Re: chelation destructive of synaptic brain structures

[Guest guest]

,

may be, you are right, but improvements in children from chelation

show that at least their brains are able to recover those structures

again.

Margaret

> synapses are a branches and trunk strucutre, mercury can plug into

> the tubulin and scythe the trunk

>

> synaptic structures are unlike anything else in the body, they are

> memory and unlike other organs they do not recover except for very

> young children......

>

> minerals transport enhancement which avoids this problem takes a

lot

> of finese and notions of window doses(not to much as well as not to

> little)

>

> i know it works cause i have seen the improvements with heavily

> toxic adults with amalgams in

> one of the reservations i have about chelation is seeing chelated

> adults on the net and feeling that they have lost something

compared

> to mercury toxic adults(this is an objective comment and not

critical

> in any way)

>

> heavy metal free chorella can absorb metals in the gut and prevent

> them being recycled......

>

> i think its important when on messages boards to continue to

develop

> understanding and let the burden of working some things out rest

with

> the parents and not be to prescriptive in posts. advancing

> understanding and not being bound up in remedying an impossible to

> remedy world,,,,,,,,

>

>

>

>

>

> > know whether glutathione, NAC or chlorella are chelating agents

or

> > > > and think minerals for metals transport enhancement,

> >

> > Such as? I have seen lots of hair tests over periods of 10 years

> > where mineral transport did not improve despite taking tons of

> > minerals.

> >

> > > non-selenite selenium,

> >

> > Good, if you are going to use selenium, which is quite helpful,

do

> > make sure it is not in the selenite form.

> >

> > > zinc, magensium

> > > molybdenum, boron etc is a better way to go

> > >

> > > the remobilised mercury on the way out is very distructive of

> brain

> > > synaptic structures.

> >

> > I would actually be interested in the details of why you say this

> > Osip. If you'd like to provide them please use a relevant

subject

> > line.

> >> > the problem with chelation is i think people view it as a

> > > shortcut..... but you have to do the ground work for a broad

> based

> > > supplement regieme for it anyway....... and imo metals

tranposrt

> > > enhancement offers feasible heavy metals reduction.

> >

> > Not for the brain, which is the important organ. And for the

> people

> > who get impaired mineral transport it doesn't appear to work at

> all.

> > It is simply palliative.

> > >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions o

[Guest guest]

> --

> Can you recommend a heavy metal-free chlorella supplement?

> My son was doing quite well when I was supplementing chlorella

> and doing some other things as well.

--- E-Lyte chlorella is grown oranically in pure water under glass.

Because it is so pure, it is very expensive.

It can be bought from www.e-lyte.com or Emerson Ecologics.

Even if it is heavy-metal free, chlorella can pose problems for some

people. It is a sulphur-rich supplement, so be sure your kids can

tolerate that. Also, some people seem to develop allergic responses

to chlorella, so keep a close eye on that.

[Guest guest]

--

Can you recommend a heavy metal-free chlorella supplement?

My son was doing quite well when I was supplementing chlorella

and doing some other things as well. I am trying to determine what

was helping (or what combination of things). He has not been progressing

as much on DMSA/ALA...although ALA alone seemed to help. Do you

concider ALA chelation or a " supplement " ? I believe lead poisoning caused

his regression.

Thanks!

[ ] chelation destructive of synaptic brain structures

synapses are a branches and trunk strucutre, mercury can plug into

the tubulin and scythe the trunk

synaptic structures are unlike anything else in the body, they are

memory and unlike other organs they do not recover except for very

young children......

minerals transport enhancement which avoids this problem takes a lot

of finese and notions of window doses(not to much as well as not to

little)

i know it works cause i have seen the improvements with heavily

toxic adults with amalgams in

one of the reservations i have about chelation is seeing chelated

adults on the net and feeling that they have lost something compared

to mercury toxic adults(this is an objective comment and not critical

in any way)

heavy metal free chorella can absorb metals in the gut and prevent

them being recycled......

i think its important when on messages boards to continue to develop

understanding and let the burden of working some things out rest with

the parents and not be to prescriptive in posts. advancing

understanding and not being bound up in remedying an impossible to

remedy world,,,,,,,,

> know whether glutathione, NAC or chlorella are chelating agents or

> > > and think minerals for metals transport enhancement,

>

> Such as? I have seen lots of hair tests over periods of 10 years

> where mineral transport did not improve despite taking tons of

> minerals.

>

> > non-selenite selenium,

>

> Good, if you are going to use selenium, which is quite helpful, do

> make sure it is not in the selenite form.

