Re: I am furious beyond belief

[Guest guest]

Sissy--I am sorry this woman is giving you grief and I hope she backs off. It

makes me feel uncomfortable to have such a person lurking on this list. Your

opinions on this total awful movie is correct in my eyes and to me is no way

connected to your work. This list is your leisure time and u have a right to

your opinion just as well as anyone else. Hang in there and don't give into

immature trolls who get their jollies off by attacking ppl on-line. How

cowardly is that? Amie--who is shaking her head in disquist

I am furious beyond belief

Either Newland is a lurker here or someone on this list is telling her I'm

slandering her. I don't see her name in the member's list. This is the only

place I've discussed it. It doesn't matter either way, since I haven't slandered

her.

This woman totally hates me. I have no idea what I've done to provoke all this.

I have posted some of her and 's emails to me and all of my replies on a

webpage. I don't have all of the emails because I did not reply to all of them.

I deleted everything in a fit of anger, so what I have is from my " sent " box.

I'm thinking seriously of posting this to her lists, including the autism

awareness list where her attacks began, but I don't know if it's worth it.

I'm just about ready to throw in the towel on email lists anyway.

Anyway, if anyone wants to know why I am a total basketcase these days here it

is.

Whoever is telling her about me, make sure you show this to her:

http://home.isoa.net/~nitetrax/linda_roger.htm

Sissi

Kids' Page

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/dillon.htm

Boone's Art

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/bart.htm

[Guest guest]

sissi,

i don't even know what to say. it has me SO confused about why two people who

were total strangers to you are now treating you this way. to write to you

personally or even to spread this around on email groups is bad enough, but to

write to your job? are they hoping to get you fired or something??? i REALLY

don't understand.

anyhow, i DO understand your anger at these people, but if i were you, i'd stop

ALL communication with them at this point. it's not doing you any good and it

just seems to be egging them on. those of us who know you know why you wrote

about this in the first place and from what i can see so far, most people are in

agreement with you rather than against you. i think maybe we should focus on

keeping this a positive situation. lord knows we have enough turmoil in our

lives, no need to bring on more

love gina

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Sissi,

I jsut finished reading the emails.

At the end of the first one, 's, I was shaking -- and it wasn't even

written to me. I can't IMAGINE how it felt to find that in your inbox.

I've recevied nasty emails before, but NEVER just the hell out of the blue

like that. Oh my god.

Why is he so angry? Is he hiding something? Shit, maybe HE has something

to do with the bloody film! Because otherwise, he is clearly just freaking

psychotic.

I was totally confounded by the part where she says something like, "

and I would NEVER do to you what you've done to us professionally. "

Professionally? In what capacity were you acting professionally? And how

have you DONE something to them by putting your opinion out in a public

sphere so wide it encompasses autism groups, online shopping, and porn

sites, as well as neo-nazi propaganda and makeover tips and directions on

how to make a bomb? I mean, out of all the exercising of free speech on the

net, why is YOURS the most offensive they've found to focus on???

No wonder you were crying and unable to sleep last night. I'd have been,

too.

What I find truly shocking, as I always do, is how free people feel to say

cruel and hurtful things to people in email that they'd NEVER say to a

person's face. It's like their consciences won't bother them when they

can't see your face. It happens all the time, and it makes me SICK. They

don't remember or don't CARE that there's a real person on the other end of

the keyboard. I have no doubt that if you were with the two of them in a

room when they read your initial letter, they'd have probably quietly

brought up counter-points without a word of abuse. But like so many people,

they feel like they're not accountable for their actions when they're acting

against someone they'll never see. I can't TELL you how much that angers

me. It's like email allows some people to shed their human decency and let

all their cruelty hang out.

I agree with that it's probably best for your sanity if you let it go.

BUT, that said, I'd sue their asses off if they send one more email to your

newspaper.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> At the end of the first one, 's, I was shaking -- and it wasn't even

> written to me. I can't IMAGINE how it felt to find that in your inbox.

> I've recevied nasty emails before, but NEVER just the hell out of the blue

> like that. Oh my god.

So was I. It was totally unexpected.

>

> Why is he so angry? Is he hiding something? Shit, maybe HE has something

> to do with the bloody film! Because otherwise, he is clearly just

freaking

> psychotic.

I really don't have a clue as to why he is acting this way. Or either.

It really makes me wonder. Is Spacey from their hometown or something?

