Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 He's a creep from th Delphi Board. Ken, the clock is still running :-) ============= >I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about AA that >its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who expresses >vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my life >that's happened to me. You bullies keep proving true to form. You say more >about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a damn >thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the deprogramming site >is still up. Don't you have small animals to torture? > >Judith > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? LOL LOL >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET A >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go get a life >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet Apple has >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here wasting time >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the steps. >Who's next? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 > I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about AA that > its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who expresses > vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my life > that's happened to me. As soon as someone disagrees, you people put yourselves in the " victim roles " . Why is this? You bullies keep proving true to form. You say more > about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a damn > thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the deprogramming site > is still up. So??? It looks like Apple is GONE from this hate group. At least she is not staying here feeding her resentment off you angry people. She has gone on with her life it appears. Don't you have small animals to torture? ????? Is this your idea of an intelligent conversation? Don't worry. It won't be long before I'm kicked off the list. It's always the same thing with you people---to stay in here, you got to FOLLOW THE CROWD. (that's the same com[plaint you have about AA). Ever heard the saying that when you critisize someone else, it's YOUR behavior that you are seeing? Think, think, think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 I'm not wasting any more time on you. It's like talking to a potato, only less interesting. Judith > > > I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about > AA that > > its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who > expresses > > vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my > life > > that's happened to me. > > As soon as someone disagrees, you people put yourselves in the > " victim roles " . Why is this? > > > You bullies keep proving true to form. You say more > > about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a > damn > > thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the > deprogramming site > > is still up. > > So??? It looks like Apple is GONE from this hate group. At least > she is not staying here feeding her resentment off you angry people. > She has gone on with her life it appears. > > > Don't you have small animals to torture? > > ????? Is this your idea of an intelligent conversation? > > Don't worry. It won't be long before I'm kicked off the list. It's > always the same thing with you people---to stay in here, you got to > FOLLOW THE CROWD. (that's the same com[plaint you have about AA). > Ever heard the saying that when you critisize someone else, it's YOUR > behavior that you are seeing? > Think, think, think. > > _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 > I'm not wasting any more time on you. It's like talking to a potato, only > less interesting. I've never talked to a potato before. Tell us, how is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 This whole flurry of sparks is set off by JoeX's burst of stepNazi terrorism -- what's new?, >From: rwarner1@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: 3 21 Jun 15:49:38 > >He's a creep from th Delphi Board. Ken, the clock is still running :-) >============= > >I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about AA >that > >its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who >expresses > >vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my life > >that's happened to me. You bullies keep proving true to form. You say >more > >about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a damn > >thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the deprogramming >site > >is still up. Don't you have small animals to torture? > > > >Judith > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? LOL LOL > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET A > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go get a >life > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet Apple has > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here wasting >time > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the steps. > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 This whole flurry of sparks is set off by JoeX's burst of stepNazi terrorism -- what's new?, >From: rwarner1@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: 3 21 Jun 15:49:38 > >He's a creep from th Delphi Board. Ken, the clock is still running :-) >============= > >I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about AA >that > >its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who >expresses > >vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my life > >that's happened to me. You bullies keep proving true to form. You say >more > >about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a damn > >thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the deprogramming >site > >is still up. Don't you have small animals to torture? > > > >Judith > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? LOL LOL > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET A > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go get a >life > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet Apple has > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here wasting >time > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the steps. > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Potatoes in space, Sprock, potatoes in space -- " nothing not sending messages " , . > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:03:52 -0000 > > > > I'm not wasting any more time on you. It's like talking to a >potato, only > > less interesting. > >I've never talked to a potato before. Tell us, how is it? