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Aw...that was his little contribution...perfect!

Louisa

the rest of the floor is clear and vacuumed except for one

spot...smack dab in the middle of the room sit 6 toy cars lined up

perfectly side by side courtesy of my little boy.

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LOL...so we BOTH have somthing to worry about my typical little girl

has just lined up 14 video cases while we speak (no joke)...I have

just posted my concearns about Freyja...heaven help us!

Louisa

> > Aw...that was his little contribution...perfect!

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> Louisa <

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> hahaha, yeah, but he's not my autistic one ;)

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> or is he?

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> " Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " -

Mr.

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> LOL...so we BOTH have somthing to worry about my typical little

girl

> has just lined up 14 video cases while we speak (no joke)...I have

> just posted my concearns about Freyja...heaven help us!

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> Louisa

Well, im with you guys on this...today i have

the evaluation done on my 19month old who has

been having tantrums...she isn't lining things

up at all (yet)...so i'll be praying for you both

as well as myself....our appointment is at noon,

so i'll type later, as to what has happened....

nancy ..... who is VERY stressed.......

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Utterly. Trev's cars can keep 's six little dinosaurs company.

One for each of them. was 'playing' with the dinosaurs on the

table yesterday afternoon.......lining them all up.......

who is also watching her youngest like a hawk

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my nephew who is 3 has started lining things up compulsively! this has my

sister very concerned and i am partly to blame. he is a very quirky child,

incredibly intelligent and articulate for his age and i am always saying, in

jest of course, how autistic he is :o( i really don't think she has anything to

be overly concerned about right now. he is a very functional child clever, no

real behavioural problems, absolutely no socialization or communication problems

- he's a bit oppostional and has some quirky " sameness " issues and sensory

things - and now the lining up!

michelle

the mark of a genius?

i have this big room in my house that used to be used as a playroom, but,

because of its location in the house, has since gone unused. it has just been

piling up with toys and various items i've started putting together but never

finished. the other night, mike asked to see in the room, so i showed it to him

and, despite the mess, he LOVED it. he thought it was the best room in the house

and it should be " our " bedroom. he said he'd help me clean it up, but i decided

to surprise him and do it myself, so that's what i've been doing since 7:00 this

morning. anyway...

trevor woke up around 7:30 and came in to " help " me. he played with the

various toys as i was putting them away. finally i was done. all the toys and

unfinished projects are stacked up fairly neatly in the corner. the rest of the

floor is clear and vacuumed except for one spot...smack dab in the middle of the

room sit 6 toy cars lined up perfectly side by side courtesy of my little boy.

i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet utterly

frightening the sight of that is :-|

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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does this mean mike is moving in?

michelle

the mark of a genius?

i have this big room in my house that used to be used as a playroom, but,

because of its location in the house, has since gone unused. it has just been

piling up with toys and various items i've started putting together but never

finished. the other night, mike asked to see in the room, so i showed it to him

and, despite the mess, he LOVED it. he thought it was the best room in the house

and it should be " our " bedroom. he said he'd help me clean it up, but i decided

to surprise him and do it myself, so that's what i've been doing since 7:00 this

morning. anyway...

trevor woke up around 7:30 and came in to " help " me. he played with the

various toys as i was putting them away. finally i was done. all the toys and

unfinished projects are stacked up fairly neatly in the corner. the rest of the

floor is clear and vacuumed except for one spot...smack dab in the middle of the

room sit 6 toy cars lined up perfectly side by side courtesy of my little boy.

i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet utterly

frightening the sight of that is :-|

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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> he's a bit oppostional and has some quirky " sameness " issues and sensory

things - and now the lining up! <

could be OCD...

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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> does this mean mike is moving in?

michelle <

not officially, no. he can't live here for various reasons, but he spends a LOT

of time here and, more often than not, he sleeps over :-D

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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> that's what i was thinking! aren't all kids a bit OCD though?

michelle <

i suppose to an extent. it's not really a problem until it starts interfering

with their everyday lives

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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that's what i was thinking! aren't all kids a bit OCD though?

michelle

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> he's a bit oppostional and has some quirky " sameness " issues and sensory

things - and now the lining up! <

could be OCD...

