two

macademia nuts (two a day are free) wrapped in iceberg lettuce. Another

time, --- just in an emergency -- I made chocolate eggnog with heavy cream,

unsweetened chocolate, stevia, vanilla and eggs, cooked to a custard (in his

ratio), then frozen -- and gave him a few bites. Others might disagree, but

in the beginning, he did just seem to be plain starving. Now there's much

less begging unless there's some visual stimuls -- like someone else's

chocolate cake or pizza -- in which case I sometimes buy him small toys

(like biochenicals) to keep him busy.

We've only been on the diet five weeks, but in the last two, there's been a

noticeable improvement in the hunger factor. Hang on there! IF you don't

have sweetener or keto-friendly flavoring yet -- just crush him some ice and

pour diet soda over it!

Best, Jane

HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY

YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

--

GINA

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June 7, 2002

How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like often

they start kids out on three meals/day and it's just

not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5 meals

(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I think

that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option or

if you need some help with calculating.--D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME

> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT.

> WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

__________________________________________________

June 7, 2002

yes he started on monday. he is 6 but his mental state is that of a 43 to 4 year

old. thanks for the ideas and the hope that is does get easier. his meds are

lamictal 50mg and 100mg and topamax 25mg and 25 mg thats morning and night.

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: jaaxt@...

Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:41:17 -0400

><html><body>

>

><tt>

>Hi ,

>I remember reading your post but unfortunately I deleted it. Is your son

>just starting the diet? How old is he? Dillon had a rough beginning.

>It really takes 1 to 2 months for the kids to adjust to the ridged

>schedule. Dillon had some really crazy days included wolfing down 4

>frozen waffles in his brother's closet! One thing that can cause

>increased hunger is if they are still on the same amount of meds. In

>deep ketosis Dillon was still starving even though the dr. had said he

>shouldn't be because ketosis is a natural appetite suppressant. Try

>telling that to Dillon! Turns out the diet caused his Phenobarbital and

>depakote levels to increase. Once we dropped the Phenobarbital and part

>of the depakote it really helped with the hunger so I would have his

>levels checked to see if his levels have increased since starting the

>diet. The other thing we did was start a star chart. A star a day for

>no cheating and/or begging. Make it really simple at first. 2 days=big

>reward (toy store, movie etc..) After a couple weeks we made it 3 then 5

>day stars = reward. We showed the chart to Everybody who would look at

>it and make a big deal about it. Another thing was to hide all snacks in

>containers and put them up. We also got fridge locks. Diet chocolate

>soda also helped and we let him drink as much as he wanted. In the

>beginning it takes a lot of redirecting and entertaining, going on

>outings outside the house. I hope some of these ideas help you. It is

>hell in the beginning but the good news is it gets easier and easier.

>Dillon came off his star chart on his own...just lost interest. I am

>perfectly comfortable leaving him to play downstairs and I don't have to

>worry about him cheating. I cheat more then he does now (An extra dab

>of butter, one more little piece of bacon). Hang in there. Ariane

>(Dillon,6, 11 months ketokid, half the meds, seizure free)

></tt>

>

>

><tt>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a professional keto

team!

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June 7, 2002

thank you for the info . what about crystal light and crushed ice? would that

make a good slushy. and if he had a lot would it afect his fluid intake?

----- HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

CONSTINLY

>YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

>resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

professional

>keto team!

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June 7, 2002

i am so new to this. i would need help recalculatig. he is on 3 meals a day,

but its so little how would you split it up?

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Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

><html><body>

>

><tt>

>How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like often

>they start kids out on three meals/day and it's just

>not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5 meals

>(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I think

>that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option or

>if you need some help with calculating.--D

>

>--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME

>> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT.

>> WHAT DO I DO.

>>

>> --

>> GINA

>> --

>>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

June 7, 2002

PS My son is also on four meals a day. It does really help. Three is

simply not enough.

HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

CONSTINLY

>YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a

last

>resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

professional

>keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

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>

June 7, 2002

I've never used Crystal Light, but if your dietician/the Freeman book says

its OK, I'm sure it is. You should measure the slushy the same way you'd

measure his water and substitute the slushy for the water. By the way, you

can also use unsweetened cocoa, heavy cream, and sweetener to make a slushy.