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Stupid tot, I'm still around. " Treatment " was an interesting experience which gave me some interesting insight into the book I'm working on. " Treatment " didn't work on me. It didn't take. But it was helpful to see the " treatment " center from the inside and to see exactly what it is that they do for which they charge so much money. Over the past year, I've managed nicely to distance myself from the recovery community, and really, I have nothing much to say about AA anymore. Funny thing, but when one stops looking for symptoms, they somehow miraculously seem to fade away in direct porportion to one's fading interest in looking for them. Except for the book, which I'm very interested in putting together, I'm writing very little about AA. I have said pretty much everything that I had to say... As for where I have been? I've moved to a new home, and had some family & personal things to do which have kept me quite busy. I found my old fourth step during the move. It lays on the floor of my office. I'm thinking of having a contest on the site where fans can " win my fourth step " . I'm also thinking of offering decals in exchange for Big Books being turned in. With the Big Books, I'd like to make a giant sculpture of a champagne glass. I only need a hot glue gun and some garage space. Apple > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? LOL LOL > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET A > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go get a life > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet Apple has > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here wasting time > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the steps. > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- ------------------------- > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > >----------------------------------------------- ------------------------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Ibber glabber shlitznotz dongo mirango miring mangada! Plop fizzy wazzy went the blingatamata bong boo. Fung aroo do to you to. Re: oh joy, another troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Ya. And Mr. Potato head's got his condescending *uck face on right now to. Re: Re: oh joy, another troll I'm not wasting any more time on you. It's like talking to a potato, only less interesting. Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Ya! What she said! oh joy, another troll I don't come into your groups and do this crap. It says a lot about AA that its members lurk where they are not wanted and attack someone who expresses vulnerability. Gee, ya know what? this isn't the first time in my life that's happened to me. You bullies keep proving true to form. You say more about AA than any of the literature. You certainly aren't saying a damn thing about me or Apple and, the last time I checked, the deprogramming site is still up. Don't you have small animals to torture? Judith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 , everyone, My apologies for taking so long. I just got in. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2000 Report Share Posted June 21, 2000 Apple, Bravo! Respectfully, Tommy > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? > LOL LOL > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET > A > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go > get a life > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet > Apple has > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here > wasting time > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the > steps. > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > ------------------------- > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > >----------------------------------------------- > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 Hello Apple I was slammed into treatment in 1987, following a few bottles of wine over a couple of days. Before going in I'd been quite a line-toeing 12-month-dry meetings boy. It was treatment, the in-house contradictions, the mis-information, the nights out at the sad meetings, that finally put me off the whole dam' business. Some of treatment (8 weeks) was quite good fun and the grub was generally worth lining up for. It wasn't all bad and I met some memorable people, some other stubborn cusses and loose-cannon talents, but the message I took from there was not " keep coming back " ! Best wishes, . > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:52:05 -0000 > >Stupid tot, I'm still around. " Treatment " was an interesting >experience >which gave me some interesting insight into the book I'm working on. > " Treatment " didn't work on me. It didn't take. But it was helpful to >see the " treatment " center from the inside and to see exactly what it >is that they do for which they charge so much money. > >Over the past year, I've managed nicely to distance myself from the >recovery community, and really, I have nothing much to say about AA >anymore. Funny thing, but when one stops looking for symptoms, they >somehow miraculously seem to fade away in direct porportion to one's >fading interest in looking for them. > >Except for the book, which I'm very interested in putting together, >I'm >writing very little about AA. I have said pretty much everything that >I >had to say... > >As for where I have been? I've moved to a new home, and had some >family > & personal things to do which have kept me quite busy. I found my >old >fourth step during the move. It lays on the floor of my office. I'm >thinking of having a contest on the site where fans can " win my >fourth >step " . I'm also thinking of offering decals in exchange for Big >Books >being turned in. With the Big Books, I'd like to make a giant >sculpture >of a champagne glass. I only need a hot glue gun and some garage >space. > >Apple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? >LOL LOL > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET >A > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go >get a life > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet >Apple has > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here >wasting time > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the >steps. > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- >------------------------- > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > >----------------------------------------------- >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 Arrrghhh Egroups. Somehow I missed Apple's response. Apple; As soon as you get the space let me know and I'll fedex you a glue gun with alottttt of glue sticks. Not cost effective I know but I'd like to think I've done my little share's worth. BTW I'm getting tired of talking about AA as well. Quick review of what I've been sending to the list lately points that up. : I met a guy who throughout mandatory treatment refused to admit that he was an alcoholic. The kept him on to. Pretty brave kid concidering the flack he was taking from just about everyone. He finally broke and had a drink then confessed to me. I told him not to tell anyone else about it and hope we didn't get a breathalyzer that day. We didn't. I admired the kid but I thought he was nuts at the same time. Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:52:05 -0000 > >Stupid tot, I'm still around. " Treatment " was an interesting >experience >which gave me some interesting insight into the book I'm working on. > " Treatment " didn't work on me. It didn't take. But it was helpful to >see the " treatment " center from the inside and to see exactly what it >is that they do for which they charge so much money. > >Over the past year, I've managed nicely to distance myself from the >recovery community, and really, I have nothing much to say about AA >anymore. Funny thing, but when one stops looking for symptoms, they >somehow miraculously seem to fade away in direct porportion to one's >fading interest in looking for them. > >Except for the book, which I'm very interested in putting together, >I'm >writing very little about AA. I have said pretty much everything that >I >had to say... > >As for where I have been? I've moved to a new home, and had some >family > & personal things to do which have kept me quite busy. I found my >old >fourth step during the move. It lays on the floor of my office. I'm >thinking of having a contest on the site where fans can " win my >fourth >step " . I'm also thinking of offering decals in exchange for Big >Books >being turned in. With the Big Books, I'd like to make a giant >sculpture >of a champagne glass. I only need a hot glue gun and some garage >space. > >Apple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? >LOL LOL > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET >A > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go >get a life > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet >Apple has > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here >wasting time > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the >steps. > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- >------------------------- > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > >----------------------------------------------- >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ ___ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961673119/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 I have been here only a short time. I loath NA. But..I have to say that I think the wheels of Karma moved quickly because of the unfair, shabby, and vindictive way you jumped on MikeKnap. In fairness I went back and read his other posts.They made me feel more strongly that the guy was taken advantage of unfairly. He also wrote the most interesting posts here. I will probably leave this list. I know every list has its jerks, but what bothered me is that no one who didn't like what was going on had the gumption to tell the neanderthals to stop their crap. LJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 As I sit here going through the mail, 12.30 pm UK, it just happens that an XA promotion is getting underway on national BBC radio -- Dr Lefever, whom I've met, a gentleman who runs a big 12step treatment centre, is talking, giving an interestingly qualified account of the disease -- seems to hint ever so slightly that abstinence, while necessarily total for recovery, might perhaps not be a " life " goal. Must listen better and stop typing -- but don't the steps just scoop the pool when it comes to making the media? . .. . someone else is now talking about an " anti-cocaine vaccine " that will render the suceptible less so . . . I think the programme is chiefly a response to the apparently rife use of cocaine among the young middle-classes. Finished now, inconclusive, but voices other than those of the " disease concept " brigade were certainly heard. . > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 11:25:18 GMT > >Hello Apple > >I was slammed into treatment in 1987, following a few bottles of wine >over a couple of days. Before going in I'd been quite a line-toeing >12-month-dry meetings boy. It was treatment, the in-house contradictions, >the mis-information, the nights out at the sad meetings, that finally put >me >off the whole dam' business. Some of treatment (8 weeks) was quite good >fun >and the grub was generally worth lining up for. It wasn't all bad and I >met >some memorable people, some other stubborn cusses and loose-cannon talents, >but the message I took from there was not " keep coming back " ! > >Best wishes, > >. > > > > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups > >To: 12-step-freeegroups > >Subject: Re: oh joy, another troll > >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:52:05 -0000 > > > >Stupid tot, I'm still around. " Treatment " was an interesting > >experience > >which gave me some interesting insight into the book I'm working on. > > " Treatment " didn't work on me. It didn't take. But it was helpful to > >see the " treatment " center from the inside and to see exactly what it > >is that they do for which they charge so much money. > > > >Over the past year, I've managed nicely to distance myself from the > >recovery community, and really, I have nothing much to say