I just don't get it. Maybe the movie makers consulted their organization

abou the film. It's possible I suppose. I bet if they did, hey didn't tell

them what it was going to be about.

> I was totally confounded by the part where she says something like, "

> and I would NEVER do to you what you've done to us professionally. "

> Professionally? In what capacity were you acting professionally?

In no capacity whatsoever. This has nothing to do with my job, as you know.

They're just trying to be hurtful. Why? I don't know the answer to that

question. But I'm VERY suspicious.

And how

> have you DONE something to them by putting your opinion out in a public

> sphere so wide it encompasses autism groups, online shopping, and porn

> sites, as well as neo-nazi propaganda and makeover tips and directions on

> how to make a bomb? I mean, out of all the exercising of free speech on

the

> net, why is YOURS the most offensive they've found to focus on???

Good question.

> What I find truly shocking, as I always do, is how free people feel to say

> cruel and hurtful things to people in email that they'd NEVER say to a

> person's face. It's like their consciences won't bother them when they

> can't see your face.

True. Maybe I insulted on of them once a long time ago and this is their way

of getting back at me? If I did, I don't recall doing it to , I think

its possible. I had run-ins with people on the sju list, but it's been ages

ago. It's always over the same thing. I cannot stand to hear the people on

that list defend people who have murdered their autistic children. To avoid

that, I no longer post when that subject comes up. Far too emotional a

subject for me. I wonder if they know someone who's done that or if we've

locked horns on the subject before?

That and the flame war when I defended Thea. They (members of sju list)

attacked like a pack of wolves because she's married to a Muslim. I was

defending Thea as a good person. I wasn't defending UBL or the

palestiniansd, for crying out loud. You'd never know that by the way I was

flamed. is obviously Jewish, I suppose is too. Could that be it?

As you can see I've gone over every possible scenario I can think of to

figure out what this is about.

> I agree with that it's probably best for your sanity if you let it

go.

You're both right. I suppose I will if they let it drop. Otherwise, I have

to defend myself.

> BUT, that said, I'd sue their asses off if they send one more email to

your

> newspaper.

I'm seriously considering having my attorney drop her a line. This goes way

beyond an Intenet flame war. She can't jeopordize my job, but she didn't

know that and it made no difference to her whatsoever. This lady runs a

support group??? What does she do for support? Get people fired and ruin

their reputations? Sheesh!

I'm really sorry this has happened. I know how strongly you feel about this

movie. All this nonsense has overshadowed the argument against the movie --

at least for me. Of course, that's clearly what they intended to do.

Sissi

[Guest guest]

> Sissy--I am sorry this woman is giving you grief and I hope she backs off.

It makes me feel uncomfortable to have such a person lurking on this list.

I don't really think she's here. I think she has a friend here. I hope she's

getting her eyes full.

>Your opinions on this total awful movie is correct in my eyes and to me is

no way connected to your work. This list is your leisure time and u have a

right to your opinion just as well as anyone else. Hang in there and don't

give into immature trolls who get their jollies off by attacking ppl

on-line. How cowardly is that? Amie--who is shaking her head in disquist

Thanks, Amie.

[Guest guest]

> sissi,

> i don't even know what to say. it has me SO confused about why two people

who were total strangers to you are now treating you this way. to write to

you personally or even to spread this around on email groups is bad enough,

but to write to your job? are they hoping to get you fired or something??? i

REALLY don't understand.

Apparently they do hope to get me fired. it won't happen. My editor just

laughed when said I had " a very strong opinion. " She said, " She

doesn't know you very well, does she? "

That's why they like me. I guess thought I worked for a wimpy,

politically correct newspaper. I don't. I write Op-Ed. I doubt they even

read op-ed if they really think I don't have a right to an opinion.

Still, it was VERY embarrasing and VERY stressful.

> anyhow, i DO understand your anger at these people, but if i were you, i'd

stop ALL communication with them at this point. it's not doing you any good

and it just seems to be egging them on.

I know you're right. Thanks.

> those of us who know you know why you wrote about this in the first place

Amen to that. But I never would have said a word if I'd realized how much

grief it would cause me.

Sissi

[Guest guest]

> That and the flame war when I defended Thea. They (members of sju list)

> attacked like a pack of wolves because she's married to a Muslim.

You know, I subbed just to read that thread, and I'm pretty sure I remember

the name among the posters who were being so hideous.

> I'm really sorry this has happened. I know how strongly you feel about

this

> movie.