I consider up to a tablespoon of unsweetened cocoa a day a " free food " and

you only need about a half a tsp of cocoa to make it taste chocolate. For

my son's cream allotment, I freeze it with sweetener, cocoa, vanilla, and

however much oil I have to " bury " , freeze it and whip it. If you want to

stretch it, puree in some of the water allotment in crushed ice.

When my son has a hot dog -- I stretch a minimal amount of ketchup (you have

to figure it in) with some mayonnaise and serve with a bunch of iceberg

lettuce. My son never ate a bit of lettuce before the diet (or much of any

other green vegetable) but now he eats pizza made with a deep-fried eggplant

crust and keto french fries (eggplant also) and loves it! Small wonders

never cease!

PS> My son just turned 7 last weekend, and before the diet his favorite

foods were hot dogs, mac and cheese, french friesand pizza -- despite the

relatively healthy diet we were constantly trying to foist on him. I

HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

CONSTINLY

>YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a

last

>resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

professional

>keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

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>

June 7, 2002

Well, I'd do at least four meals a day, so the

calories would be split four ways, rather than three.

What I do for is calculate four meals for her and

split one of the in half, so she gets breakfast, a

morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack, dinner and

then usually macademia nuts right before she goes to

bed. Yes, it does make the meals themselves smaller

-- so it doesn't help with that -- but it does allow

you to offer food more often. He's very small, right

-- one thing that really helps for is that she

gets a lettuce salad with lunch and dinner that helps

fill her up and give her some crunch. I also use only

fruits and vegies that I can use quite a bit of --

strawberries, cantaloupe, zucchini, celery, carrots

(not as many of those) to try to give her as much to

physically eat as possible. Do you have the meal

planner -- it's a huge help -- there's no way I could

do the diet without it.--D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>

> i am so new to this. i would need help

> recalculatig. he is on 3 meals a day, but its so

> little how would you split it up?

> ---------- Original

> Message ----------------------------------

>

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

>

> ><html><body>

> >

> ><tt>

> >How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like

> often

> >they start kids out on three meals/day and it's

> just

> >not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5

> meals

> >(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I

> think

> >that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option

> or

> >if you need some help with calculating.--D

> >

> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> >> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED

> SOME

> >> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO

> EAT.

> >> WHAT DO I DO.

> >>

> >> --

> >> GINA

> >> --

> >>

> >

>

>__________________________________________________

> >

June 7, 2002

this diet is so confusing. am i just not giving him enough? ----------

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Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:53:06 -0400

><html><body>

>

><tt>

>I've never used Crystal Light, but if your dietician/the Freeman book says

>its OK, I'm sure it is. You should measure the slushy the same way you'd

>measure his water and substitute the slushy for the water. By the way, you

>can also use unsweetened cocoa, heavy cream, and sweetener to make a

slushy.

>I consider up to a tablespoon of unsweetened cocoa a day a " free food " and

>you only need about a half a tsp of cocoa to make it taste chocolate. For

>my son's cream allotment, I freeze it with sweetener, cocoa, vanilla, and

>however much oil I have to " bury " , freeze it and whip it. If you want to

>stretch it, puree in some of the water allotment in crushed ice.

>

>When my son has a hot dog -- I stretch a minimal amount of ketchup (you

have

>to figure it in) with some mayonnaise and serve with a bunch of iceberg

>lettuce. My son never ate a bit of lettuce before the diet (or much of any

>other green vegetable) but now he eats pizza made with a deep-fried

eggplant

>crust and keto french fries (eggplant also) and loves it! Small wonders

>never cease!

>

>PS> My son just turned 7 last weekend, and before the diet his favorite

>foods were hot dogs, mac and cheese, french friesand pizza -- despite the

>relatively healthy diet we were constantly trying to foist on him. I

> HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

>CONSTINLY

> >YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

> >

> > --

> > GINA

> > --

> >

> > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a

>last

> >resort! "

> >

> > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > It is important to get medical advice from a

>professional

> >keto team!

> > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > Unsubscribe:

ketogenic-unsubscribe

> >

> >

June 7, 2002

How do you calculate 4 meals a day on such little?----- HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

>CONSTINLY

> >YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

> >

> > --

> > GINA

> > --

> >

> > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a

>last

> >resort! "

> >

> > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > It is important to get medical advice from a

>professional

> >keto team!

> > Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> > Unsubscribe:

ketogenic-unsubscribe

> >

> >

June 7, 2002

im not sure if i have a meal planner if not where do i get one? im going to go

look now and see if i have that. ---------- Original Message

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Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:54:31 -0700 (PDT)

>Well, I'd do at least four meals a day, so the

>calories would be split four ways, rather than three.

>What I do for is calculate four meals for her and

>split one of the in half, so she gets breakfast, a

>morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack, dinner and

>then usually macademia nuts right before she goes to

>bed. Yes, it does make the meals themselves smaller

>-- so it doesn't help with that -- but it does allow

>you to offer food more often. He's very small, right

>-- one thing that really helps for is that she

>gets a lettuce salad with lunch and dinner that helps

>fill her up and give her some crunch. I also use only

>fruits and vegies that I can use quite a bit of --

>strawberries, cantaloupe, zucchini, celery, carrots

>(not as many of those) to try to give her as much to

>physically eat as possible. Do you have the meal

>planner -- it's a huge help -- there's no way I could

>do the diet without it.--D

>

>--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>>

>> i am so new to this. i would need help

>> recalculatig. he is on 3 meals a day, but its so

>> little how would you split it up?

>> ---------- Original

>> Message ----------------------------------

>>

>> Reply-To: ketogenic

>> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> ><html><body>

>> >

>> ><tt>

>> >How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like

>> often

>> >they start kids out on three meals/day and it's

>> just

>> >not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5

>> meals

>> >(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I

>> think

>> >that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option

>> or

>> >if you need some help with calculating.--D

>> >

>> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>> >> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED

>> SOME

>> >> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO

>> EAT.

>> >> WHAT DO I DO.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> GINA

>> >> --

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>__________________________________________________

>> >

June 7, 2002

My son is 58 lbs and has 4 meals. Each meal is 463 calories. His ratio is

3:1. What is your son's calorie count per day?

HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

>CONSTINLY

> >YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

> >

> > --

> > GINA

> > --

> >

> > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just

a

>last

> >resort! "

> >

> > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > It is important to get medical advice from a

>professional

> >keto team!

> > Subscribe:

ketogenic-subscribe

> > Unsubscribe:

ketogenic-unsubscribe

> >

> >

June 7, 2002

Regina -- Go to www.ketogenic.org. Near the bottom,

there's a link that should take you to the Stanford

meal planner. You can download it for free, but you

need to have Microsoft Excel to run it. You'll

probably need a little help getting started, but once

you're up and running, you'll find that it's really

very easy.

I know the diet seems very overwhelming right now --

but trust me, you can figure it out and get into the

groove with what your son needs. It's sounding to me

like perhaps your dietician is not that helpful? Mine

isn't really either -- nice enough, but only works 3

days/week and doesn't know much about fine tuning.-D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>

> im not sure if i have a meal planner if not where do

> i get one? im going to go look now and see if i have

> that. ---------- Original Message

> ----------------------------------

>

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:54:31 -0700 (PDT)

>

> >Well, I'd do at least four meals a day, so the

> >calories would be split four ways, rather than

> three.

> >What I do for is calculate four meals for her

> and

> >split one of the in half, so she gets breakfast, a

> >morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack, dinner

> and

> >then usually macademia nuts right before she goes

> to

> >bed. Yes, it does make the meals themselves

> smaller

> >-- so it doesn't help with that -- but it does

> allow

> >you to offer food more often. He's very small,

> right

> >-- one thing that really helps for is that she

> >gets a lettuce salad with lunch and dinner that

> helps

> >fill her up and give her some crunch. I also use

> only

> >fruits and vegies that I can use quite a bit of --

> >strawberries, cantaloupe, zucchini, celery, carrots

> >(not as many of those) to try to give her as much

> to

> >physically eat as possible. Do you have the meal

> >planner -- it's a huge help -- there's no way I

> could

> >do the diet without it.--D

> >

> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> >>

> >> i am so new to this. i would need help

> >> recalculatig. he is on 3 meals a day, but its so

> >> little how would you split it up?

