Re: pH

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Went to the link and found it VERY interesting. Found out a few weeks ago

that I have sleep apnea. I'm pretty sure that my sister, who also has MS, has

apnea too. I'm spending the night in a sleep clinic next week. We both had

rather late onset MS and the apnea symptoms are most likely due to decreased

muscle tone with age. I hope my symptoms will improve when it's corrected and

I'm not oxygen-deprived for 1/3 of my life. When I was diagnosed about 6 years

ago I read everything I could get my hands on, but I've been dealing with my

grandson's Autism for the last five years (sucessfully) and kind of slacked off

on the MS research since the LDN seemed to be stabilizing both my sister and I.

You've got me fired up again. Thanks, Mari

To: mscured

From: mellis01@...

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:51:30 +0000

Subject: pH

I've been a member for a month, this is my first posting. I don't have MS but am

close to someone who does.

To the person whose only tool is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. My

hammer is pH. I've been " trying on " the pH theory of health for the last two

years to see if fact is as good as the theory. It seems to be. The posting(s) on

this website,

http://forum.healthinfochannel.com/hc-forum/multiple-sclerosis_content-feedback_\

f1304/overview-types-incidence_t39496.html

which postulates that low oxygen levels are suspiciously consistent with

occurrences of MS, causes me to wonder if changing one's pH level would have any

effect on MS symptoms.

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Welcome to MScured. You may need a box full of tools before you get this

problem repaired. I used to eat a raw food diet trying to get my pH in check.

I ended up with alkaline blood. Go figure! There is no quick fix that I have

found but there has been slow progress. Here is a site that you might find

interesting. It's about the lack of oxygen causing all disease. This is by a

lymphologist, the late Dr. West, and he postulated that disease CAN be

cured quickly and easily. Instructional DVDs are available here. I have not

tried this.

http://www.ial.org/lymphcourses.php

>

> I've been a member for a month, this is my first posting. I don't have MS but

am close to someone who does.

>

> To the person whose only tool is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. >

Mike

>

[Guest guest]

> To the person whose only tool is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. My

hammer is pH. I've been " trying on " the pH theory of health for the last two

years to see if fact is as good as the theory. It seems to be.

>

Hi Mike and welcome,

I agree with ...you have more than one tool, so don't limit yourself to

one theory of health. I do believe pH is a factor, and I do believe that

special diets can raise pH and give health benefits. I also believe that is one

of the reasons the Master Cleanse is beneficial. The lemons are very

alkalinizing. However, the evidence that lectins play in stimulation of the

immune system and molecular mimicry is something to take seriously and is part

of the diet strategy. Also, any diet which recommends supplementation of

Vitamin D, like the BBD, should have some success with MS'ers. The geographical

data on MS clearly shows the role of Vit D deficiency and a recent study found

that many people taking an average of 14,000IU daily had less exacerbations. I

lived in Alaska for almost 10 years without supplementation and there's very

little doubt that played a role in my case.

So......there are lots of ways to go about this. And I really think that every

method is, in its own way, helping to bring the body back into balance. Or at

least closer than it was. Which would explain why so many different techniques

have varying degrees of success. As for myself, I started with BBD. Shortly

after, I added acupuncture. Then I tried fasting. Then more cleansing and

detox. I still do all those things. Right now I'm on Day 7 of a 10-day Master

Cleanse. Next on my agenda are oil pulling and a parasite cleanse. Oh yeah, I

also tried a 3-week course of minocycline per Dr. Perlmutter. Maybe I was

experiencing die-off, not sure. But I certainly felt like crap for most of the

3 weeks!

Crystal

[Guest guest]

Happy puckering! I actually noticed more results a few days after I did the

cleanse. I didn't realize the changes because once the symptoms are gone you

tend to not think about them until they return. I had swollen feet yesterday

and I haven't had them for awhile. I don't have them today. I got a supply of

Green Pasture's High Vitamin Butter Oil and Pure Cod Liver Oil yesterday

afternoon and I took some when it arrived. I took it again this morning. Could

that be the reason? Who knows, but I'm not going to stop now!

