AAAARGH! Need a stress relief!

[Guest guest]

Can I just say that I HATE ignorant people who want to argue something they know

NOTHING about?

In a nutshell (and you all KNOW how hard it is for me to be brief , in

response to some of those negative postings about Dr. R and his method, I of

course had to post the CORRECT info to this gastric surgery-OSSG-type-list so

that those seeking information wouldn't get the wrong info.

Needless to say, I was flamed.

Can't tell you how annoying it is when people spew fire and venom and preach how

awful Dr. R's surgery is and how dangerous, when they still think he is doing

the original Loop?

I am just " plumb tuckered out " after sufficiently breaking down their weak

" facts " they offered to support why his was bad and theirs were good. One person

was even a lap-band patient!

I guess I will just have to kick back and relax, knowing you all are doing well,

Dr. R really is a good egg and that in just a few years, these naysayers will

not only be ignorant still, but fat and miserable as well.

Stevie

[Guest guest]

Stevie,

Now, now, now - I take offense at the fat and

miserable part! You don't want to bad mouth other

procedures like they are doing to yours! I just wanted

to say (in response to your plight against the

nay-sayers) - that this board is so WONDERFUL! I have

never yet been flamed or tormented by any of the MGB

patients for posting info. about the open procedure

(since that is what I had). I personally support Dr.

R.'s procedure, but any time there has been

conflicting info about the open procedure, and I have

written in with a differing oppinion - I have received

nothing but support. I think the bottom line with any

WLS is that we are doing it to save our lives.No

matter what type of WLS you have,both pre-op and

post-op is a stressful road to travel, and having a

support system is SOO important. The people on this

board seem to truly understand that and that's what

makes this place so great! SOO - I just wanted to say

that!

- Tara Lynn

--- Stevie wrote:

> From: stevie@... (Stevie)

>

> Can I just say that I HATE ignorant people who want

> to argue something they know

> NOTHING about?

> In a nutshell (and you all KNOW how hard it is for

> me to be brief , in

> response to some of those negative postings about

> Dr. R and his method, I of

> course had to post the CORRECT info to this gastric

> surgery-OSSG-type-list so

> that those seeking information wouldn't get the

> wrong info.

> Needless to say, I was flamed.

> Can't tell you how annoying it is when people spew

> fire and venom and preach how

> awful Dr. R's surgery is and how dangerous, when

> they still think he is doing

> the original Loop?

> I am just " plumb tuckered out " after sufficiently

> breaking down their weak

> " facts " they offered to support why his was bad and

> theirs were good. One person

> was even a lap-band patient!

> I guess I will just have to kick back and relax,

> knowing you all are doing well,

> Dr. R really is a good egg and that in just a few

> years, these naysayers will

> not only be ignorant still, but fat and miserable as

> well.

> Stevie

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Stevie,

As with any surgery - the surgeon makes all the

difference in the world! The most important thing that

I learned as a pre-op doing research - was that

patient education was a key factor in the success of

this surgery, and that only with major lifestyle

changes would this surgery be a success. As I have

said before, I was blessed with a wonderful surgeon

who is almost as involved in his patient's lives as

Dr. R. When I learned I would be unable to have the

MGB with Dr. R - I knew that I would not settle for a

surgeon who was any less competent or concerned for

their patient's welfare post-op. My surgeon is very

stringent about patient education both pre-op and

post-op, with several consultation visits on both

sides. I had no questions about what I was supposed to

eat and I have yet to have a problem, outside of the

occasional feeling over full! I also know of other

open post-ops who have had a TERRIBLE recovery because

of the food they eat. Many of their docs never

mentioned a lifestyle change - they simply do the

procedure and go about their merry way. HOWEVER,

anyone going through such a major surgery - should

have the sense to do a little research - and Hey! - It

is NOT difficult to find info on these procedures -

if they can find their way to the internet - they can

get the info!- so you are right - it is their own

faults! Again, thanks for the neverending support!

- Tara Lynn

--- Stevie wrote:

> From: stevie@... (Stevie)

>

> Thanks tara!

> I actually was going to put in a disclaimer just for

> you that I KNOW you

> will do well and keep your weight off..Most of the

> ignoramuses I got

> annoyed at had the band and the vbg, so I was

> content in knowing they

> might not be so complacent for so long...they

> actually CRITICIZED Dr R.

> for making us adhere to a strict diet! Can you

> believe that one! I have

> read their posts of recent post ops and how suick

> they feel and how much

> pain they go through-and then they say they ate

> pizza or a hamburger! for

> dinner the night before at 4 days post op! Really!

> One woman actually said

> " yeah, a strict diet..diets were for girls that are

> a size 4, obviously

> not those needing ossg! " Ok, so where's the logic in

> that? Just ignorant.

>

> But, it is in the support, and you've got such a

> good bunch o' gals here

> (guys too!) that you WILL succeed-as we all will..no

> matter what!

> Yeha!.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks tara!

