Difficulty confirming side effects of gluten/casein withdrawal (offtopic for mercury list)

[Guest guest]

Ten days ago I went on the GF/CF diet. I know this isn't exactly the best

venue for this but there are some very knowledgeable medical/chemist people

on this list and I would really like it if you could confirm this or tell me

where I'm off.

I looked everywhere I could think of about withdrawal symptoms when starting

the GF/CF diet and while I found many references to how intense and

uncomfortable it can be, there was no laundry list that I could find. What I

did find was numerous references to the endogenous opiods that the

susceptible autistic kids (and I would assume the susceptible adults too)

make, casomorphon (sp?) and Glutomorphone or gliomorphone (also spelling?)

and how taking away those substances caused " withdrawal reactions " .

So since I couldn't find the laundry list of symptoms, I tried a different

tack. If these endogenous morphines are like opiates, then wouldn't opiate

withdrawal and gluten/casein withdrawal be very similar?

I suspect I am on the right track and just as an aside, I have all of the

symptoms listed, even including increased B/P and pulse. Most people don't

know what their baseline vital signs are but I'm a nurse, interested in my

personal physical health, so I do. I usually run low, 100/50 to even lower,

pulse is usually in the 60s (long term runner and exerciser). Last evening

my blood pressure was 134/90 and it was 120/84 this AM and my pulse is

staying in the 90s. No, I'm not about to stroke out, but these are

substantially changed numbers for me. The anorexia, nausea, stomach cramps,

dumping syndrome and irritability along with the exacerbation of my ADD

(massively, yuck!) and the frequent hot and cold sweats are all getting very

annoying. They aren't getting worse but neither are they getting better yet.

The GF/CF list suggested that I have some other sensitivity to some other

food. Maybe, but my gut feel is these are just standard opiate withdrawal

symptoms, complements of starting the GF/CF diet.

What do you guys think?

Terri

ps I have made sure that all sources of gluten and casein are gone.

Obsessively.

[Guest guest]

Terri,

Your withdrawal sounds very similiar to my son. My son was 3 when I

started the diet. He was vomiting, got an ear infection. He seemed

hungover in a big way. I was very nervous, my husbands response was,

" What are you doing to the kid, you need to stop. " I think I gave

hem a little bit of oatmeal to ease the pain. I think the episode

lasted 3 weeks and then he started to progress in doing puzzles and

play skills. I remeber trying to find any information on such a bad

withdrawal but there was not any. I think much of it is yeast die-

off as well.

nne

> Ten days ago I went on the GF/CF diet. I know this isn't exactly

the best

> venue for this but there are some very knowledgeable

medical/chemist people

> on this list and I would really like it if you could confirm this

or tell me

> where I'm off.

>

> I looked everywhere I could think of about withdrawal symptoms when

starting

> the GF/CF diet and while I found many references to how intense and

> uncomfortable it can be, there was no laundry list that I could

find. What I

> did find was numerous references to the endogenous opiods that the

> susceptible autistic kids (and I would assume the susceptible

adults too)

> make, casomorphon (sp?) and Glutomorphone or gliomorphone (also

spelling?)

> and how taking away those substances caused " withdrawal reactions " .

>

> So since I couldn't find the laundry list of symptoms, I tried a

different

> tack. If these endogenous morphines are like opiates, then wouldn't

opiate

> withdrawal and gluten/casein withdrawal be very similar?

>

> I suspect I am on the right track and just as an aside, I have all

of the

> symptoms listed, even including increased B/P and pulse. Most

people don't

> know what their baseline vital signs are but I'm a nurse,

interested in my

> personal physical health, so I do. I usually run low, 100/50 to

even lower,

> pulse is usually in the 60s (long term runner and exerciser). Last

evening

> my blood pressure was 134/90 and it was 120/84 this AM and my pulse

is

> staying in the 90s. No, I'm not about to stroke out, but these are

> substantially changed numbers for me. The anorexia, nausea, stomach

cramps,

> dumping syndrome and irritability along with the exacerbation of my

ADD

> (massively, yuck!) and the frequent hot and cold sweats are all

getting very

> annoying. They aren't getting worse but neither are they getting

better yet.

>

> The GF/CF list suggested that I have some other sensitivity to some

other

> food. Maybe, but my gut feel is these are just standard opiate

withdrawal

> symptoms, complements of starting the GF/CF diet.

>

> What do you guys think?

>

> Terri

>

> ps I have made sure that all sources of gluten and casein are gone.

> Obsessively.