Re: A&E Program

[Guest guest]

Hi , need to correct you on something. I wasn't interviewed. It is

nne Gilliam who will be on the A & E show.

They approached me for an interview but I'm too shy. They even offered to

film me in dark shadows and change my voice to sound like one of the

Chipmunks but I still declined.

Just kidding!

jan

A & E Program

>

> AA's coming out all over the tube. Just saw this on the Delphi forum

> by

> nne Gillum who wrote How AA Failed Me.

>

> " Also, A & E cable channel interviewed me for a show they are doing

> entitled

> Inside AA. It will present a very balanced perspective of the pros

> and cons

> of AA. It has a tentative air date of June 16. "

>

> So 20/20 (or is it 48 hours) will do something on the 3rd? And now

> A & E will

> have something on the 16th. What is June now? National Alcoholism

> Month.

>

> Overseas list members - if you aren't able to see these shows, maybe

> some of

> us Yanks can tape them for you. I don't have a video copier or I'd

> make

> copies. Maybe there's another way around this.

>

> jan

>

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[Guest guest]

And the dude from the NIH?? Please he looks embalmed himself. I can't. Thats

all that I can say. I just can't. Its like someone let AA into my livingroom.

Hearing those chants and steps being read with the english accent will surley

give me nightmares. And where were the dirtbags??? even in shadow you could

see only well dressed fine upstanding citizens, They flashed once to some

scruffy person on the street that could have been me for godssake, or anyone

else for that matter. Where was the busloads of mental patients that they bus

in against there will from the halfway houses? Where were the jailhouse

meetings being forced on inmates? Where was the lady who would bring her 5

screaming kids who would eat all the cookies and take all the milk for the

coffee to fill there sippy cups? Where was the real meeting???

[Guest guest]

no I am not asking who they are I am telling you what book covers they

flashed on God what kind of Anti AA person would I be if I did not know of

these people and had read there works?????? I CAN READ I just cant spell

Jen

[Guest guest]

At 08:13 PM 6/12/00 -0700, Kayleigh S wrote:

>What an awful program. If I weren't a lady (hi, ) I would swear.

Didn't live up to its ads -- apparently used Gilliam and Peele (especially

Peele!) to make points that Gilliam and Peele wouldn't have agreed with.

I don't have cable TV (I'm not a big TV watcher, I barely have a TV

to see the 20/20 show) so I didn't see this. All the messages about it

here certainly give the tone of it though, and I'm sure the AA'ers who

saw it are 'grateful' for the way it turned out.

If they (Gilliam and Peele) don't have lawyers, I bet they will

tomorrow. I would think a public apology from A & E and a minute (or 30) of

unedited air time made available for them to state their views would be

appropriate.

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http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

You're CHAIRING A MEETING? For an ANNIVERSARY? Get thee behind me,

12-stepper! What do you MEAN, you don't want to make life difficult

for yourself? What are you doing here?!?! I'm bewildered. And your

situation seems to me to be very different - Charlene was not

proposing to actively attend meetings as an AA disciple, or to

participate in their rituals. It seems to me like you are just

enjoying playing Mata Hari.

Nic

> Charlene

> I am asking myself the same questions. I have spoken

> up some in AA about www.aadeprogramming.com. i only

> bring it up in high trust situations. I know those

> big meetings will be full of people who will put me on

> their blacklist. But maybe I need to do it anyway. I

> will be chairing a huge speaker meeting in a few weeks

> for my 5th anniversary and I will have the mic and

> options to say whatever to about 200 people. I just

> don't want to make life difficult for myself. The

> flip side is, it has been pretty difficult pretending

> to worship at the altar of the blue banner. I can't

> blanket condemn aa any more than I could praise it.

> After all I am not dead. And I am pretty much in

> control of life more than I ever have been. A lot of

> that is thanks to aadeprogramming.com. I think a lot

> of it is thanks to me. Boy I am scared to say that in

> a meeting. I know I can say these things but again I

> don't want to come across as hostile. I just feel

> that I ought to give it away. That's what I've got.

> Dina

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

None taken. I don't think AA or AADeprogramming can

claim the credit for my not being dead. After all I

was alive before I ran into either one of them. I am

upset with AA because when I first started I was 22

years old, a debutante pothead whose love of the herb

led me to some very dangerous places. Once in AA I

was introduced to some very pathological people, who

were " healthy " because they were " sober alcoholics "

" went to a lot of meetings and didn't drink " . I was

told over and over that my best thinking got me there

and just keep it simple stupid etc. I learned new

christian prayers, which is cool, but i felt some

abivilance about saying them, I am not christian. I

thought AA was not religious. But i was too weak and

self hating to assert my individuality. Now, I am

not. So it may be that I am going overboard in the

other direction. i don't want to apologize for daring

to say thay my experience in AA has been traumatizing.