Right now I'm on Day 7 of a 10-day Master Cleanse. Next on my agenda are oil

pulling and a parasite cleanse. Oh yeah, I also tried a 3-week course of

minocycline per Dr. Perlmutter. Maybe I was experiencing die-off, not sure.

But I certainly felt like crap for most of the 3 weeks!

>

> Crystal

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, I think you are on to something. My primary issue with MS is UTI. I have

been following an alchaline diet for over a month now and I think it is helping

to prevent those nasty things. The only pH levels I test for are urine.

Thanks for your input.

To: mscured

From: mellis01@...

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 05:51:30 +0000

Subject: pH

I've been a member for a month, this is my first posting. I don't have MS but am

close to someone who does.

To the person whose only tool is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. My

hammer is pH. I've been " trying on " the pH theory of health for the last two

years to see if fact is as good as the theory. It seems to be. The posting(s) on

this website,

http://forum.healthinfochannel.com/hc-forum/multiple-sclerosis_content-feedback_\

f1304/overview-types-incidence_t39496.html

which postulates that low oxygen levels are suspiciously consistent with

occurrences of MS, causes me to wonder if changing one's pH level would have any

effect on MS symptoms. The pH theory concentrates on oxygen levels at the

molecular level, and those can be deliberately modified with

diet/lifestyle/supplements. I suspect, but do not know for a fact, that when

MSers go on the Swank/Best Bet/Jelinek/Hallelujah/Blood Type diets, their pH

levels automatically go up in response to the improved eating habits. Does

anybody here monitor their pH?

If this topic has already been hashed over, I apologize for bringing it up

again. This group has almost 41,000 postings going back to '99. I've been

through the first 4,000 (not necessarily looking for pH references) and haven't

come across it yet. I stumbled across the above-referenced website yesterday and

suddenly found myself with hammer in hand.

Mike

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>

> Happy puckering! I actually noticed more results a few days after I did the

cleanse.

>

LOL, that's exactly what I'm doing at the moment. My first two drinks were with

lemons this morning. Now I'm switching it up with a lime and it's making me

pucker. I also tend to notice stuff afterwards. I've been feeling a bit icky

since yesterday. Probably detox stuff as I felt bad on days 6 & 7 on my first

as well. Tongue is still pretty yucky. Very, very cold this time around too.

Thank goodness we are having a few very warm days so I can go sit out in the

sun!

Crystal

[Guest guest]

" Mike, I think you are on to something. "

(and /Crystal/Marilyn),

I don't KNOW that I'm on to anything, but the referenced website set off a light

bulb. Paying attention to my pH has made a difference in my health over the

last two years. The radical end of the pH theory claims you can even reverse

cancer without chemical poison or radiation, so it seemed appropriate to bring

it up for discussion here. The theory's appeal to me, other than the fact that

it seems to actually work, is that it's a viable alternative to the germ theory

of disease, which has brought all of us collectively to where we are today in

terms of health, i.e., a big contradiction. Thanks for the feedback.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Antoine Bechamp and his discovery of pleomorphism links the terrain to disease.

Why you have an acidic terrain is what you could try to figure out. Diet is

only one aspect, toxemia is another. pH is VERY important. I don't believe in

the germ theory either.

>

> " Mike, I think you are on to something. "

>

> (and /Crystal/Marilyn),

> I don't KNOW that I'm on to anything, but the referenced website set off a

light bulb.

[Guest guest]

So how do you test for PH, and where is the best place to go for information on

how to correct it?

To: mscured

From: mellis01@...

Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:46:57 +0000

Subject: Re: pH

" Mike, I think you are on to something. "

(and /Crystal/Marilyn),

I don't KNOW that I'm on to anything, but the referenced website set off a light

bulb. Paying attention to my pH has made a difference in my health over the last

two years.

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You can test your saliva and urine with pH strips but you need to do an arterial

blood test to see what your blood pH is. It has to be done in a lab. I did it

at a local hospital. It hurts like he**. The strips can be purchased at most

drug stores and can be used at home. They generally have a guide to tell you

what your pH is.

Dr. Theodore Baroody wrote a book, " Alkalize or Die " , that is a good resource or

there is a ton of information on the Internet.