> >> ---------- Original

> >> Message ----------------------------------

> >>

> >> Reply-To: ketogenic

> >> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

> >>

> >> ><html><body>

> >> >

> >> ><tt>

> >> >How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like

> >> often

> >> >they start kids out on three meals/day and it's

> >> just

> >> >not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5

> >> meals

> >> >(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I

> >> think

> >> >that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an

> option

> >> or

> >> >if you need some help with calculating.--D

> >> >

> >> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> >> >> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I

> NEED

> >> SOME

> >> >> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO

> >> EAT.

> >> >> WHAT DO I DO.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> GINA

> >> >> --

> >> >>

> >> >

> >>

>

>>__________________________________________________

> >> >

June 7, 2002

Isn't lettuce a free food? could you make a salad with a tiny bit of olive oil

and vinegar on it?

Re: HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im not sure if i have a meal planner if not where do i get one? im going to go

look now and see if i have that. ---------- Original Message

----------------------------------

Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:54:31 -0700 (PDT)

>Well, I'd do at least four meals a day, so the

>calories would be split four ways, rather than three.

>What I do for is calculate four meals for her and

>split one of the in half, so she gets breakfast, a

>morning snack, lunch, an afternoon snack, dinner and

>then usually macademia nuts right before she goes to

>bed. Yes, it does make the meals themselves smaller

>-- so it doesn't help with that -- but it does allow

>you to offer food more often. He's very small, right

>-- one thing that really helps for is that she

>gets a lettuce salad with lunch and dinner that helps

>fill her up and give her some crunch. I also use only

>fruits and vegies that I can use quite a bit of --

>strawberries, cantaloupe, zucchini, celery, carrots

>(not as many of those) to try to give her as much to

>physically eat as possible. Do you have the meal

>planner -- it's a huge help -- there's no way I could

>do the diet without it.--D

>

>--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>>

>> i am so new to this. i would need help

>> recalculatig. he is on 3 meals a day, but its so

>> little how would you split it up?

>> ---------- Original

>> Message ----------------------------------

>>

>> Reply-To: ketogenic

>> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:10:44 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> ><html><body>

>> >

>> ><tt>

>> >How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like

>> often

>> >they start kids out on three meals/day and it's

>> just

>> >not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5

>> meals

>> >(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I

>> think

>> >that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option

>> or

>> >if you need some help with calculating.--D

>> >

>> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>> >> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED

>> SOME

>> >> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO

>> EAT.

>> >> WHAT DO I DO.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> GINA

>> >> --

>> >>

>> >

>>

>>__________________________________________________

>> >

June 7, 2002

My son did this too. You have to be strong. I know it is hard. Our

diet is a bit different so we were able to give Mike some " freebies "

altho they were still given with meals.

Does he eat jello? You can give this as a " freebie " . And you can make

popsicles with sugar free koolaid for him between meals. You might also

want to go to giving him more smaller meals during the day so it feels

to him like he is eating more.

Hope some of this helps.

hang in there

Jenn

Regina Lamb wrote:

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

> CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

> " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just a last

> resort! "

>

> List is for parent to parent support only.

> It is important to get medical advice from a

> professional keto team!

> Subscribe: ketogenic-subscribe

> Unsubscribe: ketogenic-unsubscribe

>

June 7, 2002

Try doing an eggnog meal and splitting that in half but, add extra water and

some sweetener and flavoring and put over crushed ice. Let him sip on it and

chew the ice every two hours. Eggnog is filling.

Re: HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many meals/day is he getting? It seems like often

they start kids out on three meals/day and it's just

not enough. Can you recalculate to do 4 or 5 meals

(or 4 meals with one split into 2 snacks)? I think

that helps a lot. Let me know if this is an option or

if you need some help with calculating.--D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME

> HELP. HE IS CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT.