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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Boys like to line up cars. Now I know not all typical boys do but

alot do. Greggory and Alec never lined up cars, or rather Greggory

did but Alec likes his world very chaotic! ;) Maybe the cars were

about to start a race! :)

Jacquie H

> i have this big room in my house that used to be used as a

playroom, but, because of its location in the house, has since gone

unused. it has just been piling up with toys and various items i've

started putting together but never finished. the other night, mike

asked to see in the room, so i showed it to him and, despite the

mess, he LOVED it. he thought it was the best room in the house and

it should be " our " bedroom. he said he'd help me clean it up, but i

decided to surprise him and do it myself, so that's what i've been

doing since 7:00 this morning. anyway...

> trevor woke up around 7:30 and came in to " help " me. he played with

the various toys as i was putting them away. finally i was done. all

the toys and unfinished projects are stacked up fairly neatly in the

corner. the rest of the floor is clear and vacuumed except for one

spot...smack dab in the middle of the room sit 6 toy cars lined up

perfectly side by side courtesy of my little boy.

> i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet

utterly frightening the sight of that is :-|

>

> " Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " -

Mr.

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Does Kailey line up things too?

Jacquie H

> > Boys like to line up cars. Now I know not all typical boys do but

alot do. Greggory and Alec never lined up cars, or rather Greggory

did but Alec likes his world very chaotic! ;) Maybe the cars were

about to start a race! :)

> Jacquie H <

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> hahahaha, tommi also tried to tell me not to worry about the it if

it was just cars, but it's not, it's EVERYTHING- cookies, bandaids,

books, videotapes, etc- either lined or stacked. now do you see my

concern? ;)

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> " Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " -

Mr.

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lol....was just hoping. How about this.....does Kailey like to

organize or sort?

Jacquie H

> > Does Kailey line up things too?

> Jacquie H <

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> not since she was little, before trevor was even born. sorry

charlie ;)

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> " Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " -

Mr.

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> Isn't it possible to have autistic traits without autism? <

oh yes, completely. that's what i've been thinking all along, but the older he

gets...

> P.S. On the bright side, I hope you enjoy your new bedroom. <

oh, i'm sure we will. thank you ;)

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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-- Re: the mark of a genius?

gina muollo wrote:

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>smack dab in the middle of the room sit 6 toy cars lined up perfectly side

by

> side courtesy of my little boy.

> i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet

> utterly frightening the sight of that is :-|

, lined up every car he owned. He know the color and everything

about these cars. If someone tried to move one and switch it with another he

know that they were switched. And is my only NT child.

So I would say you have nothing to worry about.

Lori

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> Is there anyone on this list who has had NT children after already

> having a diagnosed ASD child?

>

and Sami are 17 mos. apart so we didn't realize the full extent

of 's problems when Sami was born. Sami is in gifted classes,

has absolutely no obsessive traits, is way more social than her

father or I have ever been, loves clothes, makeup(not that I let her

wear it at 9), takes care of her dogs everyday sometimes without

being reminded and is an all around good kid.

They're younger brother, (7), goes in for testing this month.

My first appointment with the neuropsychologist is next Monday. He

had seizures from birth that were only partially controlled with

medication. Since stopping the Depakote in May we've been seeing some

severe behavior problems. He has some learning disabilities and I'll

be surprised if he doensn't come back as Aspergers.

So...yes, I did have an NT kid, but I also had another with some undx

issues.

Tina

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gina muollo wrote:

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>smack dab in the middle of the room sit 6 toy cars lined up perfectly side by

> side courtesy of my little boy.

> i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet

> utterly frightening the sight of that is :-|

I still remember so clearly the day I found Jake with all his cars lined

up in a row. I ran to get the video camera and was just amazed at his

" project " !

Oh .... I don't know what to say. Isn't it possible to have

autistic traits without autism? My husband and I have been discussing

all our autistic traits from our childhood and wondering why we weren't

autistic? (mostly my husband, who has *several* autistic traits)

You're absolutely right, " completely amazing, yet utterly

frightening " .... surreal.