>

>

> So how do you test for PH, and where is the best place to go for information

on how to correct it?

[Guest guest]

So how do you test for PH, and where is the best place to go for information on

how to correct it?

Marilyn,

I buy test strips from a company called pH ion. They have a website. I first

looked at the local drugstore, but all they had were strips that turned either

red or blue. pH ion's strips are graduated so you can see where you are across

the spectrum. Each pack of strips comes with an instruction booklet that tells

you more than you want to know about how to test. I think the last batch I

bought cost $12/pack of 80 strips, plus S & H. There are probably other companies

that sell them, that's simply where I get mine.

As for where you go to get info on how to modify your pH, the world is at your

Internet feet. Search pH and health. Search alkalizing diet or alkalizing

foods. Search body pH. As nearly as I can tell, Dr. O. Young is the

leading spokesperson for the idea, but he's certainly not the only one. Search

his name. Search pleomorphism (as opposed to monomorphism, which is the germ

theory of disease).

My primary method for keeping my pH around 7.0 is through supplements. I buy

three concoctions from a company, and the one that is tailored to raise pH

includes (per powdered teaspoon)10,000 iu of Vitamin A, 800 iu of D3, 400 mg

calcium, 450 mg magnesium, 500 mg potassium. Someone else worked out the

science, I just take it, and it works. I haven't mentioned the company because

I'm not here to endorse, and for all I know there are better products out there

at a better price. Search pH supplements. Google returns 8.8 million hits in

0.22 seconds. Read as much as you can, pick one that sounds good, try it out

for a few months. But first find out where you are with the strips.

I also spritz with hydrogen peroxide after showering. I haven't experimented to

determine to what extent it affects my pH, but the theory intrigued me. Most

people would think that's a goofy thing to do, and maybe it is. Search H2O2 and

health. Lots of uses for hydrogen peroxide, you just have to find the ones

you're comfortable with, if any.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Hope it helps.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Allision/Mike - Thanks. I'm good at getting info from the net but this will

save me a lot of bumbling around trying to figure out where to start. I'm also

intrigued by the H2O2 treatments. After seeing how much difference a small

change in a supplement can make with an autistic child I'm willing to try most

anything for MS that makes sense / can't hurt / someone isn't getting rich off

of. I've also learned to go slow and do one thing at a time so I actually have

an idea of what is working.

Marilyn

To: mscured

From: mellis01@...

Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:01:33 +0000

Subject: Re: pH

So how do you test for PH, and where is the best place to go for information on

how to correct it?

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> As nearly as I can tell, Dr. O. Young is the leading spokesperson for

the idea, but he's certainly not the only one. Search his name.

>

Here's his take on MS:

http://www.ionlife.info/informationpages/robertoyoung.htm

This is the main argument that makes me question the autoimmune theory of MS.

Crystal

[Guest guest]

I'm combining the Best Bet Diet with an alkaline(70%)acid(30%) diet and my

restrictions are even greater than those on the Best Bet. I do monitor my pH

levels, but only once in a few months has it been firmly on the alkaline side.

It's normally balanced, or very slightly acidic.

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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:51:30 AM

Subject: pH

 

I've been a member for a month, this is my first posting. I don't have MS but am

close to someone who does.

To the person whose only tool is a hammer, every problem resembles a nail. My

hammer is pH. I've been " trying on " the pH theory of health for the last two

years to see if fact is as good as the theory. It seems to be. The posting(s) on

this website, http://forum. healthinfochanne l.com/hc- forum/multiple-

sclerosis_ content-feedback _f1304/overview- types-incidence_ t39496.html

which postulates that low oxygen levels are suspiciously consistent with

occurrences of MS, causes me to wonder if changing one's pH level would have any

effect on MS symptoms. The pH theory concentrates on oxygen levels at the

molecular level, and those can be deliberately modified with diet/lifestyle/

supplements. I suspect, but do not know for a fact, that when MSers go on the

Swank/Best Bet/Jelinek/ Hallelujah/ Blood Type diets, their pH levels

automatically go up in response to the improved eating habits. Does anybody here

monitor their pH?

