Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 That's is so sad what happenned to this family. I always thought medical equipment in the plane worked....that's why it's called a medical emergency when you need urgent care in plane and equipment should be working.... Why the heck did the nurse refuse to give her oxygen. Then trying to give her oxygen of an empty tank d'uh....what were you thinking It's not like she was going administer IV meds. ---- Original Message ---- To: Breathe-Support Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18 am Subject: Perils of flight This is not meant to scare or deter but just to remind everyone who is going to fly to make sure they are double and triple covered on their oxygen requirements. Same as cruising. Do not assume anything can be depended on. The oxygen issues here may not have led to the death, but just as those have arrived on cruises and not gotten the promised service, here, the life saving oxygen wasn't available for a passenger. Passenger dies on American Airlines flight 07:40 AM CST on Monday, February 25, 2008 Associated Press NEW YORK – An American Airlines passenger returning home from Haiti collapsed and died after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen and then tried to help her with an empty oxygen tank, a relative said. American Airlines confirmed the flight death and said medical professionals had tried to save the passenger, Carine Desir. Desir, who had heart disease, died of natural causes, medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said Sunday. Desir had complained of not feeling well and being very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince after she ate a meal, according to Oliver, a cousin who was traveling with her and her brother Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said. A few minutes later, Desir said she was having "trouble breathing" and asked for oxygen, but a flight attendant twice refused her request, Oliver said Sunday in a telephone interview. After the flight attendant refused to administer oxygen to Desir, she became distressed, pleading, "Don't let me die," Oliver recalled. He said other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated over the situation, and the flight attendant, apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit, tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty. Oliver said two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also was empty. Desir, of Brooklyn, was placed on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, but to no avail, Oliver said. A "box," possibly a defibrillator, also was applied but didn't function effectively, he said. "I cannot believe what is happening on the plane," he said, sobbing. "She cannot get up, and nothing on the plane works." Oliver said he then asked for the plane to "land right away so I can get her to a hospital," and the pilot agreed to divert to Miami, 45 minutes away. But during that time Desir collapsed and died, Oliver said. "Her last words were, 'I cannot breathe,"' he said. Desir, 44, was pronounced dead by one of the doctors, Shulkin, and the flight continued to F. Kennedy International Airport, without stopping in Miami, with the woman's body moved to the floor of the first-class section and covered with a blanket, Oliver said. American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon wouldn't comment Sunday on Oliver's claims of faulty medical equipment on the plane. Shulkin, through his attorney, Nadeau, declined to comment on the incident out of respect for Desir's family. American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. based in Fort Worth, Texas, is the largest domestic airline. Meet the new AOL.ca. Free radio, music, videos, news & entertainment – with a Canadian perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 You thought emergency rooms handled emergencies too. Lack of training, sloppiness, inattention to detail, failure to treat situations as serious on the chance they might be, lack of quality control. Apply those pretty much to all industries today as customer service disappears. It's just some are more life threatening than others. On same front page is story of motorcycle officer killed and the slow response probably did not affect him, but might someone else. There was a 5 minute delay between the time the emergency dispatchers knew about the crash and them telling the paramedics to go to the scene. > > That's is so sad what happenned to this family. > > I always thought medical equipment in the plane worked....that's why it's called a medical emergency when you need urgent care in plane and equipment should be working.... > > Why the heck did the nurse refuse to give her oxygen. Then trying to give her oxygen of an empty tank d'uh....what were you thinking > > It's not like she was going administer IV meds. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Bruce Moreland brucemoreland@... > To: Breathe-Support > Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18 am > Subject: Perils of flight > > > > > > > > > This is not meant to scare or deter but just to remind everyone who is going to fly to make sure they are double and triple covered on their oxygen requirements. Same as cruising. Do not assume anything can be depended on. The oxygen issues here may not have led to the death, but just as those have arrived on cruises and not gotten the promised service, here, the life saving oxygen wasn't available for a passenger. > > Passenger dies on American Airlines flight > > > > 07:40 AM CST on Monday, February 25, 2008 > > > Associated Press > > > NEW YORK †" An American Airlines passenger returning home from Haiti collapsed and died