Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 : I have never heard of a suspension being applied like this... I would definitely recommend you contact the City Human Resources Dept and/or the State Labor Dept to discuss how they are applying the suspension. I am sure the rules differ from state to state, but it sounds like they are docking you pay after you have come in to work the hours... I am not sure that is legal federally. When we get to a point in the progressive discipline plan that suspension is necessary, we will schedule it for the 3 days in the middle of the employee's work week. (ie: Tues, Wed, Thur) and restrict them from being able to work OT during the pay period effected, so they do not have the opportunity to make up the hours. We do this to #1, keep the employee from getting a nice long weekend as a result of their discipline... and #2 to not let them re-coup the financial loss involved in this... It is VERY rare that we proceed this far into progressive discipline... I can only think of twice in the 4 years I have been assigned to Communications that we actually suspended someone. Both times it was at the end of a very long discipline process that left the employee with lots of opportunities to change whatever behavior was occurring. The key to a new management change is to lay out the expectations up front... Get the employees involved and try to get buy-in on whatever changes may be occurring. I could go on for hours and hours about things that seem to work well... and just as many things that will cause huge problems in an organization... when a new person takes the helm and starts steering the ship. Maybe you guys should sit down with management as a group and talk about the issues? If they are unwilling, take it up the chain of command... Eventually you will find someone in your city structure that will listen to your concerns. _______________________________________ Adam , EMT-Paramedic Communications Supervisor 911:: Suspensions We have big problems in Chicago right now with the " new " management team that is in place. They are discipline happy to say the least. It is ALMOST like they are trying to really really piss us off, so much so, that we all quit and they can bring back the sworn dispatchers. Anyway...to make a really long story short...I have a questions about how your suspensions (or discipline) works. One of our dispatchers was given a three day suspension. She is being told that she will work her full week and the suspension days are on her days off. So, they will deduct three days pay from her check. To me that seems like a six day suspension now...!!! Things were were being slapped on the wrist about before are now coming down in the form of multiple day suspensions. Is your discipline progressive? I know this is a union issue...but I'm still wondering what happens elsewhere. We are so short handed to begin with and now with the suspensions it is crazy here. Some people are working double shifts day after day as well as their days off just to cover. Even people who have been suspended! Also, the mayor wants us all to take anywhere from 3 to 5 un-paid furlough days (depending on base salary)...so that means more positions to fill. Is the way they are making us serve the suspensions " legal " or " fair " ... that's what I'm asking? I'm so mad about this right now that I can't even begin to think where to look on the internet to see if it is! Thanks for your input...and for letting me vent before crawling into bed after a REALLY busy night. (Chicago 9-1-1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In a message dated 10/23/2004 1:00:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, gallen@... writes: This is suspension concept is pretty interesting, and obviously an attempt to apply the discipline to the employee, but arrange it so the organization isn't harmed by the result. >>> Welllll looking at how hard it can be just to get a day off -- and having had to fight for them in the past myself and with the amount of overtime, especially mandatory -- it sure can seem like a few days off without the hassle of trying to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 , my agency uses progressive displine and if you are given a suspension then it may be tacked on before or after your days off. but not work the whole week and then take days off and then take money that is illegal, check Illinois Department of Labor web site I am sure you will find it there. If not make a descret call to the unemployment office and ask the questions, and if your afraid of using the office up there then call some place down state. The idea behind displine is to take money from you so that you will learn from the displine. Illinois Labor Relations Board website http://www2.state.il.us/ilrb/index.asp Illinois Department Employment Security http://www.ides.state.il.us/ Hope this helps Tom East Central Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In a message dated 10/23/2004 5:21:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, wysperwyngs@... writes: Sounds like you may have missed part of the original message... the employee wasn't given any EXTRA days off... they made her work a full week but docked her pay for a suspension they enforced on her days off. >> No I'm just having a bad attitude day. I'm not up on labor law there and I don't know what the union says but I don't think you can make someone work without paying them. I think if that's the route you are going the person has the days off without pay -- hence " days on the beach " . If you make them work and don't pay them its akin to involuntary servitude. Given my bad attitude today I was just thinking how nice it would be to actually have a few days off without fighting for it. And if the fact someone made a mistake was in the person's jacket anyway its there for good (or bad). Its not coming out no matter how short the time off work is. And why the bad attitude today? Well if you have a co-worker who doesn't do anything they don't absolutely have to and you are the one who ends up doing the work for both of you more likely than not if a mistake -- we're talking simple human error here -- is made who is going to make it? The one sitting on her fanny cruising the internet or the one who is doing all the work? Sorry, no more venting for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Sounds like you may have missed part of the original message... the employee wasn't given any EXTRA days off... they made her work a full week but docked her pay for a suspension they enforced on her days off. Tonya -------Original Message------- Welllll looking at how hard it can be just to get a day off -- and having had to fight for them in the past myself and with the amount of overtime, especially mandatory -- it sure can seem like a few days off without the hassle of trying to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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