Guest guest Posted February 4, 2000 Report Share Posted February 4, 2000 Hil, I would love to know too ) Also, I didn't realize that kava kava works that fast. St. 's takes about 6 weeks for full effect right? Trish >From: beth12@... > >Hillary, > >The only thing I find the difference in the Sam-e and St. 's Wort (I take the Kira, the >actual " tested " brand originally from Germany, where they have been using it for alot >longer than we have!) is the price. > >Plus, I love Kava Kava......I like the actual tea " portions " and it's like sipping on a cup >of warm valium.......it chills me right out! > >Have you tried the St. 's Wort yet? I was just curious to know if there was a >difference in how you felt with the Sam-E compared to the St. 's Wort? If so, could >you please let me know or privately e-mail to me to " compare " notes. >Thanks, > >Beth > >> Kava Kava >> SAM-e >> >> both are available at your local health food store (SAM-e is also available >> at Costco and Trader Joes). >> >> -Hillary > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2000 Report Share Posted February 5, 2000 Trish, Yes, the Kava Kava is just the herb (short-acting, not long-acting like St. 's Wort that has to build up in our blood to work). If you have a health-food store around your home, they should carry some tea bags and/or loose Kava Kava that you can brew for a cup of tea. WARNING: Drink it while it's hot or warm, otherwise Kava comes off tasting like you're drinking pepper tea.........LOL! I found out the hard way, and tastes like you've just put pepper in the wrong tea. Beth > Hil, I would love to know too ) Also, I didn't realize that kava > kava works that fast. St. 's takes about 6 weeks for full effect > right? > Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2000 Report Share Posted February 7, 2000 At 08:38 PM 2/4/00 -0800, beth12@... wrote: >The only thing I find the difference in the Sam-e and St. 's Wort (I >take the Kira, the >actual " tested " brand originally from Germany, where they have been using it >for alot >longer than we have!) is the price. Sam-e is very expensive. The cheapest I've seen it for is about $45 for 60 tabs (200 mcgm) at Costco. The recommended dose is 2 tablets/day. I only take one and that seems fine. The first time I bought it I didn't want to make that kind of investment, so I got it at Trader Joes, where it's $16.99 for 20 tablets. >Plus, I love Kava Kava......I like the actual tea " portions " and it's like >sipping on a cup >of warm valium.......it chills me right out! Yes. I find Kava Kava to be VERY fast-acting too. I've never tried the tea, but the capsules I take work very fast to calm anxiety. I find they help me feel less anxious about my food too... and less motivated to overeat it seems. This may be just my assumption though. I often eat over anxious feelings, so it makes sense that they help me with this. >Have you tried the St. 's Wort yet? I was just curious to know if there >was a >difference in how you felt with the Sam-E compared to the St. 's Wort? >If so, could >you please let me know or privately e-mail to me to " compare " notes. I didn't take St. 's Wort long enough to really see an effect. I'd be curious to compare them though. I only tried the tincture version of St. 's Wort. It smelled and tasted so bad that I didn't do it much. Pills would be better. I now only like tincture for acute herbal help (anti-bacterial, anti-virals when I'm really ill). -hil --------------------------- Hillary M. Russak Technical Writer Stanford Linear Accelerator Center hrussak@... '97 R1100RT, DoD #2106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 Regarding Same, St.'s Wort and Kava, there is a big write up on the three of these in March's Good Housekeeping. Some products that claim to be SAMe don't even contain SAMe. There is a large chart in the article outlining this! Unpleasant side effects that have been reported include flatulence, headache, nausea, vomiting and diahrrhea. It can interact with antidepressants (prescription) and other drugs. St. 's Wort has actual scientific data backing it up that it can help relieve mild depression in several studies. However it should not be taken for more than three to fourmonths. If you need itlonger than that you should consult your doctor. Side effects that are possible include: stomach upset and increased sensitivity to the sun. Kava has beenshown in one study to be as effective asa prescription tranquilizer however it is not recommended by the medical community for depression.Its effects are similar to that of alcohol. " Some kava users " , according to the article, " have reported gastronintestinal problems, headache, and dizziness, and prolonged use may lead to an allergic skin reaction. Experts recommend that kaven be taken for no more than three months, as it can become habit forming. " Something else to consider: herbs are NOT regulated by the FDA in this country so a lot of the side effects and such are not known. The lack of regulation leads to problems like varying amounts of herbs in the products (like no SAMe in the SAMe you buy!). Because of this the same herb may effect you in different ways depending on what bottle it came out of it. Also, Reader's Digest for February states that herbs like the above can interfere with anesthesia. So anyone undergoing surgery should avoid herbs for two weeks before surgery! Speak to your doctor. And if you are currently taking any of the three herbs mentioned above please get the March Good Housekeeping Article and read it yourself! Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Start: 348 pounds and infertile Gained: Health and I AM PREGNANT! > Sam-e (Hillary) > > > From: beth12@... > > Hillary, > > Do you take the St. 's Wort as anti-viral or anti-bacterial? > > >>>>>Pills would be better. I now only like tincture for acute herbal help > (anti-bacterial, anti-virals when I'm really ill).