Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 In a message dated 9/27/02 7:01:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, slickrick605@... writes: > yea, > i read his story in the magazine article, i understand he's been on tv > also, like a spokesperson, i need more that 1 skinny guys word, besides it > dont even look like the same guy, thanks for your input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2002 Report Share Posted September 27, 2002 http://www.primal-defense.net/ Go to the above website, then go to the bottom right where the picture is, and move the mouse over it. They claim that it only took 4 months, I wonder if they sell swamp land too. > i've been reading about this stuff called " primal defence " it supposed to > work miricles. > im trying to get ssome feedback on it before i waste, if anybody has an info. > on it id appreciate it, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 I encourage you to search the archives of this list. Many here have been helped by this probiotic. But it is not a miracle overnight cure. I know Jordan personally, and it took him years to get his health completely back, not 4 months. You can see the pictures here: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/primaldefense.htm of how he looked after a year and some months, and then almost 6 years later. It is normal for any supplement that kills yeast to have some detox effects. One needs to stick with the protocol for at least 90 days or more sometimes before good results are seen. Shilhavy Tropical Traditions http://www.coconut-info.com http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/peace.htm > In a message dated 9/27/02 7:01:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > slickrick605@y... writes: > > > > yea, > > i read his story in the magazine article, i understand he's been on tv > > also, like a spokesperson, i need more that 1 skinny guys word, besides it > > dont even look like the same guy, thanks for your input > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 <PRE>it take 90 day's? i understand about die-off ...but 90 day's? i e-mailed primal defense to find out if it is guarenteed, if its not i'll move on, and try something that is. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2002 Report Share Posted September 28, 2002 If this is true, give me a 90 day supply and test it on me. > > In a message dated 9/27/02 7:01:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > slickrick605@y... writes: > > > > > > > yea, > > > i read his story in the magazine article, i understand he's been > on tv > > > also, like a spokesperson, i need more that 1 skinny guys word, > besides it > > > dont even look like the same guy, thanks for your input > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 In a message dated 1/5/2003 3:46:09 PM Central Standard Time, dolphi@... writes: > >I am curious about a product called primal defence. It appears to me to > contain probiotics as well as the medium they were grown in. It also contains chlorella which could be a concern for mercury toxic people. My son did horribly on primal defense; the longer he wa son it, the worse he got. After six weeks I wised up and realized this was not die-off I was seeing. Took him another six weeks to get back to normal. However, I've also heard good reports from people on it. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 Hi, I am curious about a product called primal defence. It appears to me to contain probiotics as well as the medium they were grown in. The sales description sounds good to me, but I am worried about giving something (the medium they are cultured in), which might have unpredictable effects. Has anybody used this product or is able to comment on it? I would also be interested to have other good probiotics recommended to me. Thank you for any advice you are able to give. Dagmar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 >I am curious about a product called primal defence. It appears to me to contain probiotics as well as the medium they were grown in. It also contains Iron, which is very controversial and can be very detrimental in the human body, as many folks already are heavily burdened with iron. You also might want to verify the value of the specific bacteria it contains as many companies load lots of different bacteria (many of which have absolutely no value in the human body) into a product to make it sound good to the uninformed and may, like you say, contain other untested things. >The sales description sounds good to me, but I am worried about giving something (the medium they are cultured in), which might have unpredictable effects. Your concerns are valid. Remember SALES descriptions are to promote sales and don't validate the benefit of the product's results, nor the actual results of the testing on the product. I wouldn't put much faith in " sales hype " . Before consuming such a product or giving it to a precious child or adult, I'd ask to see the actual test results from a reputable independent laboratory, and talk to a well trained and qualified person, not just to a customer service representative who frequently has NO legitimate background, but are highly trained to sooth customers. >Has anybody used this product or is able to comment on it? I've known many who've tried it, but I don't recommend it nor would I personally take it. I do recall some specific problems with it related to vision and pupil changes...check the archive for verification. >I would also be interested to have other good probiotics recommended to me. I've had exceptional success with my patients for the past 12 years with a product made by Natren, called the Healthy