after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen and then tried to help her with an empty oxygen tank, a relative said. > > American Airlines confirmed the flight death and said medical professionals had tried to save the passenger, Carine Desir. > > Desir, who had heart disease, died of natural causes, medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said Sunday. > > Desir had complained of not feeling well and being very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince after she ate a meal, according to Oliver, a cousin who was traveling with her and her brother Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said. > > A few minutes later, Desir said she was having " trouble breathing " and asked for oxygen, but a flight attendant twice refused her request, Oliver said Sunday in a telephone interview. > > After the flight attendant refused to administer oxygen to Desir, she became distressed, pleading, " Don't let me die, " Oliver recalled. > > He said other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated over the situation, and the flight attendant, apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit, tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty. > > Oliver said two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also was empty. > > Desir, of Brooklyn, was placed on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, but to no avail, Oliver said. A " box, " possibly a defibrillator, also was applied but didn't function effectively, he said. > > " I cannot believe what is happening on the plane, " he said, sobbing. " She cannot get up, and nothing on the plane works. " > > Oliver said he then asked for the plane to " land right away so I can get her to a hospital, " and the pilot agreed to divert to Miami, 45 minutes away. But during that time Desir collapsed and died, Oliver said. > > " Her last words were, 'I cannot breathe, " ' he said. > > Desir, 44, was pronounced dead by one of the doctors, Shulkin, and the flight continued to F. Kennedy International Airport, without stopping in Miami, with the woman's body moved to the floor of the first-class section and covered with a blanket, Oliver said. > > American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon wouldn't comment Sunday on Oliver's claims of faulty medical equipment on the plane. > > Shulkin, through his attorney, Nadeau, declined to comment on the incident out of respect for Desir's family. > > American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. based in Fort Worth, Texas, is the largest domestic airline. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Meet the new AOL.ca. Free radio, music, videos, news & entertainment †" with a Canadian perspective. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 absolutely correct. only if there was a way for us to change things, mistakes like that shouldn't happen in the first place ---- Original Message ---- To: Breathe-Support Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:45 am Subject: Re: Perils of flight You thought emergency rooms handled emergencies too. Lack of training, sloppiness, inattention to detail, failure to treat situations as serious on the chance they might be, lack of quality control. Apply those pretty much to all industries today as customer service disappears. It's just some are more life threatening than others. On same front page is story of motorcycle officer killed and the slow response probably did not affect him, but might someone else. There was a 5 minute delay between the time the emergency dispatchers knew about the crash and them telling the paramedics to go to the scene. > > That's is so sad what happenned to this family. > > I always thought medical equipment in the plane worked....that's why it's called a medical emergency when you need urgent care in plane and equipment should be working.... > > Why the heck did the nurse refuse to give her oxygen. Then trying to give her oxygen of an empty tank d'uh....what were you thinking > > It's not like she was going administer IV meds. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Bruce Moreland brucemoreland@... > To: Breathe-Support > Sent: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 10:18 am > Subject: Perils of flight > > > > > > > > > This is not meant to scare or deter but just to remind everyone who is going to fly to make sure they are double and triple covered on their oxygen requirements. Same as cruising. Do not assume anything can be depended on. The oxygen issues here may not have led to the death, but just as those have arrived on cruises and not gotten the promised service, here, the life saving oxygen wasn't available for a passenger. > > Passenger dies on American Airlines flight > > > > 07:40 AM CST on Monday, February 25, 2008 > > > Associated Press > > > NEW YORK â€" An American Airlines passenger returning home from Haiti collapsed and died after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen and then tried to help her with an empty oxygen tank, a relative said. > > American Airlines confirmed the flight death and said medical professionals had tried to save the passenger, Carine Desir. > > Desir, who had heart disease, died of natural causes, medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said Sunday. > > Desir had complained of not feeling well and being very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince after she ate a meal, according to Oliver, a cousin who was traveling with her and her brother Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said. > > A few minutes later, Desir said she was having "trouble breathing" and asked for oxygen, but a flight attendant twice refused her request, Oliver said Sunday in