If this topic has already been hashed over, I apologize for bringing it up

again. This group has almost 41,000 postings going back to '99. I've been

through the first 4,000 (not necessarily looking for pH references) and haven't

come across it yet. I stumbled across the above-referenced website yesterday and

suddenly found myself with hammer in hand.

Mike

[Guest guest]

I've always questioned autoimmunity. There is a physical cause for disease and

this word implies that spontaneous combustion is to blame! No wonder the

allopathic community says there is no cure for MS. They don't know what it is!

> Here's his take on MS:

> http://www.ionlife.info/informationpages/robertoyoung.htm

>

> This is the main argument that makes me question the autoimmune theory of MS.

>

> Crystal

>

[Guest guest]

Eat as many whole foods as you can. Stay out of the grocery store and eat

organic if possible. I buy organic produce online and have it shipped when

growing season is over around here. I placed my first order of the season Friday

and it should be here this afternoon. It's expensive but not eating chemicals

is worth it! www.Diamondorganics.com. I do buy lemons, avocados and bananas at

the grocery store because you can peel some of the toxins off. Eat some of the

food raw (salads and fruit). Bon appetit!

>

> I'm combining the Best Bet Diet with an alkaline(70%)acid(30%) diet and my

restrictions are even greater than those on the Best Bet. I do monitor my pH

levels, but only once in a few months has it been firmly on the alkaline side.

It's normally balanced, or very slightly acidic.

[Guest guest]

Potential hydrogen

I digress and lend some posts of my mentors....

The alkaline - acid theory is just that, a theory.

A couple of things to consider.

Parasites secrete ammonia as a nornmal biological by-product. Ammonia is very

alkaline. Would it make sense to further alikalize a body that is already too

alkaline??? Too alkaline is worse than too acid.

The digestive tract needs to be acid in order to absorb the alkaline the body

needs. Mostly calcium. Plus the Omega 3's transport that calcium within the

body.

If seriously ill you definately have parasites so it would make your health

deteriorate further to alkalize with diet.

So there are other things more serious that require your attention before you

even start to worry about an alkaline diet.

Besides, I've never had any luck at all changing my Ph (both urine and saliva)

with diet.

There are other things much more important that alkalizing with diet.

Both the book " It's Not Illegal To Get Healthy " and the CD " The Natural Healing

Paradigm " have the regimes necessary to guide you back to health. Pretty

important information. Learn it well.

Doc

I eat celtic seasalt and don't bother with minerals much at all. Never

have. My personal experience with those alkalizing drinks tells me there's not

much to them. I did it for quite a while and my urine Ph never changed and my

saliva Ph never changed.

What did change the Ph was getting rid of the bugs and decongesting my liver.

Brought the Ph right into normal parameters. And now that my liver is fully

functional my Ph stays within the normal limits no matter what I eat or drink.

Just the same, I stick with the distilled water and nightly oils. And my diet is

pretty good.

Doc

A little side note here. I tried for years to get my Ph to where " they " say

it's supposed to be. I tried everything known to man. Yeah, that includes raw

food, juicing, vegetarian, even massive vitamin therapy. All to no avail. So

that makes me question whether saliva or urine Ph is acurate at determining

" normal " Ph levels. I couldn't do it via those measuring methods. Both urine and

saliva Ph stayed pretty much the same.

Doc

Neutral Ph is 7. I chased this around for years. The body needs to be

alkaline and gut needs to be acid.

The biggest alkalizer is calcium. The calcium is transported by Omega 3's.

People have plenty of calcium in their diets but not enough good fats (omega

3's) so the calcium can't get to the body where it belongs, thus the body gets

too acid. Once that happens you're in trouble. Not just Candida either.

That's why I'm soooooo persistant about the oils. Very, very, very, very,

important. If not enough omega 3's the calcium ends up in the arteries and

joints. Plus, the body gets acid which is the perfect breeding ground for

cancer. It's the alkalinity that the calcium provides that keeps high O2 levels

in the body and cancer CANNOT grow in a high O2 environment. Guy got a Noble

prize for that discovery many years ago.

But to get the urine and saliva to a Ph of 7 I found to be quite impossible. The

best improvement I saw was after a flush once the bugs were gone.

Having parasites affects the bodies Ph also. The parasites give off ammonia.

