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Dear Janice

I haven't been to the USA, regretfully, though I keep my options open. I

knew at least one Methodist Jan in Abeystwyth, where I lived till last

November. I used to be a regular family man Churchgoer but my wife

preferred the 12steps. Things might have been otherwise. Divorced now and

away from the children. I went to Church last Sunday for the first time in

a good while -- small Methodist congregration not far from my home here in

Cardiff.

I don't give up hope that my ex might get her act together one of these days

with regard to her " religious " position, but she's drunk so deeply of the

cup of the steps that I can't be optimistic.

God bless

.

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>Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups

>To: <12-step-freeegroups>

>Subject: Re: methodist

>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:47:49 -0400

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>I doubt you've met me - I'm way cross the ocean in Pittsburgh, USA and

>never

>been to Merry Olde England! Have you ever been to USA?

>

>jan

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> methodist

> > >Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:53:59 -0400

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> > >Lord help us another Methodist, Doug - me too!!

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> > >jan

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Did AA alienate your wife from the church? If so, intentionally or

inadvertently?

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>Dear Janice

>

>I haven't been to the USA, regretfully, though I keep my options open. I

>knew at least one Methodist Jan in Abeystwyth, where I lived till last

>November. I used to be a regular family man Churchgoer but my wife

>preferred the 12steps. Things might have been otherwise. Divorced now and

>away from the children. I went to Church last Sunday for the first time in

>a good while -- small Methodist congregration not far from my home here in

>Cardiff.

>I don't give up hope that my ex might get her act together one of these days

>with regard to her " religious " position, but she's drunk so deeply of the

>cup of the steps that I can't be optimistic.

>

>God bless

>

>.

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Dear Kayleigh --

That's a question I can't answer. I think it was and is chiefly a matter of

her own reluctance. There are no Churchgoers I ever met in her AA/NA

in-crowd of " professional " counsellors and other hard core stepheads. I've

said to her she thinks more of the 12 steps than she does of Jesus Christ

and she didn't really like to hear it said, but she's stuck unflinchingly to

the " fellowships " through fear, misplaced loyalty, pathological need for

certain types of approval, etc. Saw her Tuesday -- with a silver ring on a

sandalled toe to match her 12step toyboy -- and loved her too much not to

berate her for her taste.

Good night Kayleigh,

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Dear Mae,

" IHS " is, firstly, the first, second, and last letters of the Greek for

" Jesus " and, secondly, stands for " In Hoc Signo " , the Latin for " In this

sign " , the " battle cry " of Constantine the Great's army when they fought for

Rome. Constantine was the first Christian Roman Emperor and said that on the

eve of the battle he had had a vision in which an angel showed him the cross

and informed him that he would conquer in this sign. There are good

authorities that maintain the angel said to Consantine " In this conqueor " ,

in which case, if the angel was speaking Latin, he/she may have said " In hoc

superatis " (though I'm not a confident Latinist and may have contrived a bad

translation). Anyway, Constantine won.

Yours,

.

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>To: 12-step-freeegroups

>Subject: Re: methodist

>Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 05:26:49 -0000

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> > IHS!!!

>

>What's IHS?

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