Trinity. There are several other products mentioned on this board with good results. Dolphi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: " Duncan Crow " > > Do you think Primal Defense probiotic is too strong > > for a 5 year old child? > > Thank you, > > > > , > > Primal Defense contains soil-based organisms that are not proven to > be benefical, and a peer-reviewed article in Gastroentereolgy Journal > questions the wisdom of giving people that kind of therapy, even in > adults. > > I don't think it is well-advised; if you must use something, use > probiotics that contain only bacteria that are native to the human > bowel; Bifidobacteria, two types of a couple of strains, and the same > for lactobacilli. > > Bifidobacteria dominance is correct especially for young children; > Primal Defense doesn't contain any anyhow. > > But it's much better to simply feed the bowel bacteria to bring up > the numbers of bifidobacteria and lactobacilli; there's only enough > probiotic in a capsule to seed a gram of stool. The bacteria must be > active to outcompete on the bowel lining. > > Here's the science of which probiotic bacteria use which prebiotic. > http://tinyurl.com/2m29z > > regards, > > Duncan Crow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hey, thanks for all the caution on PD y'all. I will just keep it natural from food for MN, especially with youngins. I had read the Lancet piece before and forgotten. I am generally very anti-supplement anyway. I had bought it and never used it, and thought I'd try it, but best to err on the side of caution. And the antibiotics are the first ds has ever taken ... he'll be fine with a variety of food options. Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 As long as we're talking about probiotics supplements I'd like to mention that they do have a place; When one is traveling in a foreign country, for example, a good probiotics can be indispensable to help ward off potential bad critters in food. I lived in a small village in Mexico and ate a packet of VSL3 about 10 minutes before meals. Maybe it was just luck but I never experienced the gastrointestinal complaints that other folks endured. Probiotics are supposed to be kept chilled but they can survive for at least a few days at room temperature I am told. ~Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Probiotics are supposed to have a much better chance of surviving human digestion if they are ingested along with the substrate they were grown on. As far as Primal Defense is concerned, the caplets contain the bacteria AND the fermented substrate which the bacteria were grown on. I would also add that there are hundreds, possibly thousands of strains of B. lichenformis. All that can be siad right now is that one strain has been tested to have questionable helpfulness. Similar statements can be made about E. coli. Most strains of E. coli are harmless but at least one strain can survive to cause problems in an acidic environment partly due to feeding practices in the massive beef feedlot cities. Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 >I lived in a small village in Mexico and ate a packet of VSL3 about 10 >minutes before meals. Maybe it was just luck but I never experienced the >gastrointestinal complaints that other folks endured. Probiotics are >supposed to be kept chilled but they can survive for at least a few days at >room temperature I am told. > >~Robin I for one TOTALLY believe in probiotics. I spent $100 a month on them at one point, and they really helped my kids and me. I switched to kefir and kefir beer eventually because they worked better and were cheaper (and if you can travel with kefir beer, it works wonderfully). The advantage of pills is portability, and you can (now) buy them in most cities. Someday maybe you'll be able to buy kefir grains in your local grocery! Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 In a message dated 18/08/2006 13:01:49 GMT Daylight Time, dava93@... writes: Hi is anyone using primal defence (probiotic) and are they having much sucess with it. >>>Works well for us , we use in in addition to other stuff, I throw some in when I rember but Sam does not like the taste even when he is asleep as I found out last nigth when I tried a whole scoop, half a scoop he is fine with. PD was actually the first ever probiotic we used per Autism File but we switched to Biokult when they said they woudn't do caps anymore then they changed their minds You should start this stuff slow and work up or you can have a nasty die off. Makes the poops darker too Mandi PS Good news about the clear out - well done on the words! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi is anyone using primal defence (probiotic) and are they having much sucess with it. thanks dave From: Mum231ASD@...Reply-Autism Treatment To: Autism Treatment Subject: Re: If you think UK services are bad for ASD kids....Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:57:50 EDT In a message dated 18/08/2006 09:53:17 GMT Daylight Time, moppett1btinternet writes: I don't know how many other autism lists you frequent, but I would try and find other Irish members who are experiencing similar diffculties and band together and make waves. I seem to remember there was a woman in the Republic who was very active in seeking more support from the Irish government..don't remember the name unfortunately. Kathy Sinott? Somethig like that - she is an MEP I found this may have contact info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Sinnott She has a child with autism too - very spunky lady Mandi x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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