You don't need to apologize to me. As far as I'm concerned, you were acting

in good faith when you sent that out, and you have been unjustly attacked.

That's nothing to apologize for.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

It sounds to me as if " " has a negative take on reporters and is

targeting you (as a reporter) and not as the parent of an Autistic child.

I believe he was way out of line to write these things to you. You did

nothing but state your opinion in that first e-mail. and, well, to send an

e-mail to your place of work is just out of line.

Take a breath...Here's a big hug....

I still hope this movie isn't made, for ANY reason.

Penny

[Guest guest]

ditto, gina.

Re: I am furious beyond belief

sissi,

i don't even know what to say. it has me SO confused about why two people

who were total strangers to you are now treating you this way. to write to

you personally or even to spread this around on email groups is bad enough,

but to write to your job? are they hoping to get you fired or something??? i

REALLY don't understand.

anyhow, i DO understand your anger at these people, but if i were you, i'd

stop ALL communication with them at this point. it's not doing you any good

and it just seems to be egging them on. those of us who know you know why

you wrote about this in the first place and from what i can see so far, most

people are in agreement with you rather than against you. i think maybe we

should focus on keeping this a positive situation. lord knows we have enough

turmoil in our lives, no need to bring on more

love gina

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

[Guest guest]

Sissi-

Are you getting that backlash on SJU? I don't read much out there

anymore...

If so, that would explain A LOT!

Penny

Re: I am furious beyond belief

> That and the flame war when I defended Thea. They (members of sju list)

> attacked like a pack of wolves because she's married to a Muslim.

You know, I subbed just to read that thread, and I'm pretty sure I remember

the name among the posters who were being so hideous.

> I'm really sorry this has happened. I know how strongly you feel about

this

> movie.

You don't need to apologize to me. As far as I'm concerned, you were acting

in good faith when you sent that out, and you have been unjustly attacked.

That's nothing to apologize for.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Um, what is SJU?

Re: I am furious beyond belief

> That and the flame war when I defended Thea. They (members of sju

list)

> attacked like a pack of wolves because she's married to a Muslim.

You know, I subbed just to read that thread, and I'm pretty sure I

remember

the name among the posters who were being so hideous.

> I'm really sorry this has happened. I know how strongly you feel about

this

> movie.

You don't need to apologize to me. As far as I'm concerned, you were

acting

in good faith when you sent that out, and you have been unjustly

attacked.

That's nothing to apologize for.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

>>>>>>>>

I'm just about ready to throw in the towel on email lists anyway.

<<<

Don't leave us, Sissi! Please don't let a few small minds discourage you from

taking part in P_A and lists like it. I, for one, would miss your give-em-hell

attitude.

Hang in there hon, and let me know if I can help.

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St. 's University Autism List. Lots of information, but they do get

personal and insulting sometimes.

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[Guest guest]

Oh, Sissi, please do not let a couple of cowards, who

hide behind their computer screens, chase you off the

list...!

Mimi

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> >>>>>>>>

> I'm just about ready to throw in the towel on email

> lists anyway.

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>

> Don't leave us, Sissi! Please don't let a few small

> minds discourage you from taking part in P_A and

> lists like it. I, for one, would miss your

> give-em-hell attitude.

>

> Hang in there hon, and let me know if I can help.

> Tuna

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I was warned by friends to not join this list..that

some of the members were horrible people!

Mimi

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> St. 's University Autism List. Lots of

> information, but they do get personal and insulting

> sometimes.

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> Tuna

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I mean the St. 's list..not our PA list! My

friends said they all left cause the members on the

SJU were so rude.

Mimi

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>

> Mimi

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> >

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[Guest guest]

I was so tempted to email that man and and ask him who he thought he

was.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and the fact that you are

a journalist does not make your opinion any more/less important or

limit your abilities to share them with others. He is acting as if

you printed your opinion in the paper, that email lists are " GOD " .

All and all the subject to his email " Shame on you " could easily be

passed on to him.

*I personally have mixed opinions on this in the works movie, on one

hand I am outraged about the content, on the other no one was

outraged when Mercury Rising was released, the autistic boys whole

family was murdered, didn't hear a peep about that.