I don't think I am saying that only because it sounds

neat o to me. I wouldnt claim to be something I'm

not. Unlike how I used to be. AA isn't all bad or all

good. What irks me is being told that unless I think

it is 100% wonderful I am sick.

I would love to be in a room full of the people in

this email group. We can be real here without fear of

condemnation.

Who gets the credit?

I don't know.

Dina

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

AA is absolutely dangerous and damaging. I wouldn't be here on this

list if I hadn't been damaged by AA and felt a need to expunge my

soul of the trash that AA put there. You should never apologize for

saying AA traumatized you. But I repeat - WHY do you still go?!? I

hope you'll leave soon before this confusion and the continued

exposure to AA bullshit and the sickies who spout it kill your desire

to resist.

Nic

> None taken. I don't think AA or AADeprogramming can

> claim the credit for my not being dead. After all I

> was alive before I ran into either one of them. I am

> upset with AA because when I first started I was 22

> years old, a debutante pothead whose love of the herb

> led me to some very dangerous places. Once in AA I

> was introduced to some very pathological people, who

> were " healthy " because they were " sober alcoholics "

> " went to a lot of meetings and didn't drink " . I was

> told over and over that my best thinking got me there

> and just keep it simple stupid etc. I learned new

> christian prayers, which is cool, but i felt some

> abivilance about saying them, I am not christian. I

> thought AA was not religious. But i was too weak and

> self hating to assert my individuality. Now, I am

> not. So it may be that I am going overboard in the

> other direction. i don't want to apologize for daring

> to say thay my experience in AA has been traumatizing.

> I don't think I am saying that only because it sounds

> neat o to me. I wouldnt claim to be something I'm

> not. Unlike how I used to be. AA isn't all bad or all

> good. What irks me is being told that unless I think

> it is 100% wonderful I am sick.

> I would love to be in a room full of the people in

> this email group. We can be real here without fear of

> condemnation.

> Who gets the credit?

> I don't know.

> Dina

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I am ignorant and I don't know who Mata Hari is. I

enjoy hearing from people who have issues with AA. I

hope that I don't have to be like minded in every way

with any particular mindset in order to continue to

come here.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I don't think that people here are so concerned with having you be like

minded, as they are for your own welfare. It's like people get tired of

continually giving rescue and encouragement to abused women who continue to

go back to the abuser and get beat up again!

Charlene

- Re: Re: A & E Program

I am ignorant and I don't know who Mata Hari is. I

enjoy hearing from people who have issues with AA. I

hope that I don't have to be like minded in every way

with any particular mindset in order to continue to

come here.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

LOL. Cut it out you two are cracking me up.

Are we going to see a Newmar (Cat Lady) bomb page ?

" The To Wong Foo, Thanks For Everything! Newmar Bomb Page "

A & E Program

>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:13:10 -0700

>

>What an awful program. If I weren't a lady (hi, ) I would

swear.

>Didn't live up to its ads -- apparently used Gilliam and Peele

(especially

>Peele!) to make points that Gilliam and Peele wouldn't have agreed

with.

>

>I agree with those who want to barf, take a shower. Plus I want to

change

>my sheets, paint my house, and more.

>

>There is no word strong enough to express how bad I feel about this.

[Guest guest]

They cut to one guy several times puffing away. Well One puff I

believe and another one or two with a cig in hand. The way he was

holding it you could tell he really knew what he was doing with it.

It was one of those Wayne type hold half way between the index

and middle finger. My experience has been that the people who hold

them like that are like two or more packs per day smokers. Or maybe

I'm just imagining it all as I take another puff.

What I thought was consipicously absent were the down and out drunks

hard on their luck. You know the type of people AA was made for.

You'ld think you'ld see at least one in the broadcast. Instead what

you saw is what appeared to be people who had their lives together as

if that's all there is in AA. When the lady said the worse off

people are when they come to AA the more support they get. Utter and

complete hogwash that. That type is routinely ignored during

meetings. When one of them publicly asks for a sponsor you see so

many eyes quickly adverting them you can almost feel the whiplash the

AA's inflicted upon themselves in their haste to avoid eye contact.

Re: A & E Program

>And the dude from the NIH?? Please he looks embalmed himself. I

can't.

Thats

>all that I can say. I just can't. Its like someone let AA into my

livingroom.

>Hearing those chants and steps being read with the english accent

will

surley

>give me nightmares. And where were the dirtbags??? even in shadow

you could

>see only well dressed fine upstanding citizens, They flashed once to

some

>scruffy person on the street that could have been me for godssake,

or

anyone

>else for that matter. Where was the busloads of mental patients that

they

bus

>in against there will from the halfway houses? Where were the

jailhouse

>meetings being forced on inmates? Where was the lady who would bring

her 5

>screaming kids who would eat all the cookies and take all the milk

for the

>coffee to fill there sippy cups? Where was the real meeting???

>

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