<<<<< > > Was just curious, since I think the St. 's Wort has been > helping me fight off > the flu this year and was just curious if you knew about the > " other " effects that > St. 's Wort might be helping me this way? > > Beth > > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 At 06:48 PM 2/8/00 -0500, drasley@... wrote: >Regarding Same, St.'s Wort and Kava, there is a big write up on the >three of these in March's Good Housekeeping. <snip >Also, Reader's Digest for February states that herbs like the above can >interfere with anesthesia. So anyone undergoing surgery should avoid herbs >for two weeks before surgery! Speak to your doctor. > >And if you are currently taking any of the three herbs mentioned above >please get the March Good Housekeeping Article and read it yourself! And if you want a more intelligent read, look for articles in the magazines at your local health food store. I would hesitate to trust articles about herbs and Homeopathy in Good Housekeeping and Reader's Digest. The same big drug companies and huge corporations that lobby to keep the FDA from approving herbal remedies and Homeopathy are the ones who are bread and butter to newsstand crapola like Reader's Digest and Good Housekeeping. There are two sides to every story about herbs and Homeopathy. Big drug companies would rather have you treating your symptoms than making you well and keeping you healthy with natural remedies. -Hillary (who is very opinionated on this subject) --------------------------- Hillary M. Russak Technical Writer Stanford Linear Accelerator Center hrussak@... '97 R1100RT, DoD #2106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2000 Report Share Posted February 8, 2000 >From: hrussak@... > >Yes. I find Kava Kava to be VERY fast-acting too. I've never tried the >tea, but the capsules I take work very fast to calm anxiety. I find they >help me feel less anxious about my food too... and less motivated to >overeat it seems. This may be just my assumption though. I often eat over >anxious feelings, so it makes sense that they help me with this. Well... you know, I think I should at least try this ) Do you think most of the capsule brands are similarly effective? I know that herbs aren't all regulated ... potency & quality can be questionable I guess. Do you have an opinion of which brands you like better? Thank you in advance! Trish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 Hillary, Reader's Digest happens to publish stories from all those magazines that you mentioned -- not to mention the magazines in those health food stores have an agenda to sell herbs. Good Housekeeping actually had positive things to say about the herbs so before you start criticizing something you haven't read, read it. Rasley mailto:drasley@... BTC, Columbus, 10/7/98 Start: 348 pounds and infertile Gained: Health and I AM PREGNANT! > RE: Sam-e > > > From: hrussak@... > > At 06:48 PM 2/8/00 -0500, drasley@... wrote: > > >Regarding Same, St.'s Wort and Kava, there is a big write up on the > >three of these in March's Good Housekeeping. > <snip > >Also, Reader's Digest for February states that herbs like the above can > >interfere with anesthesia. So anyone undergoing surgery should > avoid herbs > >for two weeks before surgery! Speak to your doctor. > > > >And if you are currently taking any of the three herbs mentioned above > >please get the March Good Housekeeping Article and read it yourself! > > And if you want a more intelligent read, look for articles in the > magazines > at your local health food store. I would hesitate to trust articles about > herbs and Homeopathy in Good Housekeeping and Reader's Digest. The same > big drug companies and huge corporations that lobby to keep the FDA from > approving herbal remedies and Homeopathy are the ones who are bread and > butter to newsstand crapola like Reader's Digest and Good Housekeeping. > There are two sides to every story about herbs and Homeopathy. Big drug > companies would rather have you treating your symptoms than > making you well > and keeping you healthy with natural remedies. > > -Hillary (who is very opinionated on this subject) > --------------------------- > Hillary M. Russak > Technical Writer > Stanford Linear Accelerator Center > > hrussak@... > '97 R1100RT, DoD #2106 > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2000 Report Share Posted February 9, 2000 I have read Good Housekeeping and Reader's Digest many times. I find their articles are often uninformed, biased, directed toward those with very limited education, and overly-influenced by thier advertisers. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Everything posted to this list is an opinion and is often backed only by anecdotal evidence. We disagree. I'm fine with that. -Hillary At 08:32 AM 2/9/00 -0500, " D. Rasley " wrote: >Reader's Digest happens to publish stories from all those magazines that you >mentioned -- not to mention the magazines in those health food stores have >an agenda to sell herbs. > >Good Housekeeping actually had positive things to say about the herbs so >before you start criticizing something you haven't read, read it. >> hrussak@... wrote >> And if you want a more intelligent read, look for articles in the >> magazines >> at your local health food store. I would hesitate to trust articles about >> herbs and Homeopathy in Good Housekeeping and Reader's Digest. The same >> big drug companies and huge corporations that lobby to keep the FDA from >> approving herbal remedies and Homeopathy are the ones who are bread and >> butter to newsstand crapola like Reader's Digest and Good Housekeeping. >> There are two sides to every story about herbs and Homeopathy. Big drug >> companies would rather have you treating your symptoms than >> making you well >> and keeping you healthy with natural remedies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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