about AA > >anymore. Funny thing, but when one stops looking for symptoms, they > >somehow miraculously seem to fade away in direct porportion to one's > >fading interest in looking for them. > > > >Except for the book, which I'm very interested in putting together, > >I'm > >writing very little about AA. I have said pretty much everything that > >I > >had to say... > > > >As for where I have been? I've moved to a new home, and had some > >family > > & personal things to do which have kept me quite busy. I found my > >old > >fourth step during the move. It lays on the floor of my office. I'm > >thinking of having a contest on the site where fans can " win my > >fourth > >step " . I'm also thinking of offering decals in exchange for Big > >Books > >being turned in. With the Big Books, I'd like to make a giant > >sculpture > >of a champagne glass. I only need a hot glue gun and some garage > >space. > > > >Apple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? > >LOL LOL > > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and GET > >A > > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go > >get a life > > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet > >Apple has > > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here > >wasting time > > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working the > >steps. > > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 -- the first person I ever met who had " been to treatment " was a kid sitting next to me on a long bus ride in about 1982. He was pretty high on the whole thing but then admitted in hushed confidence that well . . he had to tell me that he had these big secret benders. He obviously felt badly about this, for the sense of betrayal of all that had been done for him, etc. I hope he made out. Quite what he " believed " about it, I don't know, but I suppose there are a lot of people in his position. . > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: <12-step-freeegroups> >Subject: RE: Re: oh joy, another troll >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:37:17 -0500 > >Arrrghhh Egroups. Somehow I missed Apple's response. > >Apple; As soon as you get the space let me know and I'll fedex you a >glue gun with alottttt of glue sticks. Not cost effective I know but >I'd like to think I've done my little share's worth. > >BTW I'm getting tired of talking about AA as well. Quick review of >what I've been sending to the list lately points that up. > >: I met a guy who throughout mandatory treatment refused to >admit that he was an alcoholic. The kept him on to. Pretty brave >kid concidering the flack he was taking from just about everyone. He >finally broke and had a drink then confessed to me. I told him not >to tell anyone else about it and hope we didn't get a breathalyzer >that day. We didn't. I admired the kid but I thought he was nuts >at the same time. > > Re: oh joy, another troll > >Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:52:05 -0000 > > > >Stupid tot, I'm still around. " Treatment " was an interesting > >experience > >which gave me some interesting insight into the book I'm working on. > > " Treatment " didn't work on me. It didn't take. But it was helpful to > >see the " treatment " center from the inside and to see exactly what >it > >is that they do for which they charge so much money. > > > >Over the past year, I've managed nicely to distance myself from the > >recovery community, and really, I have nothing much to say about AA > >anymore. Funny thing, but when one stops looking for symptoms, they > >somehow miraculously seem to fade away in direct porportion to one's > >fading interest in looking for them. > > > >Except for the book, which I'm very interested in putting together, > >I'm > >writing very little about AA. I have said pretty much everything >that > >I > >had to say... > > > >As for where I have been? I've moved to a new home, and had some > >family > > & personal things to do which have kept me quite busy. I found my > >old > >fourth step during the move. It lays on the floor of my office. I'm > >thinking of having a contest on the site where fans can " win my > >fourth > >step " . I'm also thinking of offering decals in exchange for Big > >Books > >being turned in. With the Big Books, I'd like to make a giant > >sculpture > >of a champagne glass. I only need a hot glue gun and some garage > >space. > > > >Apple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? > >LOL LOL > > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and >GET > >A > > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go > >get a life > > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet > >Apple has > > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here > >wasting time > > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working >the > >steps. > > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 >year! > > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________________ >___ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961673119/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- > > > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 No apologies necessary. You didn't make bad time. Re: oh joy, another troll > , everyone, > > My apologies for taking so long. I just got in. > > Ken > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961651969/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 If you've only been here a short time, then you wouldn't actually know that nobody tried to tell the Mike-critcs to tone it down, would you? Unless you're asking us to presume that you went back to March 1 in the archives and read everything from then on, which I doubt you did. The thing is, since you can't MAKE them stop, there's little point in TELLING them to stop either. You can suggest that stopping would be the right thing to do, but if you do it too often or too harshly, the result is always something like a playground brawl. Besides, Mike brought some of it on himself by being defensive and sensitive, by being quick to over-react, by attacking the whole list in reponse to flames by one or two individuals, and by being a bit of an AA apologist. -- wally Re: Re: oh joy, another troll >I have been here only a short time. I loath NA. But..I have to say that I >think the wheels of