Amy mom to

Noah 6 autism

Lucas almost 8 ADHD HFA

Early childhood Special ed

[Guest guest]

I really think the difference between Mercury Rising and this film is

that in mercury rising it was really more about the boy's savant

abiltiy to be able to solve the puzzle that got him in the mess that

cause his family to be killed. In fact they people that killed the

family ans were after him were the obvious bad guys. In this film the

boy that murders the autistic child is glorified(or so it seems) so

the sympathy is misplaced. I do beleive I was a member of the autism

community then;)

Jacquie H

>

> > hand I am outraged about the content, on the other no one was

> > outraged when Mercury Rising was released, the autistic boys whole

> > family was murdered, didn't hear a peep about that.

>

>

> Maybe there was outrage in the autism community. I wasn't a member

of it at

> that time (well, I was, but I didn't know it), so I have no idea.

>

> Jacquie

[Guest guest]

No it's the autism-awareness-action@yahoo list. That's one of the reasons

I'm so shocked.

Sissi

Kids' Page

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/dillon.htm

Boone's Art

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/bart.htm

Re: I am furious beyond belief

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>

>

> > That and the flame war when I defended Thea. They (members of sju list)

> > attacked like a pack of wolves because she's married to a Muslim.

>

> You know, I subbed just to read that thread, and I'm pretty sure I

remember

> the name among the posters who were being so hideous.

>

>

>

> > I'm really sorry this has happened. I know how strongly you feel about

> this

> > movie.

>

> You don't need to apologize to me. As far as I'm concerned, you were

acting

> in good faith when you sent that out, and you have been unjustly attacked.

> That's nothing to apologize for.

>

> Jacquie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Don't leave us, Sissi! Please don't let a few small minds discourage you

from taking part > in P_A and lists like it. I, for one, would miss your

give-em-hell attitude.

Don't worry, Tuna. I'm not going anywhere. Although I'm about 500 emails

behind.

Sissi

Kids' Page

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/dillon.htm

Boone's Art

http://www.isoa.net/~nitetrax/bart.htm

[Guest guest]

> > *I personally have mixed opinions on this in the works movie, on

one

> > hand I am outraged about the content, on the other no one was

> > outraged when Mercury Rising was released, the autistic boys whole

> > family was murdered, didn't hear a peep about that.

>

>

> Amy,

>

> I wasn't the mother of an autistic child when that movie was made.

But

> that's another good example of autism being used as a prop for a

movie.

>

> Sissi

Why is autism being used as a prop a bad thing ??? Downs Sydrom,

mental handicaps , deafness and blindness are used as props in movies

and TV shows all the time, are you offended by these as well? Isn't

making our country more aware of the autism epidemic important too

ANY instance where Autism is in the media makes for awareness......

Example is the movie I am Sam, I was not offended by the fact that

Pean was portraying a mentally handicapped man, and was

actually very touched by this movie.

Amy Mom to

Noah 6 autism

Lucas almost 8 ADHD HFA

Early childhood special ed

[Guest guest]

--- In parenting_autism@y..., " The Hunny Family " <vhunnius@l...>

>

> If the movie was about a boy who mudered an autistic child and then

the

> movie followed that child's family and the changes they go through,

I

> wouldn't object. It's the movie's positive representation of the

murderer

> that has MY back up.

>

> Jacquie

Exactly!!

Kerri

[Guest guest]

>

> I forgot to add -- I cannot watch any movie or television show that

uses a

> disability as a prop.

ER ( 90% of the veiwing public watches) constantly has one disbility

or another on.... Autism, cerebal palsy, deafness, one of their main

characters is physically disabled..... this is wrong ? I am not pro

making of this movie, I am against it... but to bash Autism or any

other disability as a prop in a movie or TV show is rediculous. How

do you think the general public gets their knowledge? I am not at

all trying to argue this with anyone....everyone is entitled to their

own opinions.

Amy mom to

Noah 6 autism

Lucas almost 8 ADHD HFA

Early childhood special ed

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Amy, being the list moderator I try to remain objective, especially

when a

> thread involves my own posts...but calling someone's viewpoint

ridiculous

> without truly reading what I'm saying is insulting and does NOT

demonstrate

> to me that you think I am entitled to my own opinion.

>

> I didn't " bash " anything. In the part of my post you quoted, I

said *I*

> couldn't watch it. Big difference.

>

> Jacquie

If I offended you I am sorry, wasn't my intention. As we all know we

all have very heated opinions on certain subjects, I will try not to

share mine.

Amy mom to

Noah 6 autism

Lucas almost 8 ADHD HFA

Early childhood special ed