Introduction

[Guest guest]

> I've been reading your messages with great interest the last 2 or 3

days and felt it time to introduce myself. I'm a 47 year old

musician/cab driver who's been involved in AA and NA for almost 20

goddam years. I haven't attended a meeting in nine months and I can

honestly say I've never felt better. I remember after making my

decision to leave the fellowship I was overwhelmed by a great sense

of

liberation and empowerment. .It just stopped doing anything for me

years ago but I was convinced there must have been something I wasn't

doing right. Maybe some step I should be working, whatever the hell

that's supposed to mean. I believe that part of what's happened to me

is that I gave myself permission to go ahead and feel what I was

feeling about the program and a lot of what I was feeling could not

be

expressed at meetings. So what else could I do? I was clearly going

nuts. I had to leave. The bullshit I'd been feeding myself had become

too much. My sense of liberation is coupled with a lot of anger at

myself, I suppose, for having taken so long to make this move.

Whatever. I'll figure it out. Anyway, I'm happy to know I'm not the

only one who's decided to try another path. Who knows, maybe it'll

actually lead me where I wanted to go in the first place.

I'll bet it will. You certainly have a better life coming to you

after what you've been through. Please don't be angry at yourself.

You

did what you thought you had to do at the time.

Welcome to 12 step free.

Best,

http://www.aahorror.net

> MIKE BOWERS

> theblues@s...

[Guest guest]

Dear a -

Welcome. I hope you find strength here. I have heard of other women

who've had ep after tubal reversal. Then again, there are many of us

here who are trying for our first child, and the odds are very heavy

NOT to have ep on the first pg, yet here we are...

I understand how scared you must feel. I had metho with my ep, so I

never ended up in the ER. However, I think with time you will find the

strength and desire to try again. You do have one open tube, and there

are many ladies on this list who have had a successful pg with one

tube.

a

[Guest guest]

a,

I am so sorry about you EP.This is a great support group. You will find

lots of support. (((HUGS))) Kim P

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori. We must have similiar ep dates, because my due date would

be this week (or next) also. My ep was Mar 13. Anyways, I am glad

you found this group. It has been a great help for me. I think that

is sad that people tell you " until you have a baby in your arms you

won't be complete. " I can definitely sympathize, because soemtimes I

feel incomplete but it sucks to hear someone say that. Are you

currently ttc? How was your ep treated? I had a lap. Keep in

touch, feel free to ask any questions!

Hugs,

-- In ectopicpregnancyegroups, JONES50@A... wrote:

> HELLO ALL,

> I'M, LORI, I HAD MY EP IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR. MY HUSBAND, STEVE,

AND I HAVE

> BEEN MARRIED ALMOST 6 YEARS, AND HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 3 YEARS.

THIS WAS MY

> FIRST PG, AND THIS WEEKEND WOULD HAVE BEEN MY DUE DATE. I HOPE

THAT TIME

> DOES MAKE IT EASIER TO COPE. I'VE HAD PEOPLE TELL ME, THAT UNTIL I

HAVE A

> BABY IN MY ARMS, I WON'T BE COMPLETE.

>

>

>

> LORI

[Guest guest]

Lori,

I just wanted to say welcome and so sorry for your loss. I'm thinking

of you this weekend and hoping you and your dh are doing something

nice together. We are here if you need us. Take care.

Kel

[Guest guest]

Hello*!!!! oh HUN I am so sorry for your losses*!!!! {{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}} I

really don't know about all your questions....but I would say that a 55%

chance with IVF is pretty good....but if I were you I would ask if that was

(I know sounds rude, but how people word it) " take home baby

rate " ...sometimes it is just pg in general...Good Luck with that route if you

chose it....

I have also heard (and belonged to an email group to better understand the

procedure...) about the Dr. Brown stuff....BUT I can tell you that it is

$3500 out of pocket and not too many insurances are willing to pay a dime of

that...another thing is they are telling people it is for any tubal

disease...but from my understanding on the group it is many for people that

have blocked tubes or " hydro " tubes.....so I am not sure about your case......

Now please I am not trying to talk you out of it....but please if you are

interested look into it greatly....they (by they I mean the egroup I was in)

seem to keep things hush hush and didn't like to explain the whole procedure

or even what meds the DR uses....which made me leary from that alone.....

ttc for almost 4 years

~A~ (9/21/99)

~A~Savannah Lynn (5/6/01)

mailto:OneQueen@...

[Guest guest]

Hi, Lori

My name is Queenie, i'm 25 and i've had 2miscarriages 95/98, and 2 ep's in

the left tube both in 1999, Mar/Dec. I still have both tubes. I had an HSG

about 2months ago, and both tubes were clear. But, i decided to go through

IVF.. I finally had my transfer Sat.. My RE gave me a 30%live birth rate..

and 40% if it's a blastocyst embryo, making it to at least 5 or 6 days, and

alot of that is based on my age. We are paying cash for the entire

procedure, and so far we have spent $10,000 cash for everything. So, i'm

hoping this will work. I hope everything works out for you, if you have any

questions, please feel free to ask, a few of the other ladies here has also

gone through IVF..

Queenie

[Guest guest]

Hi there. I just recently found out about this group. I'm not sure

if I have Ashermans or if my RE just made it worse recently. I will

tell you my history and any suggestions would be appreciated.

In June 2001, I delivered my twin boys at 22 weeks. They died after

birth. In the beginning of August it was discovered that I had

retained placenta. My RE did a D & C to remove any remaining placenta.

I also have PCOS and I never get a period on my own but had 7 day

ones when I took birth control pills. We were told to wait until

Dec. to try again. We started a frozen embryo cycle and attempted to

build up a lining, it never got to 5mm so the cycle was canceled. (My

lining was only in the 7s when I got pregnant with the boys). In

Feb, we attempted an IVF cycle. My lining got to 5.7 in spots (it was

very uneven) and we decided to try a transfer anyway. I got pregnant

but miscarried almost right away. At the beginning of March my RE

decided to do a hysteroscopy on me. She found bands of scarring at

the top of my uterus which she said she tried to break up with

scissors. I then took estrogen for 6 weeks but my lining never

improved to over 4.7. She told us that with time my lining would heal

itself and we would be able to try again. In the mean time we are

attempting to correct my PCOS and lack of menstration with medicine

and we are looking for a surrogate to carry one of our frozen embryos.

I actually have pictures of my uterus from the hysteroscopy. There are

4 pictures of different places. All show areas of white. One picture

the entire area is white. My RE never mentioned that the walls of the

uterus were stuck together and I'm sure she would have if that were

the case.

My question is does it sound like I have Ashermans? What would you

recommend as my next step? The more I read about this condition the

more worried I get that I may never be able to carry a pregnancy to

term. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

[Guest guest]

Hi Kate I was glad to read your story about your pain and your choses about the pain. I have had Ashermans Syndrome for about 7 months with two surgeries already. I have one baby girl and I am in pain all the time! I am not wanting to take all these meds for the pain. I am considering a hysterectomy. No one seems to think of it as a good option in this group. I have forgotten what it was like to feel good again and I am sure from your story that you understand! I hope you can find the decision thats right for you. Personally If you have had all the children that you want I see it as a option. I know there can be some nasty side effects but living like this is not worth it. Let me know how you feel I would love to know.