Karma moved quickly because of the unfair, shabby, and >vindictive way you jumped on MikeKnap. > > >In fairness I went back and read his other posts.They made me feel more >strongly that the guy was taken advantage of unfairly. He also wrote the most >interesting posts here. > >I will probably leave this list. I know every list has its jerks, but what >bothered me is that no one who didn't like what was going on had the gumption >to tell the neanderthals to stop their crap. > >LJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 I don't read much of what is posted here anymore. Partly at least because of the sentiment expressed in LJ's post below, which I wholeheartedly support, particularly the part that says " He wrote some of the most interesting posts here. " - Re: Re: oh joy, another troll I have been here only a short time. I loath NA. But..I have to say that I think the wheels of Karma moved quickly because of the unfair, shabby, and vindictive way you jumped on MikeKnap. In fairness I went back and read his other posts.They made me feel more strongly that the guy was taken advantage of unfairly. He also wrote the most interesting posts here. I will probably leave this list. I know every list has its jerks, but what bothered me is that no one who didn't like what was going on had the gumption to tell the neanderthals to stop their crap. LJ CHARLENE DRYER 949 650-8479 ATTORNEY AT LAW PO BOX 2783 charlen@... NEWPORT BEACH, CA 92659 ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 There are some people's posts that you just don't read. After a while, you get to know who's a TWOT (Total Waste of Time). - Re: Re: oh joy, another troll >I have been here only a short time. I loath NA. But..I have to say that I >think the wheels of Karma moved quickly because of the unfair, shabby, and >vindictive way you jumped on MikeKnap. > > >In fairness I went back and read his other posts.They made me feel more >strongly that the guy was taken advantage of unfairly. He also wrote the most >interesting posts here. > >I will probably leave this list. I know every list has its jerks, but what >bothered me is that no one who didn't like what was going on had the gumption >to tell the neanderthals to stop their crap. > >LJ ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2000 Report Share Posted June 22, 2000 At 11:45 22/06/00 -0400, you wrote: >I have been here only a short time. I loath NA. But..I have to say that I >think the wheels of Karma moved quickly because of the unfair, shabby, and >vindictive way you jumped on MikeKnap. I'm curious. Who is " you " ? Who exactly are you talking to? As for the " wheels of karma " reference, you would need to have had something bad happen here to say we are now the recipient of karma, surely. All that happened is that one of our occasional trolls activated briefly and made a fool of himself- the total inability to make a reasoned argument probably didn't help (I'm concerned- is AA sending us their best?) There are others who do this occasionally and they never seem to last. I think it has something to do with not liking to look stupid for too long. >In fairness I went back and read his other posts.They made me feel more >strongly that the guy was taken advantage of unfairly. He also wrote the most >interesting posts here. That last sentence- I think that has to be a matter of opinion, doesn't it. But personally I do miss him somewhat. >I will probably leave this list. I know every list has its jerks, but what >bothered me is that no one who didn't like what was going on had the gumption >to tell the neanderthals to stop their crap. > >LJ Well, speaking for myself, I read some things that were said to or about him that I thought were unfair, unkind and unwarranted. But then I remembered several things he said about others here that were also unfair, unkind and unwarranted. And then I'm afraid I just got bored and couldn't be bothered with any of it. Sorry. Joe B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Hello Ken a point here - by not zappiung trolls ENTIRELY, you leave them to read whats said here and then, when they want to jump in, they just resub under a different name. If you zapped them entirely, then they would have to resub immediately if they wanted to keep reading. You would be alert to anything that looks fishy, but this very fact would in itself imo tend to deter resubbers more than the present system you use. P. > , everyone, > > My apologies for taking so long. I just got in. > > Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2000 Report Share Posted June 23, 2000 Hey I knew a girl in a halfway house as an " overeater " . She was cooking and took a sip of the sauce - a total no no, cos its eating between meals ( I kid you not)! She didnt dare tell anyonr, cos if she did she'd be thrown out. She let it out at an OA meeting. Seems to be in recovery from an eating disorder, you gott be a lousy cook! P. > > > > > > > >> Betrayed? Were you betrayed when Apple went to TREATMENT??? > >LOL LOL > > > >Speaking of Apple, where did she disappear to? Did she go and > GET > >A > > > >LIFE??? You AA haters might learn something from her. Now go > >get a life > > > >and quit your AA bashing. It's bad for your health. I'll bet > >Apple has > > > >finally let go of her resentment---you don't see her in here > >wasting time > > > >anymore. Kishline's working the steps. Apple may be working > the > >steps. > > > >Who's next? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ > > > >Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite > > > >Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp > > > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > >SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > > > >Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 > year! > > > >http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961620317/ > > > >----------------------------------------------- > >------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > ___ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- > SALESFORCE.COM MAKES SOFTWARE OBSOLETE > Secure, online sales force automation with 5 users FREE for 1 year! > http://click./1/2658/2/_/4324/_/961673119/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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