>

> > zinc, magensium

> > molybdenum, boron etc is a better way to go

> >

> > the remobilised mercury on the way out is very distructive of

brain

> > synaptic structures.

>

> I would actually be interested in the details of why you say this

> Osip. If you'd like to provide them please use a relevant subject

> line.

>> > the problem with chelation is i think people view it as a

> > shortcut..... but you have to do the ground work for a broad

based

> > supplement regieme for it anyway....... and imo metals tranposrt

> > enhancement offers feasible heavy metals reduction.

>

> Not for the brain, which is the important organ. And for the

people

> who get impaired mineral transport it doesn't appear to work at

all.

> It is simply palliative.

> >

> >

>

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions o

[Guest guest]

What do you mean by " they have lost something compared to mercury

toxic adults " ? Our family is new to this and we are trying to get as

great an understanding as possible as quickly as possible and need to

rely on others past experiences.

Thanks,

TB

> i know it works cause i have seen the improvements with heavily

> toxic adults with amalgams in

> one of the reservations i have about chelation is seeing chelated

> adults on the net and feeling that they have lost something

compared

> to mercury toxic adults(this is an objective comment and not

critical

> in any way)

[Guest guest]

Anyone know of Docs using banked stem cells to help with synapse re-growth?

I'm hopeful that we might be able to use our son's.

JMC

In a message dated 3/15/2003 6:02:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,

imginzburg@... writes:

> ,

> may be, you are right, but improvements in children from chelation

> show that at least their brains are able to recover those structures

> again.

> Margaret

>

[Guest guest]

> synapses are a branches and trunk strucutre, mercury can plug into

> the tubulin and scythe the trunk

an interesting idea.

Any evidence that this idea is so?

Anything that lead you to adopt this idea? Did you read a study

that says so, someone's opinion, come up with it on your own?

> synaptic structures are unlike anything else in the body, they are

> memory and unlike other organs they do not recover except for very

> young children......

actually there has been a little flood of recent evidence and/or

speculation to the contrary, that brain structures grow at later

ages. I actually have not read most of the articles, but have

been aware of them in the news etc.

>

> minerals transport enhancement which avoids this problem takes a lot

> of finese and notions of window doses(not to much as well as not to

> little)

>

> i know it works cause i have seen the improvements with heavily

> toxic adults with amalgams in

for how long has it worked? I ask because I have the idea that it

can be time limited.

> one of the reservations i have about chelation is seeing chelated

> adults on the net and feeling that they have lost something compared

> to mercury toxic adults(this is an objective comment and not critical

> in any way)

well, that is an interesting idea, but actually may not be relevant.

It depends on the people you happened to observe (as well as the

correctness of your observations, obviously). Comparing one set

of people to another is fairly unpredictable. Maybe the people who

chelated GAINED in the very qualities you are " observing " , but you

are comparing to other people. It is like if I compared a bunch

of detoxed ASD kids to a bunch of not-detoxed ASD kids. Which group

would be " better " ? It depends on the kids I picked. If the detoxed

group includes lots of kids who were very low functioning before,

then even if detox helped them IMMENSELY, the comparison may come

out that the non-detoxed group is " better " . I'd be happy to

pick a few kids out of LOVE_LETTERS to use as examples-- kids

who benefitted a LOT from chelation but do not look NT.

The more relevant comparison is individuals compared to themselves.

This is how research is done, for example. Compare each individual

to themselves over some course of treatment or whatever, then

compare the changes or scores for all the individuals in groups.

It would also be much more interesting to know if the people

THEMSELVES felt " they had lost something " compared to when toxic.

At least from my POV, this is much more important than whether

you thought so.

These are other points that might also be considered.

> i think its important when on messages boards to continue to develop

> understanding and let the burden of working some things out rest with

> the parents

Fortunately, everyone has choice about what to do, and even

which advice to listen to or consider.

and not be to prescriptive in posts. advancing

> understanding and not being bound up in remedying an impossible to

> remedy world,,,,,,,,

The big distinction to make is what is really possible and what

is impossible. Many things are possible to rememdy, even if,

taken as a whole, all at once, the world is not. False hope

is no more of a curse than false hopelessness. Reasonable

people disagree wildly as to what is possible and what is

likely, in many realms of life. This list is concerned

with astism and mercury poisoning mostly. We can reasonably

talk about whether these can be remedied, and to what degree,

without trying to remedy the entire world. A lot of the

people on this list have various kinds of evidence and

experience with trying to rememdy autism and/or mercury

poisoning, so there is lots to discuss.