I actually was going to put in a disclaimer just for you that I KNOW you

will do well and keep your weight off..Most of the ignoramuses I got

annoyed at had the band and the vbg, so I was content in knowing they

might not be so complacent for so long...they actually CRITICIZED Dr R.

for making us adhere to a strict diet! Can you believe that one! I have

read their posts of recent post ops and how suick they feel and how much

pain they go through-and then they say they ate pizza or a hamburger! for

dinner the night before at 4 days post op! Really! One woman actually said

" yeah, a strict diet..diets were for girls that are a size 4, obviously

not those needing ossg! " Ok, so where's the logic in that? Just ignorant.

But, it is in the support, and you've got such a good bunch o' gals here

(guys too!) that you WILL succeed-as we all will..no matter what!

Yeha!.

[Guest guest]

I was going to keep this to myself but here it goes:

I went to a highly esteemed surgeon in DC (who performs open RNY) for an

information consultation. I tried to go in with an open mind... He held the

interview with me and another person at the same time. She asked the " Lap

vs. Open " question. The reply,

1. If you take all the incisions made during a " lap " they add up to the

amount of cut of an " open. "

2. Lap takes four hours.

3. Only saves one day in the hospital.

4. The recovery time is similar.

5. It is 5x more dangerous for the first 100 patients that a surgeon performs

on... (it was said in a way that it could have been construed as just 5x more

dangerous, the caveat was not emphased).

6. Cost of procedure was given as $20K to $30K, but I didn't write that down

and nothing was given with any comprehensive totals.

I just thought it was interesting to hear it directly from the surgeon,

despite all the independent research that I have done. However, after

working in the health care industry, I got over my doctors are gods complex.

JJ.

[Guest guest]

taralyn,

hello. may i ask how long your incision was. i really would prefer the

alp. but i am seeing that my ins will most likely pay but not for out of

state. i went to the aftercare group this surgeon does for his patients.

they said theirs was 8 " plus. i am trying not to freak out about it but

honestly i can't say i am looking forward to seeing the doc on sat. I am not

rushing to any decisions as i can see i am not even nearly ready to say

whether or not i will even go through with it. thanks, diana

[Guest guest]

JJ,

So did you have the MGB with Dr. R or the open RNY -

I am sorry I don't remember - but I know there are a

few others here besides me that had the open

procedure. I think it is important to remember that

each surgeon is going to have the strongest pitch for

THEIR procedure - or else they would not be doing that

procedure. My doc - who was very wonderful - also

explained to me why his procedure was better and safer

than the lap procedure. I respect his professional

opinion, but being a fairly intelligent person, and

having done a great deal of research on both

procedures, I consider them both to be successful

procedures that have their good points and their bad

points. I think that now, more than ever, because of

the crazy insurance companys,medicine is a business.

What surgeon is going to want to lose you as a

customer? Therefore they must " sell " their procedure.

As I said before, the success of the procedure , in

the end, boils down to patient education, lifestyle

changes and committment on the part of the surgeon to

the patient's welfare!

Just my 2 cents!

- Tara Lynn

--- Manyirises@... wrote:

> From: Manyirises@...

>

> I was going to keep this to myself but here it goes:

>

> I went to a highly esteemed surgeon in DC (who

> performs open RNY) for an

> information consultation. I tried to go in with an

> open mind... He held the

> interview with me and another person at the same

> time. She asked the " Lap

> vs. Open " question. The reply,

>

> 1. If you take all the incisions made during a

> " lap " they add up to the

> amount of cut of an " open. "

>

> 2. Lap takes four hours.

>

> 3. Only saves one day in the hospital.

>

> 4. The recovery time is similar.

>

> 5. It is 5x more dangerous for the first 100

> patients that a surgeon performs

> on... (it was said in a way that it could have been

> construed as just 5x more

> dangerous, the caveat was not emphased).

>

> 6. Cost of procedure was given as $20K to $30K, but

> I didn't write that down

> and nothing was given with any comprehensive totals.

>

>

> I just thought it was interesting to hear it

> directly from the surgeon,

> despite all the independent research that I have

> done. However, after

> working in the health care industry, I got over my

> doctors are gods complex.

>

> JJ.

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Oh, , sweetie - I know it is a very scary

thing - and yes, My incision is about 8 " as well - but

this is the best thing I have ever done for myself. I

have lost 65 lbs in 12 weeks and I feel great. You

already know that I had a very good experience - but

you do have to decide for yourself. Please don't

concern yourself with the incision - it is not nearly

as bad as it sounds. It is pencil thin and it has

already faded. I had very little pain following my

surgery and by one week post-op - no pain in my

incision. The worst part is the itching while it

heals!!!! I promise you will not regret this. Best of

luck!

- Tara Lynn

--- Swanflyer@... wrote:

> From: Swanflyer@...

>

> taralyn,

> hello. may i ask how long your incision was. i

> really would prefer the

> alp. but i am seeing that my ins will most likely

> pay but not for out of

> state. i went to the aftercare group this surgeon

> does for his patients.

> they said theirs was 8 " plus. i am trying not to

> freak out about it but

> honestly i can't say i am looking forward to seeing

> the doc on sat. I am not

> rushing to any decisions as i can see i am not even

> nearly ready to say

> whether or not i will even go through with it.

> thanks, diana

>

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