Ammonia is alkaline so you might well test via urine and saliva to have a normal

Ph but indeed be very sick. See how tricky this is???

Anyway, it's called the " Calcium transport mechanism " . The calcium needs to be

in the long bones, muscles and all the other tissues of the body to keep it

alkaline. High alkalinity guarantees high oxygen levels. It's the Omega 3's that

allow that to happen. The omega 3's also transport hormones.

So you see, it's the oils that are the main contributing factor to correct Ph in

the body because of their connection to calcium distribution.

Get rid of the bugs, decongest the liver and your Ph will normalize. Of course

take your oils daily for the rest of your life. It's the single most important

thing you can do to guarantee your longevity.

Doc Sutter

The reason parasites find a home in the body is due to pollutants which are

at a low PH.

If we lived in a pristine world we wouldn't get these pollutants which come from

many sources including diet sodas with its chemical sweeteners.

Its from pesticides used in growing food and preservatives.

An auto mechanic is very susceptible to making a home for parasites due to the

chemicals that they work around on a daily basis.

Parasites only find a home in the low PH of the pollutants.

Parasites are naturally occurring in all foods.

The only reason that they stop by and start having babies is the nest they have

found due to chemical pollutants that are at a low acidic PH level.

Parasites are at a low acidic PH level.

They are right at home with the pollutants.

The first step is to avoid the pollutants then the challenge is to clear out the

existing pollutants.

I believe there is a book called " Clear body,Clear mind " that covers that.

In the meantime its a good idea to keep killing those little buggers.

Exactly. That's why I wrote " It's Not Illegal " and did the CD " The Natural

Healing Paradigm " . It's a zoo out there.

Thought I could bring a little sense to it all because I have indeed been there.

Parked right on deaths door for an extended length of time. Not a fun place to

be.

But I made it and learned a lot in the process which I hoped would help others,

and it does, but it seems like this confusion thing is just something people

have to go through.

The world of Natural Healing IS a mess. So much conflicting information. I

eventually threw it all away and said a simple prayer. " Lord, what works??? " So

that's what people get on this forum. I did make it.

Protein: Couple of things. 1. I've never seen a healthy vegetarian in the

office. Been in practice over 30 years. All the vegetarians I've seen all those

years were sick. Very unstable structurally and I couldn't get them stable

structurally. And they didn't look good, pale, would get everything that comes

along, and their kids were always sick. Turns out statistically vegetarians die

young and their kids are sick and weak.

2. In treating terminal cancer victims for the past 10 years I discovered they

all NEEDED meat protein to rebuild. Technically it has something to do with the

meat protein is opposite of vegetable protein in the way it's constructed. (Ones

right, ones left)

Sure, the cleansing process might not permit meat proteins but for sure the

rebuilding process does. That's just my experience with the way it works on

vegetarians and terminal folks (and me).

Natural Healing is NOT hard to understand. The problem seems to be people want

more to do than what's necessary. They want to try everything. Simplify,

simplify...

Most of natural healing is simply repetition. Clean the colon, do the bug

killer, flush the liver, drink distilled water, take you oils, get your diet

figured out. Over and over again. At first that seems like a lot to do but after

a while it gets boring and it seems like you should be doing more. And there is

plenty more to do.

But do you need it. I didn't and the folks I teach this to didn't and don't.

Unless there's some mental necessity to worship someone else - Follow someone

else. A dogmatic deal.

So, confusion reigns.

Now, if you haven't noticed yet you're sure to, but everything is bad for you or

everything is good for you. It depends on who you read. Peanuts are good for

you. But I can find people out there somewhere who will swear peanuts are bad

for you. You'd think they are the nastyest things on the planet. Where's that

leave you and me??? Confused....To Hell with them all - what works for me???

Peanuts are good. I love peanut butter. Always have, always will. It's good for

you.

You have to remember there are people even in Natural Healing that don't have

your best interests in mind. We have been infiltrated by the drug companies so

you always, always have to consider the source. Synthetic vitamins ARE drugs, no

matter who says otherwise. They have no useful purpose in a human body.