a telephone interview. > > After the flight attendant refused to administer oxygen to Desir, she became distressed, pleading, "Don't let me die," Oliver recalled. > > He said other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated over the situation, and the flight attendant, apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit, tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty. > > Oliver said two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also was empty. > > Desir, of Brooklyn, was placed on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, but to no avail, Oliver said. A "box," possibly a defibrillator, also was applied but didn't function effectively, he said. > > "I cannot believe what is happening on the plane," he said, sobbing. "She cannot get up, and nothing on the plane works." > > Oliver said he then asked for the plane to "land right away so I can get her to a hospital," and the pilot agreed to divert to Miami, 45 minutes away. But during that time Desir collapsed and died, Oliver said. > > "Her last words were, 'I cannot breathe,"' he said. > > Desir, 44, was pronounced dead by one of the doctors, Shulkin, and the flight continued to F. Kennedy International Airport, without stopping in Miami, with the woman's body moved to the floor of the first-class section and covered with a blanket, Oliver said. > > American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon wouldn't comment Sunday on Oliver's claims of faulty medical equipment on the plane. > > Shulkin, through his attorney, Nadeau, declined to comment on the incident out of respect for Desir's family. > > American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. based in Fort Worth, Texas, is the largest domestic airline. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Meet the new AOL.ca. Free radio, music, videos, news & entertainment â€" with a Canadian perspective. > Meet the new AOL.ca. Free radio, music, videos, news & entertainment – with a Canadian perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2008 Report Share Posted February 25, 2008 Bruce, That's pretty horrifying.... years and years ago flight attendants were required to be RN's, not that that would have made any difference with regard to empty O2 tanks and faulty defibrillators but in their younger days the airlines were more attuned to the medical safety of passengers. Beth in NC age 48 Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 "For as long as I shall live, I will testify to Love." Perils of flight This is not meant to scare or deter but just to remind everyone who is going to fly to make sure they are double and triple covered on their oxygen requirements. Same as cruising. Do not assume anything can be depended on. The oxygen issues here may not have led to the death, but just as those have arrived on cruises and not gotten the promised service, here, the life saving oxygen wasn't available for a passenger. Passenger dies on American Airlines flight 07:40 AM CST on Monday, February 25, 2008 Associated Press NEW YORK – An American Airlines passenger returning home from Haiti collapsed and died after a flight attendant told her he couldn't give her any oxygen and then tried to help her with an empty oxygen tank, a relative said. American Airlines confirmed the flight death and said medical professionals had tried to save the passenger, Carine Desir. Desir, who had heart disease, died of natural causes, medical examiner's office spokeswoman Ellen Borakove said Sunday. Desir had complained of not feeling well and being very thirsty on the Friday flight from Port-au-Prince after she ate a meal, according to Oliver, a cousin who was traveling with her and her brother Desir. A flight attendant gave her water, he said. A few minutes later, Desir said she was having "trouble breathing" and asked for oxygen, but a flight attendant twice refused her request, Oliver said Sunday in a telephone interview. After the flight attendant refused to administer oxygen to Desir, she became distressed, pleading, "Don't let me die," Oliver recalled. He said other passengers aboard Flight 896 became agitated over the situation, and the flight attendant, apparently after phone consultation with the cockpit, tried to administer oxygen from a portable tank and mask, but the tank was empty. Oliver said two doctors and two nurses were aboard and tried to administer oxygen from a second tank, which also was empty. Desir, of Brooklyn, was placed on the floor, and a nurse tried CPR, but to no avail, Oliver said. A "box," possibly a defibrillator, also was applied but didn't function effectively, he said. "I cannot believe what is happening on the plane," he said, sobbing. "She cannot get up, and nothing on the plane works." Oliver said he then asked for the plane to "land right away so I can get her to a hospital," and the pilot agreed to divert to Miami, 45 minutes away. But during that time Desir collapsed and died, Oliver said. "Her last words were, 'I cannot breathe,"' he said. Desir, 44, was pronounced dead by one of the doctors, Shulkin, and the flight continued to F. Kennedy International Airport, without stopping in Miami, with the woman's body moved to the floor of the first-class section and covered with a blanket, Oliver said. American Airlines spokeswoman Sonja Whitemon wouldn't comment Sunday on Oliver's claims of faulty medical equipment on the plane. Shulkin, through his attorney, Nadeau, declined to comment on the incident out of respect for Desir's family. American Airlines, a unit of AMR Corp. based in Fort Worth, Texas, is the largest domestic airline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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