Moria

[Guest guest]

if u look at the university of calgary video it pretty well explains

it. i think the point is that with the brain you have a problem quite

different from any other organ strucutre in the body its memory is

experience and not genetic. a damaged heart ect recovers according

to it gentic imprint, brain processes amy recover but not the actual

synapse pattern,

yeah with adults there is some regrowth but not the proliferation of

very young children

the point about metals transport enhancement is the toleration to

ongoing mercury toxicty....... that is remedy on the fly so to speak

which augurs well for beinbg gentle on this synpase strucutre neuron

pruning problem.......

but as you say the declining slope of mercuy catches up and amalgam

removal is best done as soon as possible which seems to always be a

lot later than it should be but at least the supplements are in place

to smootht the mercury dump occuring in removal and speeding the

elimination form the body afterwards........and hopefully a non

regressive elimination from the brain.......

i stand by my observation of chelated adults and children, i think

there is reduction of overt toxicty but loss of devlopmental progress,

of course the new progress can rapdidly make up for the loss of the

old......

life is process......things change, viewpoints of ten years ago look

immature and we rise and fall with the seas billows until age or

illness makes us too rigid to adapt and we slowly start to sink......

> > synapses are a branches and trunk strucutre, mercury can plug

into

> > the tubulin and scythe the trunk

>

> an interesting idea.

> Any evidence that this idea is so?

> Anything that lead you to adopt this idea? Did you read a study

> that says so, someone's opinion, come up with it on your own?

>

> > synaptic structures are unlike anything else in the body, they

are

> > memory and unlike other organs they do not recover except for

very

> > young children......

>

> actually there has been a little flood of recent evidence and/or

> speculation to the contrary, that brain structures grow at later

> ages. I actually have not read most of the articles, but have

> been aware of them in the news etc.

>

> >

> > minerals transport enhancement which avoids this problem takes a

lot

> > of finese and notions of window doses(not to much as well as not

to

> > little)

> >

> > i know it works cause i have seen the improvements with heavily

> > toxic adults with amalgams in

>

> for how long has it worked? I ask because I have the idea that it

> can be time limited.

>

>

> > one of the reservations i have about chelation is seeing chelated

> > adults on the net and feeling that they have lost something

compared

> > to mercury toxic adults(this is an objective comment and not

critical

> > in any way)

>

> well, that is an interesting idea, but actually may not be relevant.

> It depends on the people you happened to observe (as well as the

> correctness of your observations, obviously). Comparing one set

> of people to another is fairly unpredictable. Maybe the people who

> chelated GAINED in the very qualities you are " observing " , but you

> are comparing to other people. It is like if I compared a bunch

> of detoxed ASD kids to a bunch of not-detoxed ASD kids. Which group

> would be " better " ? It depends on the kids I picked. If the detoxed

> group includes lots of kids who were very low functioning before,

> then even if detox helped them IMMENSELY, the comparison may come

> out that the non-detoxed group is " better " . I'd be happy to

> pick a few kids out of LOVE_LETTERS to use as examples-- kids

> who benefitted a LOT from chelation but do not look NT.

>

> The more relevant comparison is individuals compared to themselves.

> This is how research is done, for example. Compare each individual

> to themselves over some course of treatment or whatever, then

> compare the changes or scores for all the individuals in groups.

>

> It would also be much more interesting to know if the people

> THEMSELVES felt " they had lost something " compared to when toxic.

> At least from my POV, this is much more important than whether

> you thought so.

>

> These are other points that might also be considered.

>

>

> > i think its important when on messages boards to continue to

develop

> > understanding and let the burden of working some things out rest

with

> > the parents

>

> Fortunately, everyone has choice about what to do, and even

> which advice to listen to or consider.

>

>

> and not be to prescriptive in posts. advancing

> > understanding and not being bound up in remedying an impossible

to

> > remedy world,,,,,,,,

>

>

> The big distinction to make is what is really possible and what

> is impossible. Many things are possible to rememdy, even if,

> taken as a whole, all at once, the world is not. False hope

> is no more of a curse than false hopelessness. Reasonable

> people disagree wildly as to what is possible and what is

> likely, in many realms of life. This list is concerned

> with astism and mercury poisoning mostly. We can reasonably

> talk about whether these can be remedied, and to what degree,

> without trying to remedy the entire world. A lot of the

> people on this list have various kinds of evidence and

> experience with trying to rememdy autism and/or mercury

> poisoning, so there is lots to discuss.

>

> Moria