Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 >It doesn't really matter if the employees are seen by the public or not. It's just a standard part of dress codes.< And that is why it's the EMPLOYERS decision. However, it needs to be written policy, given to, and understood by the employee before hire, or you may have legal problems. I think it would be possible to implement a department wide policy and make it stick.. but I certainly wouldn't try it without first consulting legal, and union representation, if you have it. Weintraut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 I myself used to have a tongue ring and it did not affect my speech at all. My problem with this thread is that the person is a " new hire " . If your agency does not have a policy already in place on this issue and is already offended by the " new hire " having facial piercings then why did they hire him in the 1st place? My personal opinion is that we are not in contact with the public. At least at my agency I don't even see citizens while walking to my car at night. And its not a safety issue at work. So people just need to get over it. Thats like saying we should make it against policy for anyone to dye their hair blond at work because you don't think the bleached blond coloring looks professional enough. Its a really stupid argument for this line of work since its not a safety issue. Don't we have bigger more important issues than this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 >I agree. I like uniformity, but, we don't have contact with the public.< And by all means I would hope that your employer would listen to your points of view, weigh them, and then make a decision on what is best for the agency. My point is, bottom line... it's the EMPLOYER'S decision. You are employed by them, at your own choice. They sign the check. They make the rules. Fair. Maybe not. But that's life. Weintraut (who loves to stir the pot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 It is also the employees decision to hire the lawyer, the lawyers decision to make the point that the policy wasn't in place before that, then the employee gets their job back, with all back pay, and any future incident involving that person is now looked at as possible retaliation for the lawsuit. Seen it before and know it HAS happened at my agency. To quote another member " Fair? Maybe not. But that's life " (and the law). Discrimination people. Say it with me. D-I-S-C-R-I-M-I-N-A-T-I-O-N. Let's face it, the need to present a " professional " **image** to the public really only applies to the members actually in the public eye. Is it really necessary for those personnel that only interact with the public by electronic methods to adhere to the same standards? Notice the word image above. Police/Fire/EMS frontline members are in the visual public eye. Our agencies are in the verbal public eye. How can they tell someone has an eyebrow ring on the phone? Let's think about this objectively people. Don't let your personal opinions get in the way! Yes, I DON'T care for it, but it's not my opinion that counts here. It's the law. > >I agree. > > I like uniformity, but, we don't have contact with the public.< > > And by all means I would hope that your employer would listen > to your points of view, weigh them, and then make a decision > on what is best for the agency. > > My point is, bottom line... it's the EMPLOYER'S decision. > > You are employed by them, at your own choice. > > They sign the check. > > They make the rules. > > Fair. > > Maybe not. > > But that's life. > > Weintraut (who loves to stir the pot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 i have to totally agree with on this... I have tattoos, but when I got them, I kept in mind that I was a professional and not everyone at my agency is going to have frog tattoos, so they are in places that can be covered (no not there). It is a simple solution. Either you comply with what your employer feels is professional or you find an employer who shares your views on professional. Danny (who kicks the pot on a regular basis) >> I agree. > > I like uniformity, but, we don't have contact with the public.< > > And by all means I would hope that your employer would > listen to your points of view, weigh them, and then > make a decision on what is best for the agency. > > My point is, bottom line... it's the EMPLOYER'S decision. > > You are employed by them, at your own choice. > > They sign the check. > > They make the rules. > > Fair. > > Maybe not. > > But that's life. > > Weintraut (who loves to stir the pot) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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