~ Karin

P.S. On the bright side, I hope you enjoy your new bedroom.

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> So what advice do you give about having more children Tina? I

don't expect anyone to say they wish they hadn't had their child.

But... knowing what you know now....

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> As I type this out, I think it's almost an impossible question to

answer....

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Having 2 out of the 3 with autism or other issues? My husband and I

decided not to have any more. We had talked about having a 4th

because a lot of parents I know say that it works better when you

even out the number of children. Kids tend to play in pairs and with

an odd number, there's always an odd kid out. This happens a lot with

my kids.

But epilepsy runs in my husband's family (something we didn't know

when was born) and with being autistic and mentally

handicapped, we didn't like our odds. Actually, we didn't like our

odds after having one autie and one nt child, but fate stepped in and

the birth control failed. I love my son more than life itself, but he

wasn't planned.

Tina

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> So what advice do you give about having more children Tina? I

don't expect anyone to say they wish they hadn't had their child.

But... knowing what you know now....

>

Oops, told you our choice but I really didn't answer the question.

I'd have to say that this is a very personal choice. It's not a

decision I think any of us make lightly. For me and my husband, the

choice was not to risk it.

Life is a gamble. We can guess, but we don't " Know " what's going to

happen in the next 10 minutes. I'm pretty sure I'll still be typing

at the computer, but I could be bandaging a bloody nose, a cut hand,

stopping a fight, answering the phone...you get the picture. All we

can do is weigh the odds and decide if we want to take the risk and

see what type of child God gives us next.

I like to be informed. If I were to consider having another child, I

would definately seek genetic counseling.

Tina

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, I don't know if this will help at all, but here is what happened with

us.

Gabe does crap like this and it makes my blood run cold. He loves ,

lines up all the trains just so...He will hold them up all magneted together

and spin them and then flap his hands he is so excited. He also bites and

hits himself. These are not things Mikey does, or at least not in the same

way/situations. I realize there is a lot of copying going on but some of

these things Gabe is doing on his own. I have some concerns about his

speech & hearing too. I have really not been likeing the path all these

things seem to head down.

We went ahead & did an OT/PT eval, and he is scheduled for a speech eval and

a full developmental eval in Dec. His OT/PT eval were normal! Hurrah!

They said it is OK for him to be doing things like that so long as they are

not interfering with his development.

Sooooo...if you're worried, check it out, but don't panic. If there is

something you will be catching it as early as possible and that gives him

the best chance. If there's not something you'll set your mind at ease.

Good luck hon.

-Sara.

who will be going to the dr tomorrow, yes, thank you. :)

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> Sooooo...if you're worried, check it out, but don't panic. If there is

something you will be catching it as early as possible and that gives him the

best chance. If there's not something you'll set your mind at ease. <

thanks a bunch, sara. he's gotten speech 2x/week and social work 1x/week for a

little over a year now. he just started last week with an in home special ed

teacher 2x/week. we have his preschool evals set for december 11 & 13 and his

social worker is quite positive he'll qualify no problem. i'm not really

panicing, just making note of it all :)

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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> his social worker is quite positive he'll qualify no problem <

i suppose i should mention that to qualify for special ed preschool in nys, you

need to have a 33% delay in one area or a 25% delay in two areas. trevor

currently has a 33% delay in two areas...

" Something important to remember...we'll always be who we are. " - Mr.

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6 toy cars lined up perfectly side by side courtesy of my little boy.

> i don't think i need to tell any of you how completely amazing yet

utterly frightening the sight of that is :-|

Yep I know. I used to think that was so cool and neat that Mark

could do that. Now when I clean his room or other parts of the house

and see this I'm amazed that he does this so good, but at the same

time it makes me realize that I'm not imagining this about him.

Tina W.

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> Is there anyone on this list who has had NT children after already

> having a diagnosed ASD child?

Karin~~

i should of answered this before too,

cause i do have a 14yr old son who is NT

and then i had jenna, whos autistic and ocd,

and now there is rachelle who is 19months,

who is " so far, so good " (as you remember

she just had her evaluation).....

my son was with a different dad...the girls

have the same dad....

nancy :)

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