A lot of the so-called miracle products are worthless. They may do some people

some good but never live up to their promise. So you have to be aware of the

profit motive also. And some people in Natural Healing need to be worshiped,

need to have a following no matter how dogmatic their approach to Natural

Healing is. Apparently they need the ego magnification.

So, it's a tricky world even in Natural Healing. I figured because I had been

there and back I could offer some good advise. That IS what drives me. I

remember what it's like to be truly sick and not have a clue why.

The Ph thing is questionable. I tried for years to get my Ph what they say is

normal. It never happened. The best thing that would improve it was the liver

flushes. Second is the bug killer. I'm within normal limits now without adding

specifics to my diet to get it normal. Clean and feed, clean and feed. Get tough

mentally to all the naysayers, think love in preparation and consumption of what

you eat. Clean and feed.

Doc Sutter

Sorry about the cram session...but few tell the truth like ole Doc Sutter.

Shep

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thanks a bunch shep - good post

carol

>

> Potential hydrogen

>

> I digress and lend some posts of my mentors....

>

> The alkaline - acid theory is just that, a theory.

>

> A couple of things to consider.

>

> Parasites secrete ammonia as a nornmal biological by-product. Ammonia is very

alkaline. Would it make sense to further alikalize a body that is already too

alkaline??? Too alkaline is worse than too acid.

>

> The digestive tract needs to be acid in order to absorb the alkaline the body

needs. Mostly calcium. Plus the Omega 3's transport that calcium within the

body.

>

> If seriously ill you definately have parasites so it would make your health

deteriorate further to alkalize with diet.

>

> So there are other things more serious that require your attention before you

even start to worry about an alkaline diet.

>

> Besides, I've never had any luck at all changing my Ph (both urine and saliva)

with diet.

>

> There are other things much more important that alkalizing with diet.

>

> Both the book " It's Not Illegal To Get Healthy " and the CD " The Natural

Healing Paradigm " have the regimes necessary to guide you back to health. Pretty

important information. Learn it well.

>

> Doc

>

> I eat celtic seasalt and don't bother with minerals much at all. Never

have. My personal experience with those alkalizing drinks tells me there's not

much to them. I did it for quite a while and my urine Ph never changed and my

saliva Ph never changed.

>

> What did change the Ph was getting rid of the bugs and decongesting my liver.

Brought the Ph right into normal parameters. And now that my liver is fully

functional my Ph stays within the normal limits no matter what I eat or drink.

Just the same, I stick with the distilled water and nightly oils. And my diet is

pretty good.

>

> Doc

>

> A little side note here. I tried for years to get my Ph to where " they "

say it's supposed to be. I tried everything known to man. Yeah, that includes

raw food, juicing, vegetarian, even massive vitamin therapy. All to no avail. So

that makes me question whether saliva or urine Ph is acurate at determining

" normal " Ph levels. I couldn't do it via those measuring methods. Both urine and

saliva Ph stayed pretty much the same.

>

> Doc

>

> Neutral Ph is 7. I chased this around for years. The body needs to be

alkaline and gut needs to be acid.

>

> The biggest alkalizer is calcium. The calcium is transported by Omega 3's.

People have plenty of calcium in their diets but not enough good fats (omega

3's) so the calcium can't get to the body where it belongs, thus the body gets

too acid. Once that happens you're in trouble. Not just Candida either.

>

> That's why I'm soooooo persistant about the oils. Very, very, very, very,

important. If not enough omega 3's the calcium ends up in the arteries and

joints. Plus, the body gets acid which is the perfect breeding ground for

cancer. It's the alkalinity that the calcium provides that keeps high O2 levels

in the body and cancer CANNOT grow in a high O2 environment. Guy got a Noble

prize for that discovery many years ago.

>

> But to get the urine and saliva to a Ph of 7 I found to be quite impossible.

The best improvement I saw was after a flush once the bugs were gone.

>

> Having parasites affects the bodies Ph also. The parasites give off ammonia.

Ammonia is alkaline so you might well test via urine and saliva to have a normal

Ph but indeed be very sick. See how tricky this is???