> WHAT DO I DO.

>

> --

> GINA

> --

>

__________________________________________________

June 8, 2002

Thank you ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: heppner1@...

Reply-To: ketogenic

Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:59:50 -0500

><html><body>

>

><tt>

>My son did this too. You have to be strong. I know it is hard. Our

>diet is a bit different so we were able to give Mike some " freebies "

>altho they were still given with meals.

>

>Does he eat jello? You can give this as a " freebie " . And you can make

>popsicles with sugar free koolaid for him between meals. You might also

>want to go to giving him more smaller meals during the day so it feels

>to him like he is eating more.

>

>Hope some of this helps.

>

>hang in there

>

>Jenn

>

>Regina Lamb wrote:

>

>> THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE IS

>> CONSTINLY YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

>>

>> --

>> GINA

>> --

>>

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June 8, 2002

per meal his calorie count is 400 per 24 hours is 1224 and his fluid limmint per

24 hrs is 1100. ratio 4:1 ----- HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > >

> > > THIS IS GINA AGAIN (AT HOME HELP) PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP. HE

IS

> >CONSTINLY

> > >YELLING FOR SOMETHING TO EAT. WHAT DO I DO.

> > >

> > > --

> > > GINA

> > > --

> > >

> > > " The Ketogenic Diet....a realistic treatment option, NOT just

>a

> >last

> > >resort! "

> > >

> > > List is for parent to parent support only.

> > > It is important to get medical advice from a

> >professional

> > >keto team!

> > > Subscribe:

>ketogenic-subscribe

> > > Unsubscribe:

>ketogenic-unsubscribe

> > >

> > >

June 8, 2002

-- I know this seems horribly small -- but

is 7 and on 1100 calories with about 284 per four

meals a day (of course the 3.2 ratio does make a

difference). We don't have a fluid restriction.--D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>

> per meal his calorie count is 400 per 24 hours is

> 1224 and his fluid limmint per 24 hrs is 1100. ratio

> 4:1

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June 8, 2002

why would some kids have a fluid restriction and some dont? G---------- Original

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Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT)

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> -- I know this seems horribly small -- but

>is 7 and on 1100 calories with about 284 per four

>meals a day (of course the 3.2 ratio does make a

>difference). We don't have a fluid restriction.--D

>

>--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>>

>> per meal his calorie count is 400 per 24 hours is

>> 1224 and his fluid limmint per 24 hrs is 1100. ratio

>> 4:1

>

>__________________________________________________

>

June 8, 2002

I think it depends on the dietician and also where the child is - for

example restricting fluids in arizona or florida might not be

practical. We have a fluid restriction too - I dont have any problems

with it tho as we are still trying to reach it (Mike loves water but he

just isnt thirsty on the diet)

Jenn

Regina Lamb wrote:

>

> why would some kids have a fluid restriction and some dont?

> G---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

>

> Reply-To: ketogenic

> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 07:22:15 -0700 (PDT)

>

> ><html><body>

> >

> ><tt>

> > -- I know this seems horribly small -- but

> >is 7 and on 1100 calories with about 284 per four

> >meals a day (of course the 3.2 ratio does make a

> >difference). We don't have a fluid restriction.--D

> >

> >--- Regina Lamb wrote:

> >>

> >> per meal his calorie count is 400 per 24 hours is

> >> 1224 and his fluid limmint per 24 hrs is 1100. ratio

> >> 4:1

> >

> >__________________________________________________

> >

June 8, 2002

Well, first of all, you have to understand that we

live in Arizona, so it would actually be dangerous to

restrict fluids for anyone here in the desert.

But, when we began the diet, my neuro kept quoting an

article, " Myths of the Ketogenic Diet " (he never did

get me a copy). Anyway, he said one myth was that

fluids need to be restricted and that another myth was

that you needed to fast. I take everything he says

with a grain of salt. . . but those were two of my

criteria for beginning the diet. . . no fluid

restriction and no fast. We've never had a problem

with her drinking too much -- but I know others on the

list feel they have seen a correlation.--D

--- Regina Lamb wrote:

>

> why would some kids have a fluid restriction and

> some dont?

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