>

> Anyway, it's called the " Calcium transport mechanism " . The calcium needs to be

in the long bones, muscles and all the other tissues of the body to keep it

alkaline. High alkalinity guarantees high oxygen levels. It's the Omega 3's that

allow that to happen. The omega 3's also transport hormones.

>

> So you see, it's the oils that are the main contributing factor to correct Ph

in the body because of their connection to calcium distribution.

>

> Get rid of the bugs, decongest the liver and your Ph will normalize. Of course

take your oils daily for the rest of your life. It's the single most important

thing you can do to guarantee your longevity.

>

> Doc Sutter

>

> The reason parasites find a home in the body is due to pollutants which

are at a low PH.

> If we lived in a pristine world we wouldn't get these pollutants which come

from many sources including diet sodas with its chemical sweeteners.

> Its from pesticides used in growing food and preservatives.

> An auto mechanic is very susceptible to making a home for parasites due to the

chemicals that they work around on a daily basis.

> Parasites only find a home in the low PH of the pollutants.

> Parasites are naturally occurring in all foods.

> The only reason that they stop by and start having babies is the nest they

have found due to chemical pollutants that are at a low acidic PH level.

> Parasites are at a low acidic PH level.

> They are right at home with the pollutants.

> The first step is to avoid the pollutants then the challenge is to clear out

the existing pollutants.

> I believe there is a book called " Clear body,Clear mind " that covers that.

> In the meantime its a good idea to keep killing those little buggers.

>

> Exactly. That's why I wrote " It's Not Illegal " and did the CD " The

Natural Healing Paradigm " . It's a zoo out there.

>

> Thought I could bring a little sense to it all because I have indeed been

there. Parked right on deaths door for an extended length of time. Not a fun

place to be.

>

> But I made it and learned a lot in the process which I hoped would help

others, and it does, but it seems like this confusion thing is just something

people have to go through.

>

> The world of Natural Healing IS a mess. So much conflicting information. I

eventually threw it all away and said a simple prayer. " Lord, what works??? " So

that's what people get on this forum. I did make it.

>

> Protein: Couple of things. 1. I've never seen a healthy vegetarian in the

office. Been in practice over 30 years. All the vegetarians I've seen all those

years were sick. Very unstable structurally and I couldn't get them stable

structurally. And they didn't look good, pale, would get everything that comes

along, and their kids were always sick. Turns out statistically vegetarians die

young and their kids are sick and weak.

>

> 2. In treating terminal cancer victims for the past 10 years I discovered they

all NEEDED meat protein to rebuild. Technically it has something to do with the

meat protein is opposite of vegetable protein in the way it's constructed. (Ones

right, ones left)

>

> Sure, the cleansing process might not permit meat proteins but for sure the

rebuilding process does. That's just my experience with the way it works on

vegetarians and terminal folks (and me).

>

> Natural Healing is NOT hard to understand. The problem seems to be people want

more to do than what's necessary. They want to try everything. Simplify,

simplify...

>

> Most of natural healing is simply repetition. Clean the colon, do the bug

killer, flush the liver, drink distilled water, take you oils, get your diet

figured out. Over and over again. At first that seems like a lot to do but after

a while it gets boring and it seems like you should be doing more. And there is

plenty more to do.

>

> But do you need it. I didn't and the folks I teach this to didn't and don't.

Unless there's some mental necessity to worship someone else - Follow someone

else. A dogmatic deal.

>

> So, confusion reigns.

>

> Now, if you haven't noticed yet you're sure to, but everything is bad for you

or everything is good for you. It depends on who you read. Peanuts are good for

you. But I can find people out there somewhere who will swear peanuts are bad

for you. You'd think they are the nastyest things on the planet. Where's that

leave you and me??? Confused....To Hell with them all - what works for me???

Peanuts are good. I love peanut butter. Always have, always will. It's good for

you.

>

> You have to remember there are people even in Natural Healing that don't have

your best interests in mind. We have been infiltrated by the drug companies so

you always, always have to consider the source. Synthetic vitamins ARE drugs, no

matter who says otherwise. They have no useful purpose in a human body.

>

> A lot of the so-called miracle products are worthless. They may do some people

some good but never live up to their promise. So you have to be aware of the

profit motive also. And some people in Natural Healing need to be worshiped,

need to have a following no matter how dogmatic their approach to Natural

Healing is. Apparently they need the ego magnification.

>

> So, it's a tricky world even in Natural Healing. I figured because I had been

there and back I could offer some good advise. That IS what drives me. I

remember what it's like to be truly sick and not have a clue why.

>

> The Ph thing is questionable. I tried for years to get my Ph what they say is

normal. It never happened. The best thing that would improve it was the liver

flushes. Second is the bug killer. I'm within normal limits now without adding

specifics to my diet to get it normal. Clean and feed, clean and feed. Get tough

mentally to all the naysayers, think love in preparation and consumption of what

you eat. Clean and feed.

>

> Doc Sutter

>

>

>

> Sorry about the cram session...but few tell the truth like ole Doc

Sutter.

>

>

> Shep

>

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: mscured [mailto:mscured ] On Behalf

Of shepdog87

Potential hydrogen

I digress and lend some posts of my mentors....

The alkaline - acid theory is just that, a theory....

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No less a theory than the concept of parasites causing illness...:-)

I do appreciate the ideas brought forth by Doc Sutter but I would not

call it " truth " any more than Allopathic " theory " is considered to be

" Truth " . Let's just say that he is explaining his opinions with

evidence that supports it and anything that contradicts his opinions is

ignored.

Personally, I have a problem with the concept that parasites are all

around us and cause illness. Are the parasites part of the cause or are

they like vultures, feeding on the already dead body? Which comes

first, our diet which makes us acidic, or parasites that make our bodies

acidic?

Finally, Doctors who say that vegetarians are all 'sick' usually don't

come in contact with the healthy ones because they don't need a Dr.

Vegetarianism is not for everyone and I would certainly agree that

children who are vegetarians are more at risk for disease because they

don't worry about eating right. But I think that people need to find

their metabolic type and then optimize what they eat so that they heal

their bodies and not harm them. What works for me will not work for

everyone and anyone who says differently is being narrow minded.

But that is just my opinion and certainly not the " Truth " ...:-)

Tom Nesler

[Guest guest]

I currently am drinking alkaline water. I found a source temporarily from one of

my doctors who thinks drinking alkaline water is good, to balance what he

perceives as the over acid diet most people in the U.S. eat. How does one

monitor body PH to know whether drinking a lot of alkaline water would cause

problems? My doctor suggests I should consider getting a home alkalizer, like he

has.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Hi Bernie, I drink well water that is alkaline and my blood, saliva and urine

tested very high. Maybe the water caused it or maybe parasites did or maybe a

vegitarian diet is to blame. I don't know. I can't change the water but I

recently added animal protein to my diet. If I feel well then it doesn't matter

to me what the numbers show. I doubt that I'll go through the arterial blood

test again.

>

> I currently am drinking alkaline water. I found a source temporarily from one

of my doctors who thinks drinking alkaline water is good, to balance what he

perceives as the over acid diet most people in the U.S. eat. How does one

monitor body PH to know whether drinking a lot of alkaline water would cause

problems? My doctor suggests I should consider getting a home alkalizer, like he

has.

> Bernie

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just looked at my test results. Correction: My blood and saliva were high, my

urine had a lower pH than the range.

> >

> > I currently am drinking alkaline water. I found a source temporarily from

one of my doctors who thinks drinking alkaline water is good, to balance what he

perceives as the over acid diet most people in the U.S. eat. How does one

monitor body PH to know whether drinking a lot of alkaline water would cause

problems? My doctor suggests I should consider getting a home alkalizer, like he

has.

> > Bernie

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[Guest guest]

" How does one monitor body PH to know whether drinking a lot of alkaline water

would cause problems? "

Bernie,

You can buy test strips to check your urine or saliva. That's for body pH. As

has pointed out, blood pH is a completely different animal. Your body

pH can range from 4.5 up to 8 or even 9 (scale of 1-14). Neutral reading of 7

is what you should be trying to achieve. Your body pH varies from day to day

and even varies throughout the day. Blood pH has to stay withing a very tight

range, and only a testing facility can measure that for you...I think. I

haven't tried to gore myself and check the outflow that way, and probably won't.

Mike